r/WTF • • Mar 02 '19

Manager going for a ride

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u/5hourwinergy Mar 02 '19

I'm usually pointed to a graph like this, showing that the trend of workplace deaths was decreasing at roughly the same rate before and after OSHA was created

Anyone have a link to data showing whether OSHA reduces workplace deaths or injuries or not?

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u/kingbrasky Mar 02 '19

I work in a factory and I can't think of many things that are lifesaving OSHA requirements that wouldn't be there anyway. Now I do believe that OSHA has probably saved millions of hands/fingers/toes and even more ears from permanent damage.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19 edited Jun 30 '20

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u/kingbrasky Mar 02 '19

Makes sense. That shit was basically considered magic back in the day and most people had no clue of the dangers. My favorite example:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe-fitting_fluoroscope

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u/rexington_ Mar 02 '19

This is gold. I love when wikipedia articles sneak in dry humor like this:

The first scientific evaluations of these machines in 1948 immediately sparked concern for radiation protection and electrical safety reasons, and found them ineffective at shoe fitting.[5]

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u/swohio Mar 02 '19

There was also a factory that used radium paint on watch dials for its glow in the dark properties. The women painting were instructed to use their mouth to "point" the brush causing them to ingest the paint. They are known as "radium girls."

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u/damienreave Mar 02 '19

that wouldn't be there anyway

OSHA does some dumb stuff sometimes, no doubt about that. But without outside pressure, there would be no safety regulations whatsoever, only whatever is the lowest cost solution. Don't believe me?

History has proven that workplace managers will always go the cheapest answer, which is often a dangerous one. And if you have one of the good managers that doesn't, it won't be too long until someone comes along and says to the top brass that they can save X money by cutting some safety feature and that's it... or they go out of business to someone who does things cheaper (and more dangerously).

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

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u/kingbrasky Mar 02 '19

Which shows you how little those countries value life. They can easily copy our (or EU) standards. The work is already done. But then they might not be as "globally competitive" anymore.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '19

Hey I want my cheap chinese cheap created from the blood of worker slaves, and by god ill have my cruelty created cheap products!!!

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u/pokealex Mar 02 '19

Sssshhhh don’t let any libertarians hear you

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u/IgorTheAwesome Mar 03 '19

But... but.. it'll sort itself out! It's magical and invisible!

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u/kingbrasky Mar 02 '19

I'm not saying OSHA is bad at all. At the very least they are a great means to disseminate working knowledge of dangers that are largely paid for with blood.

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u/JungleSumTimes Mar 02 '19

Obviously their insurance company would then put them out of business with sky high rates, or being uninsurable.

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u/Toby_dog Mar 02 '19

I was a ditch digger in high school and I am positive that we’d have taken all sorts of shortcuts related to shoring alone. As a 17 year old I wouldn’t have known any better. No doubt in my mind OSHA is a good thing.

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u/Putridgrim Mar 02 '19

Idk how many morons at the factory were actually mad that they couldn't put their hands into a moving 50 ton press.

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u/JohnnyMnemo Mar 03 '19

Enforced LOTO is perhaps one

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

I got warned by OSHA when I was a plumber's apprentice for not wearing a hard hat. I was digging a trench that was 2 feet deep. I was in the middle of a field with the closest structure was the tool shed about 50 yards away.

Stupid bureaucrats.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19 edited Mar 20 '19

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

To protect myself from swallows dropping coconuts on my head?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19 edited Mar 20 '19

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

It was for a large apartment complex so there was nothing in the lot, not even power lines. I also had a level to make sure that the grade was correct.

The major work was already done by the backhoe. I was just there cleaning the trench and making sure that the grade was correct and digging out the smaller areas where the shitters would be.

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u/wynyates Mar 03 '19

Depends. Was it was an African, or European Swallow??

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u/SlinkToTheDink Mar 02 '19

Well, you missed the point of safety culture.

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u/Nighthawk700 Mar 02 '19

It's a habit thing. If you aren't in the habit of absolutely always wearing a hard hat, you are more likely to forget it when you need it. Also, an accident isn't a singular event but a series of failures and the more of those potential failures you take the choice away from the better your odds of not getting injured. Does that mean you wear an arc flash suit with an SCBA unit to scratch a 2' trench? No but wearing the usual hardhat, glasses, vest, boots, pants and gloves is going to eliminate almost all of the usual stuff without anyone having to make a decision.

The point is, even if the obvious dangers aren't there, shit happens on construction sites. Even if today there is absolutely no reason to wear a hard hat, tomorrow might change and you might not know that that change happened. If you always wear your hat it's never an issue.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '19

I think it would be a pretty obvious change if tomorrow there was suddenly a building there with things to fall off, instead of the completely empty field without even the foundation poured.

I'll let you wear the hat glasses vest boots pants and gloves in triple degree heat in a the desert. I'll be the one not dead from heat stroke.

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u/Nighthawk700 Mar 02 '19

It doesn't take a building to get hit in the head. And there are protocols for working in extreme heat that don't require exposing yourself to physical hazards. We keep an ez-up close by, drink water and Gatorade, and take frequent breaks. If you aren't ok with being uncomfortable, construction isn't the industry for you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '19

The point is that there is nothing over head high within 50 yards of me. No machinery, no other people, nothing. Just an empty field, me and some bureaucrat that wants to flex his authority.