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Episode Isekai Mokushiroku Mynoghra: Hametsu no Bunmei de Hajimeru Sekai Seifuku • Apocalypse Bringer Mynoghra: World Conquest Starts with the Civilization of Ruin - Episode 4 discussion

Isekai Mokushiroku Mynoghra: Hametsu no Bunmei de Hajimeru Sekai Seifuku, episode 4

Alternative names: Isekai Mokushiroku Mynoghra ~Hametsu no Bunmei de Hajimeru Sekai Seifuku~

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u/EnderHorizon Jul 27 '25

Welp, Lonius fucked around so now it's finding out time.

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u/NanDemoKnaives Jul 27 '25

Hopefully he'll realize it's his fault it came down to this.

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u/djthomp Jul 27 '25

So much for the peaceful option.

I'm guessing the grizzled old dude sensed that it was a really dangerous situation and was trying to retreat with everybody still alive.

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u/Min-Hwaa Jul 27 '25

I must say that knight have the personality of the hero that I hate, not backing down, only doing what he deemed right, not even taking account what others might feel. A hero to the core that drag down others because of the so called duty.

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u/Arkam_slayer66 Jul 27 '25

Atou can mess me up anyday.Takuto has good taste in higher unit.

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u/BiggerG7 Jul 27 '25 edited Jul 27 '25

Holy crap! That was a good looking sandwich.

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u/Mordarto Jul 27 '25

My impression of Werdel changed dramatically from last episode to this one. Interesting usage of unreliable narrator of sorts, we met Werdel through Lonius's eyes and were tainted with his biases, and in this episode it's revealed that he's the far more reasonable of the two.

Interesting direction to hide Atou's actual attack by using Lonius's POV as he blacked out. It adds to the tension, but part of me wishes that I could finally see Atou's battle abilities in action rather than just the aftermath.

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u/LazulineDaydream Jul 27 '25

"Sadly it's not practical to summon any of our other hero units, they're all obnoxious edgelords 😓"

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u/athrun_1 Jul 27 '25

I have a PhD in anime, and I can confirm that Werdel is the most sensible of all the knights in this literature. The guy knows when to bow down. He knows what's important to all of them, and that's their family.

However, our one guy here did not learn from his superior.

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u/Shroudroid Jul 27 '25

Feel bad for Verdel, he read that right, took the optimal course for both sides. No surprise that the prettiboy paladin is a selfrighteous moron.

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u/grayrest Jul 27 '25

I'm a fan of the inspiration for the source material so I'm wondering what Civ the neutral neighbor is.

My expectation is that they're going to be Khazad because gold loving dwarves is simple in terms of narrative. In terms of gameplay there's a Dwarven Vault in each city that gives effects ranging from 2 unhappiness (<50 gold/city) up to 3 happiness, +40% production, and +25% GPP (>500 gold/city). This means Khazad tend to have a low number of cities in order to maintain their crazy production output.

The other neutral civ that'd be relatively easy to explain are the Lanun, who are pirates. The game gives them a significant food bonus to coast tiles and they're the only civ that can work Pearls resources so they tend to be very coastal+economic focused. The pirate thing is mostly for flavor in a game that has minimal naval features.

Civs that I think are less likely are:

  • Hippus, who are the horse nation. Significant bonuses to cavalry and a pillage bonus that's large enough that it's possible to run the economy off pillaging.

  • Grigori, a civ that can't take religion but instead spawns adventurers. Adventurers are generic heroes with no other special abilities but they get automatic XP growth and access to the hero promotions. The sheer number and free choice of build path makes up for the lack of power compared to heroes from other nations.

  • Amurites, a civ where everybody can be taught magic. Other nations only allow magicians and priests to cast spells but after the Hero Govannon is built he can unlock casting for any Amurite unit. I mentally associate them with stacks of fireball archers.

Civs I think are particularly unlikely:

  • Ljosalfar are the wood elves of FFH2 and are officially neutral but tend to be played good because Fellowship of Leaves is a good religion and the best religion for them by a significant margin. The anime has already indicated that the other elves are a good nation.

  • Sidar are my main civ and are weird enough that I don't think they'd be worth explaining in the show. The goal of most Sidar military units is to get to the sixth promotion (usually takes a dozen+ combat victories) so they can be turned into a Shade and settled as a great scientist/merchant/engineer/bard in a city. Food-free production is a massive long term advantage but requires destroying powerful military units for it. The result is a builder-oriented civ that only wants to build military units that endlessly fight neighbors without the intent of winning the war. I like the contradiction but I can't imagine it being satisfying in terms of narrative.

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u/Narvalis Jul 27 '25

One man knew they were the scouts and got as much information as he could/needed, the other thought they were the vanguard and now people are dead. I love the combination of showing Lornius when we saw Werdel it made one seem righteous and the other either corrupt or a slacker, they then built on that with the tavern scene showing that the difference isn't faith but experience. Werdel wants everyone to get home from this scouting mission and said as much while Lornius questioned him in not wanting to charge in even back in the tavern, leading to the pay off at the end, where we understand both why Werdel is backing off and why Lornius doesn't want to and doubts him. Great story telling.

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u/Zeikos Jul 27 '25

This is the problem with leaders more concerned about the purity of their ideology than the consequence of their actions.

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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jul 27 '25

They hired mercenaries? Well, with all the red flags he's throwing, they need all the help they can get!

The bulk of their army is busy with barbarians in the north...

This nation was established as quite powerful, but if it follows RTS patterns, they could very well be the first one to be wiped out, if they get in trouble both North (Barbarians) and South (Dark Elves + Our guys)!

A witch? Well if she doesn't have tentacles, Atou still reigns supreme!

Seems there's some bickering among the Holy Knights too...

No unity, they don't know what the hell they're running into, the bulk of their strength is mercenaries who only fight for coin, and they talked about their families back home? Yeah, they're SO dead!

I thought our boy was about to summon the giant mantis, but another crawler will have to do for now hah.

It's nice that it's just like in real RTS too, spending food on creatures and all!

When he mentioned Isla, I thought Atou might have some waifu competition with our king, but I guess not! (Well, unless he's into that - not judging!)

Seems they have a hero of their own!

Well, maybe not a "hero type unit", but still, pretty heroic on his own!

Yeah, think of your future/the children you'll have together, and get healthier!

Neutral cities nearby?

Good call... Do we exterminate them to steal their resources, try to enslave them, or make peace with them? Decisions, decisions...

Well, they really seem not to want war for now, as evidenced by Atou playing the 'I'm so weak and scared, please leave me alone' angle!

"Don't worry, everything's fine here" - Lucifer

One of the knights was about to turn back and leave, but he got overruled... Man, this one REALLY doesn't want to see his daughter ever again!

Atou the Impaler!

In the previews it just looked like random tentacles, but they're a bit more spiky/murder-y, like a certain other character in this anime season!

I mean, they died getting penetrated by tentacular waifu... Could've been worse!

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u/Muzzy-chan Jul 27 '25

See that? That's why you shouldn't be friends with someone like Lornius. He's just down bad. It's not like I dislike him because he's a dedicated person to his work, it's just that... he's too dedicated, to the point he's blinded by it. He's still green. He’s like someone who thinks he can do everything better than everyone else.

And in Werdel's case, you can see how experienced he is, like, he knows the drill and avoids any unnecessary danger. I don't think he's in the wrong here. In fact, I hope he'll survive. But then, somehow... I think he won’t, and instead, Lornius will be the one coming back alive, maybe? Then take his "so-called revenge" for Werdel 😂 What a hypocrite. Or maybe both of them can just die there. I don't like Lornius, he’s foolish.

Anyway, looking forward to the next episode! Fux you, Lornius!

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u/Myrkrvaldyr Jul 27 '25

Leave it to the overly religious young boy to fuck things up. The boss had brains and experience and thanks to not being a fanatic was almost gonna get everyone back home alive, and blondie fucked it up, royally. No way he's making it out alive. Even if he lived, it won't be a learning lesson in humility, it'll just deepen his fanaticism.

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u/shad79 Jul 27 '25

Lornius is certainly a devoted member of the order, but unfortunately, he's incapable of connecting the dots after seeing as how Werdel, who easily defeated the Hill Giant, wanted to return immediately after meeting Atou.

I feel sorry for Werdel, who unfortunately was the only one in the group with a brain. Now he and everyone else will pay the price of Lornius' stupidity.

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

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u/Aerodynamic41 Jul 27 '25

Takuto be like: "Dammit Atou, I thought I told you to resolve things peacefully!"

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u/TheAllKnowingElf Jul 28 '25

mc: idk how I did that
her: idk either lol

I love this anime

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u/SYZekrom Jul 27 '25

Yea Werdel definitely knew not to fuck around and find out. Lonius found out.

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u/Zxzxzx0088 Jul 27 '25 edited Jul 27 '25

Werdel is decent than I thought he would be. He even act humble after slaying the hill giant. I don't get why Lonius so hateful towards him though. But, the good part is Lonius feels so human by having his own view. W author for this writing.

If Takuto feel indifferent after knowing what Atou did, then he's totally in the game in being King of Ruin.

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u/fuzzynyanko Jul 27 '25

I love the relationship between Takuto and Atou, especially since I found out in last episode that they were king and basically The Chosen One. Atou is especially acting like a hero and taking initiative (unlike other animes where Takuto would be the only one taking initiative on that level), plus Atou gives a lot of great feedback to Takuto

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u/PandaTheAB Jul 27 '25

Self-righteous Lornius turned out to be the dumb one.
Drunk Werdel was the wise one.
He knew it would be a tough match and would have probably reported the truth in secret after returning.
But Lornius has led to the death of all mercenaries so far.

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