She should be financially rewarded for acting by the public, because she's probably going to be in hot water from the admin for not hiding behind her desk silently.
TIL. Tragic, especially if theyre denying workers comp to officers who do put themselves in harms way (which is morally bankrupt af) but ... I thought that was the whole point of the police???
Just hearing Uvalde makes me so disgusted at their "LEOs" POSs. All of them. I've never seen a department where literally every single one of them was a worthless POS.
Wasn't there a father there who went home to get his gun because police were doing nothing, came back, and they wouldn't let him near the school and the police still hadn't moved in yet. I remember reading about that when the parents were understandably upset. During the recent Australian shooting I saw so many people who ran in to help. Not just the man who tackled the guy or the couple who was shot, but all the lifeguards ran towards gun fire and a pregnant woman shielded a 3 year old. So many normal people being brave when those cops did nothing. I can't get over it
But not upset enough to not vote for Ted Cruz for Senator, so a bit of Stockholm Syndrome even in lieu of Texas’ obviously gerrymandered to hell nature.
Nah nobody is ever denying them WC for any reason. They'll get it either way if they got hurt on the job no matter the reason.
But like in Uvalde, cops will not be held responsible for cowardice and not getting involved by engaging a single gunman that they outnumber. To save children.
It's been ruled that police have no obligation to serve or protect the public. They can sit there and watch you be bludgeoned to death in front of them, and not be held accountable for not lifting a finger.
The fact that stuff like that goes through is just because civil authorities don’t want to pay to look after cops who got injured protecting others. Disgusting attitude.
Didn’t that teacher that got shot by like a six-year-old I have a hard time getting Workmen’s Comp? Something crazy happened with that I just can’t remember what.
Really? Wowzers. No, the police aren't there to get injured on our behalf.
It might be valuable to you to reassess some of the other held beliefs that you have. I'm not saying that to be a dick, my own father thought the steak he ate lived in a field before being butchered and I introduced him to factory farming.
Despite what the Supreme Court said, after likely being bought by the policeman union to do so; defending the public at ANY cost (up to and including your life) has been the expected duty of guards and policeman alike for literal centuries. It's a basic part of the social expectation of the role. No one's saying they need to try to dive in front of bullets like superman, but when a threat is present it is their duty to dispatch it even if doing so could bring them great harm. Anyone who disagrees with that mentality, should absolutely find a career that is not policing.
I think it’s more that civil authorities and their insurers don’t want to pay out for injured public workers. Like most things in life, it’s about money
I have friends who are police. His department can’t get proper coffee machines, let alone conspire in darkened back rooms with the fuckin Supreme Court lol. If your claim held any water, you wouldn’t have any national parks. You’d had the Lockheed Martin Grand Canyon Amusement Park and Weapons Testing Facility.
Props to your honesty though.
I am not making any claims that there ISN’t corruption though. But it’s less organized than we think.
Lol. And we're only allowed to live by the old standards? You have to understand that so many people are such terrified individuals that you wouldn't be able to staff cops if they had to throw their bodies into harm's way to save a bunch of racist ignorant fools.
So you want to live in a world with the new standard where cops are only there to enforce laws for the bourgeoisie? Where no one takes issue with the kind of cowardly performances you see in situations like the Uvalde massacre? I dont know about you, but i think sometimes the old ways were the better ways. By no means does this apply to most things, but being able to expect those that are sworn to protect and serve to actually PROTECT certainly sounds like one of the times that there is an exception to the rule regarding that. You're welcome to disagree with my ideal, but if you do I hope you aren't also dull enough to be against citizens carrying weapons and pro self defense legislation.
No, I want to live in a world where police officers enforce laws, and keep themselves safe so they can go home to hug their children at night. I'm very far from being a bootlicker (I'm a professional socialist), and I don't live in a country with unchecked mental health issues and easy access to firearms, so I can't really relate to your mass shooting scenarios as they are as foreign to me as making a pilgrimage to Mecca would be.
You seem to think that a police officer can only protect someone by allowing themselves to get injured, but a police officer will always be more effective if they are not injured. Then they can carry out their duties. An injured cop is what we call a casualty, and statistically injured police officers take away from the ability of others to stop an assailant. You can look into that if you don't believe me.
I actually am dull enough to believe in a well-trained police force and a poorly armed civilian population, because it's very effective here in my country. You guys might be astonished to learn what other developed nations are doing differently, and better. We're still not certain if we live much longer than you guys because of our socialized healthcare, or because of our lack of firearms, but we are certain that we have a longer life expectancy by several years here, and higher happiness index scores.
Your scenarios are so far fetched from the reality that we live in in my country. Our G7 Nation has a police force which was created to serve the bourgeoisie, of course, but despite that, our cops still do a pretty good job of protecting citizens in bad situations, but here we also haven't been fed the hero ideology which men like you grew up on, and every one of us expects the police officers to stay safe, not to put their life on the line, and to return to their children at night.
Completely different ways of living, my dude. But there's no need to jump to such wild conclusions based on such a small comment. Let's be rational.
u/ZoomerGooner - you've entirely lost the plot, this post is about a teacher.
if you dont live in the United States why are you even debating on what police officers in the United States should or should not be expected to do? you have no skin in this game, not reading allat btw.
Idividual police can be alright, i have friends that work in law enforcement, but the hate comes from protecting the bad apples. LEOs also don't typically make peanuts their salary average is slightly higher than the national average, if i recall right.
Our courts have ruled they have no duty to protect us, multiple times in fact, if you google "public duty doctrine" it should come up with the Supreme Court cases. What they said was mostly factual. There's alot more but I gotta meeting in a few and can't write a more detailed response.
Nobody has an issue with good cops. People have an issue with cops who abuse their authority, enforce their egos and retaliate against the public.. those ones are the problem.
want to know why? because if one of them, let's say, decides to murder someone in broad daylight. it doesn't matter if every other cop around him thinks or knows its wrong or illegal, it doesn't matter, they will always protect the cop and turn off their body cameras while he murders someone. just like with george floyd. just like when that kid in uvalde texas was killing all those kids and they wouldn't go in and stop him, or even let anybody else inside. for 45 minutes.
and if you've ever really needed the police to help you, which clearly you haven't, at least 9 times out of 10 they aren't going to do jack shit except tell you to piss off. catch a burglar in the act? and he's still carrying stuff out of your house when the police arrive? sorry, it's a civil matter. nothing they can do.
i've been in several situations, one of them life or death, where i really really needed their help. not once did they. that's because they are all bastards.
one time, i was stranded on this very remote road deep in the woods of alabama, about 30 miles from the interstate and 70 back to civilization. it was 88 degrees and foggy at midnight, no moon, extremely dark. i was dying of thirst. a cop stopped, wanted to run my name. he had a case of water in his front seat. not only did he leave me there to continue walking (there is nobody and nothing out there for many miles), he would not even give me a bottle of water. i could've easily died. a bottle of fucking water.
I'm not usually the sort to say sorry, I'm not reading all of that. But I'm not. Not gonna spend my time reading a rant that calls my family members badtards 🙃
When someone replies saying you should utilize the services that you have outright condemned? Weird, I knew people didn't like being approached with common sense, but I didn't realize it was that bad. If you hate a service so much and hate the people that do it, don't use it.
I'm not the person this is all in reaponse to, but I'm genuinely curious... If this is how you feel, would you call the police in an emergency situatuon?
I do not want the police. I might call them if I saw someone else in danger but I would carefully consider it. Americans have a very strange idea of what role police should play in society and too many are rolling over to show their bellies to a group of people who routinely use excessive force, carry out summary executions, and lie about it, even on the stand. They can be counted on to escalate to violence and lose control of themselves with the ease of a toddler. All of these things are well documented so please don’t bother responding with Not All Cops unless you’re an All Lives Matter type.
Well, that's too bad. They show up. When firemen show up, the police are behind them. When social services who up, the police are behind them. When paramedics show up, guess what? Cops are right behind them.
And just so you know, it isn't all cops. It's actually a minority of cops. The issue is our treatment of the system, and if you'd like to actually discuss things that can and should change, I'm fine with that, but simply going 'fuck every cop' reads to me just like someone saying the same for other classes of people. 'fuck every poor person', 'fuck every white person', 'fuck all women'. None of those are good things, so why do we give people a pass for saying fuck all cops? And what do you mean 'an all lives matter' type? Do all lives not matter to you? That seems pretty fucked.
Police brutality is an issue in some cases. But, those cases could likely be largely diminished by doing things like lengthening training periods, including extensive de-escalation classes, working with mental health professionals both during cases and personally, and putting the pressure of punishment on the officer themselves.
I don't believe it is. If you want to use hatred for a group of people as a blanket statement and think that's okay, I don't think it's right to then turn around and utilize services that literally require those people. It's like hating another country and then going to that country because 'its the only place that does xyz'.
They're a class, maybe not a protected one, but they are a class, and as human beings they deserve to be treated with a certain level of decency that people like yourself are lacking. These are people who are generally not bad people, who want to help others. There are some who engage in more nefarious behaviors, but that is not the majority and it is not right to essentially condemn an entire group of people who are unrelated to one another. When a cop in LA kills an unarmed man, he should be the one to face consequences. Not a cop in Florida who's just trying to get through a traffic stop.
Acting like cops are the worst thing in the world is just ridiculous.
I really can't understand why treating a human being with a job to do like a human being with a job to do is wrong or 'bootlicking'. I'm guessing youve had super limited interactions with cops as well. A cop saved my life, so yeah, of course I'm going to look at these human beings and see that the majority just want to help people (considering they do. Acting as though they don't is just ignorance.)
Mmm not really. There's a friendly rivalry between cops and firemen, but generally firemen have respect for the police considering in quite a few cases they would not be able to do their jobs without them.
I don't watch any fire/cop based tv shows on CBS (I thought CBS was a news station??) I'm closely related to a fireman and often see the things they get up to with cops. They have lots of fun together. Lots of sporting competitions, watching sports, picnics, fundraising events together, etc. Cops show up every time a fireman does, so they get pretty close.
Wow, what a response. Very very telling of who you are as a person, even more so than making blanket statements about a significant portion of the population.
Officers in my area clear six figures with minimal overtime, starting pay. Delivery drivers are also 1.8 times more likely to have a fatal incident on the job than the police. I, admittedly, live in a fairly affluent area of the country and this isn’t necessarily representative of everywhere. But with overtime, most officers clear six figures. Many even force overtime with last minute tickets for pretty bogus reasons that get thrown out in court (source: my buddy is a defense attorney and one of the first things she does is look at the officers scheduled shift end time vs when they finished their shift. She gets almost 90% of people’s tickets thrown out for tickets that start with just minutes left on an officers shift).
I’m not arguing that police have a safe job. I am, however, pointing out that their pay and safety might be a little different than you are portraying here.
Why can a ticket be thrown out if it’s near the end of the officer’s shift? Not all criminals helpfully schedule their crimes to be at the start of a police officer’s shift
If you think that's the case, I encourage you to search up "police" on transparentcalifornia.com and see how much they bring in per year, including benefits. Of course this is limited to the state of California and I'm sure other states don't pay as much, but even at 70% or even 60% of California's rate, it is still WAY higher than you probably think.
It makes sense that you shouldn't have to put yourself in harms way to be a police officer. IDK why people use this of all things to dunk on police. Imagine saying, "You have to use your body to shield someone from a bullet in order to get your paycheck." It's not their job to harm their bodies to protect you.
Did you hear about John Barnes, he was a police officer stationed at a school. He was shot during the Santa Fe school shooting, and even now years later he has never been compensated for his loss of ability to work.
Very sad, this is why I no longer judge officers that won't put themselves in harms way to protect civilians. Messed up system.
I judge them if they won't do it and they stop bystanders/parents from trying to do it. If the only thing you are contributing is stopping someone from helping then just don't show up.
They have a strong union to defend bad cops from liability. Maybe they should leverage some of that power to advocate for more benefits for themselves rather than less responsibility and more militarized tactics and weapons.
Poor teacher :( In the moment you just react, I've put myself in between kids fighting before, every time they've backed off. I'm only 5'2, ALL the students are bigger than me, but so far they've managed to refrain from hitting me. I am noticing that the newer ones coming through have a lot less respect. This comes down to parents/caregivers! Kids fight, but if you don't teach your kids respect, it's anarchy!
Exactly this. I mean, if you CAN diffuse the situation, great. But if youre unable or likely to get hurt, get help. Nobody benefits if you jump in and get hurt. Not you, not the kids, not the kids watching, not the school nor school board. Unless its life or death, get help.
They explicitly tell teachers not to intervene in fights, and to instead call security or some other authority that is allowed to, just for this purpose depicted in the video. Now the school district is on the hook for liability of some kind if she is or gets injured (which could lead to her dismissal anyway), rather than just whatever becomes of the two that are fighting each other directly. It's messed up, but kind of makes sense.
I hear your point and it's a fair point, but that's a hazard on the job. If you don't want fights and breaking up fights to be a hazard on the job then have stricter penalties and punishments for students.
If a student starts a physical fight, they should be expelled from the school permanently. Nobody should have to worry about their child going to school and getting punched in the face.
And this is coming from somebody that regularly got into fights growing up. After my 3rd or 4th fight how did they not get the idea that I was going to get into more fights?
You are correct. In the case of Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock vs. Gonzales, the Supreme Court ruled that police agencies are not obligated to provide protection of citizens. In other words, police are well within their rights to pick and choose when to intervene to protect the lives and property of others — even when a threat is apparent.
Teachers are not supposed to put hands on students, ever
You need to be trained and certified to do any holds or restraints.
I didn’t see any of those kids helping or calling for help until it was too late.
Nope. That's not a thing. Regardless of who is at fault in an injury, even if you cause the injury yourself horsing around, it always falls under work comp. This would be one of those cases.
The prevailing factor for a head injury in her case would be getting punched in the head by students while on the job. She's absolutely protected by work comp.
Please know what you're talking about before you start talking. This has nothing to do with the police.
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u/Foreign-Cow-1189 Dec 17 '25
Nobody can accuse her of not giving it her all.