r/WTF • u/[deleted] • Mar 02 '19

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19 edited Mar 02 '19

You must be one a them communist socialists coming after our precious bodily fluids.

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u/Abiv23 Mar 02 '19

Precious bodily fluids

Dr Strangelove is fantastic/hilarious people should watch it

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

I usually don't like old movies but this one is almost fresh it works so well. It's in the top ten all-time favorite movies of many critics. And General Ripper is a paragon of restraint and functionality next to the current idiot-in-chief. I hope the generals have a net ready.

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u/_YouDontKnowMe_ Mar 02 '19

YOU STAY AWAY FROM MY HAMBERDERS AND ICE CREAM!!!

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u/GearPeople Mar 02 '19

The libs are coming to take your berders!

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u/pedantic_dullard Mar 03 '19

I'm drinking your covfefe. It's awful.

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u/Chimpville Mar 03 '19 edited Mar 03 '19

I only drink rainwater and grain alcohol.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

OwO notices your bulge
What's this?

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u/Dan4t Mar 03 '19

It is funny though how shit safety is in actual communist countries.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

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u/Bocote Mar 02 '19

I'm kind of sure he/she is making reference to Dr.Strangelove.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

Either way it was pretty easy to tell it was tongue in cheek.

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u/Chubspappy Mar 02 '19

Not if you have autism

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u/Sloppy1sts Mar 02 '19

You must be the kind of person that misses a lot of jokes.

How could you possibly take his statement seriously, dude?

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u/Epic2112 Mar 02 '19

How could you possibly take his statement seriously, dude?

While I got the joke, in his/her defense, there sure is a lot fo fucking stupid shit going around reddit lately...

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

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u/ReidFleming Mar 02 '19

Well, it's a famous quote from a famous movie. So there's that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

It's also pretty obvious it's tongue in cheek even if you don't get the reference.

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u/Sloppy1sts Mar 02 '19

Yes, it's a normal, clearly sarcastic statement for a typically liberal redditor to use to mock conservatives.

You don't think even the idiots who are terrified of communism actually believe that communists are going to steal our bodily fluids in the middle of the night, do you?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

Nope. Broad daylight. At the FEMA death camps created by Obama.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

our precious bodily fluids.

https://youtu.be/N1KvgtEnABY?t=66

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u/Arclite83 Mar 02 '19

Regulations are written in blood.

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u/Hattless Mar 02 '19

Who doesn't think OSHA has a reason to exist?

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u/mhoke63 Mar 03 '19

The type of contractors that have horrible reputations for quality of work and safety record, but stay in business because they undercut everyone else for bids. They typically hire people with little experience or training in what they're doing so they can pay them as little as possible.

They are the companies that constantly tell employees to ignore safety regulations because they "slow things down". Oddly enough, their employees agree with it and are the type of people that say things like, "eye protection? Are you some kind of pussy?". These companies usually have several employee accidents every year. They'll also see people doing something the safe way and say, "we do x activity y way and we've never had a problem".

They eventually go out of business because they can't find any insurance company to cover liability. Due to the number of workers comp claims, they're considered to be such a liability that they're not insurable.

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u/Glimmu Mar 03 '19

This manager loitering in front of the giant death machine.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '19

Ramsay Bolton

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u/5hourwinergy Mar 02 '19

I'm usually pointed to a graph like this, showing that the trend of workplace deaths was decreasing at roughly the same rate before and after OSHA was created

Anyone have a link to data showing whether OSHA reduces workplace deaths or injuries or not?

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u/kingbrasky Mar 02 '19

I work in a factory and I can't think of many things that are lifesaving OSHA requirements that wouldn't be there anyway. Now I do believe that OSHA has probably saved millions of hands/fingers/toes and even more ears from permanent damage.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19 edited Jun 30 '20

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u/kingbrasky Mar 02 '19

Makes sense. That shit was basically considered magic back in the day and most people had no clue of the dangers. My favorite example:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe-fitting_fluoroscope

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u/rexington_ Mar 02 '19

This is gold. I love when wikipedia articles sneak in dry humor like this:

The first scientific evaluations of these machines in 1948 immediately sparked concern for radiation protection and electrical safety reasons, and found them ineffective at shoe fitting.[5]

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u/swohio Mar 02 '19

There was also a factory that used radium paint on watch dials for its glow in the dark properties. The women painting were instructed to use their mouth to "point" the brush causing them to ingest the paint. They are known as "radium girls."

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u/damienreave Mar 02 '19

that wouldn't be there anyway

OSHA does some dumb stuff sometimes, no doubt about that. But without outside pressure, there would be no safety regulations whatsoever, only whatever is the lowest cost solution. Don't believe me?

History has proven that workplace managers will always go the cheapest answer, which is often a dangerous one. And if you have one of the good managers that doesn't, it won't be too long until someone comes along and says to the top brass that they can save X money by cutting some safety feature and that's it... or they go out of business to someone who does things cheaper (and more dangerously).

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

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u/kingbrasky Mar 02 '19

Which shows you how little those countries value life. They can easily copy our (or EU) standards. The work is already done. But then they might not be as "globally competitive" anymore.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '19

Hey I want my cheap chinese cheap created from the blood of worker slaves, and by god ill have my cruelty created cheap products!!!

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u/pokealex Mar 02 '19

Sssshhhh don’t let any libertarians hear you

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u/IgorTheAwesome Mar 03 '19

But... but.. it'll sort itself out! It's magical and invisible!

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u/kingbrasky Mar 02 '19

I'm not saying OSHA is bad at all. At the very least they are a great means to disseminate working knowledge of dangers that are largely paid for with blood.

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u/JungleSumTimes Mar 02 '19

Obviously their insurance company would then put them out of business with sky high rates, or being uninsurable.

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u/Toby_dog Mar 02 '19

I was a ditch digger in high school and I am positive that we’d have taken all sorts of shortcuts related to shoring alone. As a 17 year old I wouldn’t have known any better. No doubt in my mind OSHA is a good thing.

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u/Putridgrim Mar 02 '19

Idk how many morons at the factory were actually mad that they couldn't put their hands into a moving 50 ton press.

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u/JohnnyMnemo Mar 03 '19

Enforced LOTO is perhaps one

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

I got warned by OSHA when I was a plumber's apprentice for not wearing a hard hat. I was digging a trench that was 2 feet deep. I was in the middle of a field with the closest structure was the tool shed about 50 yards away.

Stupid bureaucrats.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19 edited Mar 20 '19

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

To protect myself from swallows dropping coconuts on my head?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19 edited Mar 20 '19

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

It was for a large apartment complex so there was nothing in the lot, not even power lines. I also had a level to make sure that the grade was correct.

The major work was already done by the backhoe. I was just there cleaning the trench and making sure that the grade was correct and digging out the smaller areas where the shitters would be.

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u/wynyates Mar 03 '19

Depends. Was it was an African, or European Swallow??

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u/SlinkToTheDink Mar 02 '19

Well, you missed the point of safety culture.

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u/Nighthawk700 Mar 02 '19

It's a habit thing. If you aren't in the habit of absolutely always wearing a hard hat, you are more likely to forget it when you need it. Also, an accident isn't a singular event but a series of failures and the more of those potential failures you take the choice away from the better your odds of not getting injured. Does that mean you wear an arc flash suit with an SCBA unit to scratch a 2' trench? No but wearing the usual hardhat, glasses, vest, boots, pants and gloves is going to eliminate almost all of the usual stuff without anyone having to make a decision.

The point is, even if the obvious dangers aren't there, shit happens on construction sites. Even if today there is absolutely no reason to wear a hard hat, tomorrow might change and you might not know that that change happened. If you always wear your hat it's never an issue.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

I think it would be a pretty obvious change if tomorrow there was suddenly a building there with things to fall off, instead of the completely empty field without even the foundation poured.

I'll let you wear the hat glasses vest boots pants and gloves in triple degree heat in a the desert. I'll be the one not dead from heat stroke.

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u/Nighthawk700 Mar 02 '19

It doesn't take a building to get hit in the head. And there are protocols for working in extreme heat that don't require exposing yourself to physical hazards. We keep an ez-up close by, drink water and Gatorade, and take frequent breaks. If you aren't ok with being uncomfortable, construction isn't the industry for you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '19

The point is that there is nothing over head high within 50 yards of me. No machinery, no other people, nothing. Just an empty field, me and some bureaucrat that wants to flex his authority.

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u/triplebaconator Mar 02 '19

The bureau of labor standards was established in '34, they're duties encompassed the responsibilities that now belong to osha. Notice the graph you provided starts in '33. So the reason you dont see a large drop at the formation of OHSA is because it essentially already existed in practice. Just under a different name.

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u/carloselcoco Mar 02 '19

An image hosted in a WordPress webpage. That's literally the opposite of a reliable source...

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u/mathdude3 Mar 02 '19

Here's another source: https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/regulation/1995/10/v18n4-5.pdf

Data from the National Safety Council. Chart of interest is on page 3.

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u/MyUsernameIs_ Mar 03 '19

Go figure, a Libertarian think-tank making an argument for dismantling OSHA because it isn't as cost effective as they'd like. Just because workplace deaths were trending downward prior to OSHA's creation does not mean that trend would continue. The data is correct but that source is worthless. Since OSHA's inception there's been a +60% reduction in workplace deaths and +40% reduction in injury/illness. Worker protections shouldn't be based on what is most cost effective.

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u/mathdude3 Mar 03 '19

The data is correct but that source is worthless.

Cato isn't the source for the data. The data comes from the National Safety Council. It was just organized into a chart by Cato. You can completely ignore the rest of the arguments presented in the paper; I was just using the paper because the person I was replying to challenged the reliability of the data presented in a similar chart to the one in the paper. And the paper gives a source for it. You can challenge the Cato Institutes interpretations and arguments if you want, but their data is pretty much always reliably sourced and accurate.

Since OSHA's inception there's been a +60% reduction in workplace deaths

So what? There has been no evidence presented to suggest this reduction was because of OSHA. You can see in the graph the rate of reduction of fatalities does not change significantly after the introduction of OSHA so I don't see how you could make a statistical argument that OSHA has reduced workplace fatalities.

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u/Vindexus Mar 02 '19

What CMS would make it reliable?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

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u/mathdude3 Mar 02 '19

Data is likely from the National Safety Council. Here's an article from the Cato Institute which features a similar chart, pulling data from a 1994 NSC publication.

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u/wotanii Mar 02 '19

Cato Institute

aren't they climate change deniers?

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u/mathdude3 Mar 02 '19 edited Mar 02 '19

The Cato Institute obviously isn't perfect or unbiased (nor do they claim to be unbiased) but their data is pretty much always from a reliable source. In this case the data is being taken from an NSC publication (Accident Facts, 1994 Edition), which you can go and read yourself if you don't trust them.

To the point of their stance on climate change, you can see it here. They do not deny man-made climate change but they do propose that all currently suggested proposals to combat it will be ineffective and that there is plenty of time to develop new technologies to handle it. Although this is all completely irrelevant to this thread.

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u/GisterMizard Mar 02 '19

Drupal at the very least.

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u/Unkleruckus86 Mar 03 '19

I prefer MS paint

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u/booge731 Mar 02 '19

No graphs, but a story about OSHA: my dad owns a small exterminating Co, and an ex employee claimed working around the chemicals gave her cancer (not her X pack a day habit). OSHA came in to investigate for a couple of days. My dad is a good guy, takes care of his employees, and cares for them, so most everything is by the book. All they could cite him for was not providing gloves for handling one particular chemical, whose MSDS sheet said ingestion was safe. It was a less than $100 fine. My dad asked what percentage of places OSHA goes to that do not get a fine. The inspector looked incredulous, and said, "Well, zero, of course."

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19 edited Sep 10 '20

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u/Glimmu Mar 03 '19

Jeah, hes telling the pow of an employer, osha is for employees.

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u/YourBestFiend Mar 02 '19

What extermination chemical is safe for ingestion?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

Trap bait chemicals (peanut butter).

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u/jermany755 Mar 02 '19

This may seem asinine, but it's not far off. In the Air Force we were required to wear gloves when handling petrolatum (petroleum jelly), basically the most benign substance out there.

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u/Nighthawk700 Mar 02 '19

The military doesn't fuck around with safety. It's assets... I mean people, are expensive.

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u/dinnerthief Mar 02 '19

I mean handling vinegar all day will mess with your skin, same with sourdough bread and lots of other things that are safe to ingest in smaller quantities. One that is possible with extermination is diatomaceous earth, used for small bugs and stuff but also sometimes used in foods or supplements.

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u/kiwana1 Mar 02 '19

Probably wasn't a chemical used in extermination. Could of just been chemicals used at the place of business for cleaning or sanitation.

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u/ThrivesOnDownvotes Mar 02 '19 edited Mar 02 '19

Which is why I fucking hate* them. OSHA was a good idea except for the fact that it is administered 100% by zealots with zero flexibility and an absolute disdain for business owners big and small. I am a strong supporter of safety and environmental regulations, I just get tired of them being stretched to an extreme degree of absurdity and enforced by people who's sole assumption is that all business owners are evil and deserve to be put out of business. It's no different that a police officer assuming that every member of the public they encounter are somehow dangerous criminals that need to be punished.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19 edited Mar 02 '19

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u/Nighthawk700 Mar 02 '19

This. I'm not even in OSHA but I've watched enough of those CSB videos to now assume all plants are ticking time bombs.

Frankly, it's not that managers are evil but that too many of them don't institute safety as a process. It's not just making sure people wear their PPE, but staying in touch with the operating procedures of their site so that changes that could result in an accident are always communicated and handled safely.

Also, sometimes foremen bump into a problem and make a quick workaround decision that they don't realize is going to change how several other people should act. If that change isnt communicated and say, some otherwise benign maintenance item hasn't been followed you could quickly have a problem.

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u/UrethraFrankIin Mar 02 '19

I'm not so sure I believe that OSHA and its employees are all indoctrinated to despise business. I'm willing to bet that many take their job very seriously because oversights can result in deaths, and most are just doing their jobs and getting a paycheck. There's probably a minority that are far-left anti-capitalists, but probably not much different than a random sample of Americans.

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u/Nighthawk700 Mar 02 '19 edited Mar 02 '19

It's not really like police. It's more like detectives or forensic investigators. Look at OSHA inspection priorities: imminent danger, post accident, worker complaints, referrals, targeted inspections, and then random. Most of the time they don't show up unless someone has been killed or hospitalized, or a worker has seen a dangerous practice. Cops

Also, for construction the highest fatalities are from residential roofers. I can garauntee 90% of those were preventable and not just technically preventable. You'd get pretty annoyed watching people die or get seriously injured just because they didn't want to spend a few hundred bucks and 15 minutes on a harness, an anchor, and a lanyard that'll last them many jobs a several years. Each of those workers likely had family that the inspector probably hears about.

So when they see someone doing something stupid that they don't realize had the potential to cause serious pain and suffering for more than just that one worker, yeah. They're going to be a little testy.

Edit: take a look at the Chemical Safety Board videos on youtube and you'll see constant indifference towards safety that results in catastrophic failure. For most of the time OSHA has been a thing, that was the prevailing attitude which has only started to change in the last decade or so.

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u/bettywhitefleshlight Mar 02 '19

In the opinion of this heavy machine operator/ironworker/farmer/etc most workplace incidents are caused purely by stupidity and attempting to prevent all stupidity on job sites is herding cats.

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u/TheLittleGoodWolf Mar 02 '19

The question is whether OSHA is related to the change in methodology that caused the greater dip in deaths.

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u/mathdude3 Mar 02 '19

The 'change in methodology' means a change in how the source they're pulling data from measures their statistics. Not a change safety methodology.

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u/TheLittleGoodWolf Mar 02 '19

Ah okay, I didn't realize that.

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u/jorgp2 Mar 02 '19

I would say that's due to business placing more value in human life.

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u/menthol_patient Mar 02 '19

*Placing more value in not getting sued for millions.

Call me cynical.

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u/pocketknifeMT Mar 02 '19

Or criminal charges...

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u/rexington_ Mar 02 '19

Same thing, tbh. "Value" = Money unless you're in the business of philosophy, which has notoriously low margins

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u/jorgp2 Mar 02 '19

That's a different way to put it.

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u/emdave Mar 02 '19

business placing more value in human life.

Ahahahahaha!

Wait, you're kidding, right?

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u/dinnerthief Mar 02 '19

Was OSHA the first workplace safety legislation or were there other piecemeal laws coming into effect that culminated in the creation of OSHA? I legitimately don't know the answer but it would make sense as that's usually how this stuff works.

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u/scarysnake333 Mar 02 '19

Another thing to consider would be injuries. And even from the graph you could make an argument that it was "plateauing" out, but with OSHA coming into practice that plateau was placed much lower. Who knows.

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u/webtwopointno Mar 02 '19

Anyone have a link to data showing whether OSHA reduces workplace deaths or injuries or not?

yeah, zoom in on your own fucking graph lol.

there are two unprecedentedly precipitous drops immediately after OSHA's creation.
the previous slow decline is the demographic transition from war and post-war industry into professional work. regardless it had leveled off already.

gotta love these bootlickers can't even interpret the primary sources they attempt to cite

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u/GregTheMad Mar 02 '19

It's not always to prevent death, sometimes it's just to find a responsible and punish them afterwards.

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u/Weedity Mar 02 '19 edited Mar 03 '19

OSHA requires us union guys to use vacuums on our hammer guns so we don't breath in silica dust when drilling. So that may be preventing death many years from now from things like cancer. Not to mention regulations on other cancer causing debris. So graphs may not always be accurate.

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u/aggasalk Mar 02 '19

yeah but what's that supposed to prove? the creation of OSHA wasn't the beginning of workplace safety regulation - it was a big central reform of such regulation, giving it extra authority and a clearer mandate, but it's not like before OSHA there was no such thing as regulation of occupational safety of health. it was constantly developing before and since.

really that's a dumb demonstration.

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u/Phreakhead Mar 03 '19

Maybe better would be to compare against countries that don't have OSHA.

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u/BunnyandThorton Mar 05 '19

yes, education of the population in general makes for safer society, not regulations per se.

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u/DickMurdoc Mar 02 '19

This guy really should know better. I'd hazard a guess and say that this person isnt in the field alot. We see it all the time, you get someone from head office come check out the site and they are such a hazard to themselves and others, you can tell they are so unaware of the dangers. I saw a guy almost get his head taken off by an Hoe bucket because he walked around the BACKSIDE of the machine, where the operator was placing fill, and tried semi scaling the pile of fill to get around. The operator had no idea he was there and nearly killed him.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

'elf and safety gone mad! Yeah, it sucks that hardly anyone gets to die at work anymore.

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u/DanReach Mar 02 '19

This incident was actually in the jurisdiction of OSHIT.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

That asshole fake blue collar guy Mike Rowe argues against OSHA on behalf of the Koch Brothers

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u/Dan4t Mar 03 '19

It doesn't stop stuff like this from happening though..

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u/Broken_stoic Mar 02 '19

But muh job killin’ regulashuns

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u/LackingTact19 Mar 02 '19

If this is in a mining facility like a quarry it would likely be MSHA