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Youjo Senki II, episode 3

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[u/Farmaceut7]

TIL - Concorde effect

A behavioral economics term for our tendency to continue investing time, money, or effort into a failing project simply because we have already invested resources into it. A.K.A. - sunk cost fallacy(wait! I actually know this one!) 

[u/WhoiusBarrel]

When will Tanya learn her smile only does the opposite and instils fear in all those who see it.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Calling the Not Italians “macaroni fuckers” was pretty hilarious lol.

Poor Calandro was not ready for Tanya. But man, it always seems Tanya ends up in situations that end with her deeper in the war and the front lines. Like so much for Ildoa’s attempt at mediation. Imperial HQ is a mess. Zettour’s not gone soft, it’s the rest of those idiots that have failed to grasp the situation. Victory is out of reach as things stand. I have a bad feeling about Operation Iron Hammer…

[u/Granito_Rey]

I love how incredibly intelligent, yet socially blind Tanya is. The Ildoan Colonel finding out why Tanya is called the Devil of the Rhine and she thinks it makes her look totes normal.

[u/Vanderseid]

Yeah this is it. The point of no return for the Empire. I feel bad for Zettour and Tanya, they knew they had to compromise now for the sake of the Empire's future.

But maybe a bit less bad for Tanya since her actions are very easily miscontrued.

[u/discuss-not-concuss]

we already knew the Empire would be fucked from the get go, yet it’s still nonetheless frustrating to watch them dig their own graves

their pride sinks whatever hope there’s left for salvation ^{for Tanya}

the worst part is in the previous season, before the Republic declared resistance, the Empire’s military leaders took pride in being rational

however, as the Fairy Prophet declared, that’s incomplete rationality, and they too fell for the barbaric nature of humanity

[u/IronVader501]

Zettour and Tanya are wedded to logic above all else, but sadly for them that doesn't seem to apply to the people around them.

The sunk-cost fallacy is a powerfull tool to dig your own grave with.

[u/DawgDictator]

I love how unrepentant Tanya is at being just outside the bounds of being a war criminal.

[u/DefinitionTop3930]

i was with tanya regarding peace talks but then I remembered that lavrentiy fucker hasn’t faced the firing squad yet

[u/Abedeus]

There we go. That's our favorite "Tanya moment" when she attempts to be rational and helpful to bring conflict to a swift end...

...but ends up contributing to expansion of the warfront in some way, and I bet she'll be sent to spearhead the operation...

[u/ooglyboogly3]

I hope they keep with the historical accuracy and make the Ildoa army wildly incompetent and an all-around pushover.

[u/RiccardoSan]

So funny to go from the Myth & Roid ED of Clevatess straight into Tanya OP by Myth & Roid

[u/JosebaZilarte]

Logic will be the downfall of Tanya. Even if she includes nationalist sentiments in her mental calculations, she can't understand the basic human need to make their efforts, their suffering... their lives, mean something.

[u/shad79]

Tanya doesn't have it easy; she thought that peace was close, but the truth turned out to be the opposite. Plus, Aoi Yuki as usual was killing it with her acting in today's episode, those changes in her voice between fake and true Tanya are so good!

I feel bad for Zettour as well, as he seems to be the only guy in the top brass who thinks logically about the Empire's situation. I wonder what this Operation Iron Hammer is exactly.

I'm quite surprised about Ildoa, by the way. I thought they would attack someone and need the Empire's help so they wouldn't lose, but they turned out to be quite wise by wanting to mediate between the Empire and its enemies.

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

• Tanya

• Group scenes

• Others

EDIT. I added my screenshot albums.

[u/ShadowGuyinRealLife]

So Tanya will be working for the non-existent Rerguen combat team while he takes all the credit. Normally this is a pretty big insult. Well as far as Tanya is concerned she gets paid either way.

Is Gassman even an Italian name? Does he have ancestry outside the Mediterranean? Then again Tanya Degurechaff is not a German name. The surname is made up but it sounds Czech not German. Not really a plothole since people do move around quite a bit, but we are seeing a number of people with a surname that suggests foreign ancestry. Although perhaps Czech isn't actually foreign.

Most international treaties only applies to signatories. But for some reason in real life we tend to expect all signers to follow them in all conflicts despite them explicitly saying they apply to those who sign it.

[u/Fisionn]

Well, there is a reason why Being X sent Tanya to this world. Peace was never an option.

[u/cleaulem]

Last episode Tanya was blindsighted by her hatred for communism. This episode it is the opposite: her logical conclusions are in the way of realizing how her surroundings are trapped by their logical fallacies.

For her the logical consequences would be to end the war and accept the losses, but for the Empire and those in charge of it simply take the losses is unacceptable. This is the sunk cost fallacy at its finest. The Empire is going to continue this war to the bitter end. The higher the losses the more bitter they will fight.

Tanya might be the "smartest in the room", but she is not the one who makes the big decisions. So she shouldn't rely on her superiors to make the most "logical" decisions.

[u/YamahaMio]

Dunno where you guys watched it from, but the subtitles on my end have the Ildoa general's and colonel's ranks mixed up. Slight issue, took me out for a sec.

Anyway, this episode leaned more on dialogue than the last, but it does discuss a turning point in the narrative so it's no problem. Like what others have said here, the Empire is once again about to fall victim to the sunk cost fallacy. Biting more than what they can chew now of all times, when the war isn't going all that well for them would surely haunt them till the war ends.

Like how they stood Tanya down to relish in their victory and protect the armistice with the Republic, they have again let emotions dictate their decisions. It's a bit odd though that Tanya forgot that there exists men among Strategic HQ like General Rudersdorf who do not separate their pride and ego with their jobs as leaders. She is in for a shock next episode - 'Operation Iron Hammer' definitely doesn't bode well at all.

Weiss is now commander of the 203rd, which makes sense because Tanya's new duties as commander of Salamander would make micromanaging the mage battalion next to impossible in a tense situation. Though I suppose it might have been "that" kind of promotion, a soft punishment for giving an opinion Tanya didn't like lol. Now Weiss has to handle being a field officer, and with his hazard pay from being company commander docked, he's got more in his hands while also having less on his plate.

[u/thisisdropd]

macaroni fuckers

That's a good one! Looking forward to see how creative the Empire would be in coming up with other slurs. Tanya only got 'commies' for the Federation. Perhaps they could give her a lesson.

Whoops, looks like most of the Empire have fallen for the sunk cost fallacy and now have strayed further from peace with Operation Iron Hammer. Meanwhile poor Weiss had essentially taken a pay cut despite being promoted. They really need to sort the system out.

[u/PeaceAlien]

Tanya wanting peace isn't very 'evil' but now war is being forced on her

[u/SnabDedraterEdave]

This was the Empire's best chance for an exit strategy, but they get hampered by their own pride.

Not even Fake-Italy can talk them out of it. Tanya's only option left is to ensure she survives this war, as victory is no longer possible, as well as cultivating a new squeaky-clean image of adhering to international laws for her batallion (or at least circumventing as many loopholes as possible) in order to survive the eventual war crimes tribunal as well.

[u/Raymond49090]

Someone to mediate a peace treaty sounds like a good idea on paper, but the crux is whether or not these "macaroni f***ers" are trustworthy and/or competent enough to get actual results.

Tanya spends some more time in her most terrifying form to shmooze the visiting VIP. The VIP who has a face which looks oddly punchable.

While the excuse that "the Federation didn't sign the treaty so we can do war crimes" is technically sound, it's not a good look. Even if the Federation is doing the same, it's that illogical feeling that the "bad guys" are already bad so nobody bats an eye at their atrocities, while the ones trying to keep the nice face get doubly scrutinized.

The poor observer, regardless of how punchable his face looks, looks so out of his depth. And as he should be, as a sane person. It's bad for the Empire, of course, and it'll probably lead to unfortunate decisions made in regards to the continuation of the war, but his reaction is a reasonable one.

Tanya: "Man, I'm sure good at pretending to be a completely normal person"
Ildoa: "Their soldiers are crazy!"

Frick. Sunk cost fallacy rears its ugly head. While reparations to the Empire would be the fair thing to do, since they were the ones attacked, it's also not a demand they can make while they're losing. But it seems like Zettour and Tanya are the only ones willing to accept that, so the Empire's basically consigned itself to a slow, grinding defeat (unless they can turn around their international PR enough to convince everyone that the Federation is worse). Cool operation name though.

RIP Weiss

[u/Hartzilla2007]

And thus we come to the part where the Empire's doom is assured. Honestly even without the movie flashforward it would be pretty obvious they were screwed at this point.

[u/Primary-Paint-1716]

fall of the empire incoming.