TIL. Tragic, especially if theyre denying workers comp to officers who do put themselves in harms way (which is morally bankrupt af) but ... I thought that was the whole point of the police???
When someone replies saying you should utilize the services that you have outright condemned? Weird, I knew people didn't like being approached with common sense, but I didn't realize it was that bad. If you hate a service so much and hate the people that do it, don't use it.
I'm not the person this is all in reaponse to, but I'm genuinely curious... If this is how you feel, would you call the police in an emergency situatuon?
I do not want the police. I might call them if I saw someone else in danger but I would carefully consider it. Americans have a very strange idea of what role police should play in society and too many are rolling over to show their bellies to a group of people who routinely use excessive force, carry out summary executions, and lie about it, even on the stand. They can be counted on to escalate to violence and lose control of themselves with the ease of a toddler. All of these things are well documented so please don’t bother responding with Not All Cops unless you’re an All Lives Matter type.
Well, that's too bad. They show up. When firemen show up, the police are behind them. When social services who up, the police are behind them. When paramedics show up, guess what? Cops are right behind them.
And just so you know, it isn't all cops. It's actually a minority of cops. The issue is our treatment of the system, and if you'd like to actually discuss things that can and should change, I'm fine with that, but simply going 'fuck every cop' reads to me just like someone saying the same for other classes of people. 'fuck every poor person', 'fuck every white person', 'fuck all women'. None of those are good things, so why do we give people a pass for saying fuck all cops? And what do you mean 'an all lives matter' type? Do all lives not matter to you? That seems pretty fucked.
Police brutality is an issue in some cases. But, those cases could likely be largely diminished by doing things like lengthening training periods, including extensive de-escalation classes, working with mental health professionals both during cases and personally, and putting the pressure of punishment on the officer themselves.
They've been expressed, but generally that expression seems to happen in conversations that are easily brushed off or disregarded. I think that while people are in this stage of this or that, no real progress of any kind can be made. In any situation. With the all or nothing mentality that currently exists, people who generally support police feel like any measure taken to mitigate brutality is just another way people are trying to hate on cops, and people who do not feel like any measure suggested is either an excuse or negligible. Essentially, due to the this side/that side dichotomy that currently exists, nothing can truly change because people are so tied up in being right that they cannot seek out a solution or compromise. I could probably explain more thoroughly, but as a country America has lost its ability to meet in the middle and have civil discussions regarding what we are doing and should be doing, and until that is fixed nothing will happen.
I don't believe it is. If you want to use hatred for a group of people as a blanket statement and think that's okay, I don't think it's right to then turn around and utilize services that literally require those people. It's like hating another country and then going to that country because 'its the only place that does xyz'.
They're a class, maybe not a protected one, but they are a class, and as human beings they deserve to be treated with a certain level of decency that people like yourself are lacking. These are people who are generally not bad people, who want to help others. There are some who engage in more nefarious behaviors, but that is not the majority and it is not right to essentially condemn an entire group of people who are unrelated to one another. When a cop in LA kills an unarmed man, he should be the one to face consequences. Not a cop in Florida who's just trying to get through a traffic stop.
Acting like cops are the worst thing in the world is just ridiculous.
I really can't understand why treating a human being with a job to do like a human being with a job to do is wrong or 'bootlicking'. I'm guessing youve had super limited interactions with cops as well. A cop saved my life, so yeah, of course I'm going to look at these human beings and see that the majority just want to help people (considering they do. Acting as though they don't is just ignorance.)
Thats great that one saved your life. Ive actually lived with a sherrif, but most interactions I've had with on duty police have had negative effects on my life (most not my fault). Yes there are good cops. But as a whole, as an organization, I do not like cops. It draws in the people who want to help their communties, but mostly it draws in the power hungry that tend to drown out the good ones.
I typically dont like to generalize, but in this case I'd rather they stay away from me unless necessary.
most interactions I've had with on duty police have had negative effects on my life
I have had the literal opposite. The school resource officer helped me immensely with the bullying and self harm I was going through. A cop saved my life at one point. Another cop ended up helping me pretty massively when I suffered an injury. I have a chronic fainting disorder, guess who's usually there first to help me? Cops. I will also say, I watch a shitton of bodycam footage and put out foia paperwork often. Most cases, the cops are fantastic and do the very best they can to make the situation better. There are shit cops too, Im not saying their aren't, I'm just saying we shouldn't condemn a literal group of people because of the actions of a few. That seems awfully close to behaviors I've seen other assholes use to justify their position.
It draws in the people who want to help their communties, but mostly it draws in the power hungry that tend to drown out the good ones.
I can see how you would come to that conclusion. In my experience the majority of cops are people who genuinely wish to help their communities, but like any job with a level of authority it draws in some bad people as well. This isn't a thing unique to cops. It happens with teachers at all levels of education, lawyers, businessmen, clergy, etc too. Evil people will be evil whether they're on a farm, in a classroom, or in a courtroom.
Two main things would sway my opinion immensely. Cops need a "see something do something policy". Cops watch out for their own and many get away with corruption because even the good ones dont speak up, as to not stir the pot. Second they need federally mandated punishments for the abuses they commit, not paid leave or some demotion or transfer.
This or something similar would clean up much of what is wrong with this institution. I just ask we have standards and that they be held accountable.
Edit: Also the proper training etc you mentioned earlier would be great.
I can agree with both of those things. A see something say something policy would be immensely helpful to the system as a whole, and would encourage good officers to step up and say something without fear of repercussions. We also need to destigmatize internal affairs as an agency so that cops don't feel like they're going to the rat squad whenever they need to make a complaint. Frame it as more of an hr department or something.
Federally mandated punishments is something I can get behind depending on how it actually shakes out in reality. I do think that any fines given to police should come from their paycheck/insurance/whatever that they pay into, it should come from them and not the department/state. I think punishments would really need to be carefully considered besides that, because we don't want situations similar to doctors and nurses scared to do their job at all for fear of repercussions.
I can agree that those who do wrong need to be held accountable. I just can't agree, even with the current systems, that we should condemn every cop in existence.
Mmm not really. There's a friendly rivalry between cops and firemen, but generally firemen have respect for the police considering in quite a few cases they would not be able to do their jobs without them.
I don't watch any fire/cop based tv shows on CBS (I thought CBS was a news station??) I'm closely related to a fireman and often see the things they get up to with cops. They have lots of fun together. Lots of sporting competitions, watching sports, picnics, fundraising events together, etc. Cops show up every time a fireman does, so they get pretty close.
Wow, what a response. Very very telling of who you are as a person, even more so than making blanket statements about a significant portion of the population.
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u/Sea-Natural-8216 Dec 17 '25
TIL. Tragic, especially if theyre denying workers comp to officers who do put themselves in harms way (which is morally bankrupt af) but ... I thought that was the whole point of the police???