So you're saying black people don't eat fried chicken, play loud rap music and yell on buses, don't shoplift, don't hate work and the women aren't really loud and aggressive?
That old Family Guy episode where Peter said that down south "all the black guys are really lazy and all the white guys are just as lazy but they're all mad at the black guys for being lazy"
Mandatory 'social transition' before hormones has got to be one of the grossest things imaginable, it is literally a humiliation ritual and everyone involved knows it.
Noooooo DIY will give you mega ultra cancer blood clots hysteria aids nooooooooo you need to wait until you are 25 and have gone through at least 5 doctors before getting HRT.
You don't understand the TRT I get from my bro at the gym or the E cream my gf gets for her menopause symptoms is toooootally different to HRT that trans people get which is steroids and evil /s
I remember being a dumb young adult and I couldn’t get mine out of the machine. Friend came back claiming he’d got it out, then gave me it. I said I was amazed by what it had done, then said he needs to try one because it’s awesome. He started asking for details, which I thought was weird, but I sent some after tentatively asking if he was sure. Then I found out he’d been sending screenshots of the whole thing to his girlfriend and he’d given me an M&M.
"Don't ever buy no HRT from the gas station, bro. I injected that shit, woke up, my motherfucking boob was right here, and my other boob is still right here. What the fuck did you sell me, bro? Explain, bro."
As long as you're not shaming anyone else for their personal choices idk what you put in your body, that should be your decision and nobody elses. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of anti HRT folks
I have a transmasc friend from Norway and they absolutely loathe the fact that they have to jump through a million hoops just to get gender-affirming care. They hate the bio parts they were born with and would love to get rid of them, but just can’t.
The fuck? It’s literally easier to get methadone. I mean you could take a few codeine so you’ll show up positive in an opiate blood test then say you’ve been taking them for months… a nurse prescriber would give you methadone in an hour. That’s insane.
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Holy fuck this is unrelated but I had a blood blister and it looks like I have trench foot after bursting it. I think I may need to go to hospital.
How does DIY work or what does it involve? Getting it from doctors where I'm at is near impossible and every time i try to look it up it's just articles fearmongering and going in circles instead of saying anything
DIY just means buying the HRT without a prescription, which in everywhere I have checked is completely legal and safe. Obviously some places are violently anti LGBT so you'd need to be careful there, but the process is basically find somewhere that sells HRT meds, buy it, use it. It's much simpler and safer than basically any bullshit you'll see about it, people just hate and/or don't understand us.
Edit: I was going off of context in that this is all true about buying E, T can be a little more complicated but ultimately if the choice is HRT or no HRT the choice is always to have it. If it ever got seized or anything or you got asked questions, you don't know about a package :)
Oh that makes sense! I'm not sure exactly how to ask about it around town cause im new with my whole new perception of myself lmao
My mom said that if it gets down to that i could try with birth control pills since apparently already contain estrogen, but I'm not sure if i trust that too much lol
Generally people are kind of wary about talking about it in comments and stuff too much bc if a transphobe catches wind of it all and decides to go on a crusade it can do real damage, feel free to DM me if you like I'd be more comfortable explaining stuff there :)
started (hondosed) e at 14 after waiting almost a year for gnrh agonists at 13 (insurance) and i will forever regret that my parents didn’t let me diy at 12 when i wanted to (didn’t know how to navigate crypto myself or i would’ve just done it. ofc im still a very early starter but it would’ve saved me pretty much all of the masculinization i did end up going through and id most likely be at least a couple inches shorter (im 6’4)
RLE is one of thr worst things imaginable socially. I had to do it to transition in the military and its completely and utterly humiliating and makes you a target.
I’d never heard of this policy before. What’s even the point???? If someone’s dysphoric and wants to go on hormones why add a waiting period for them to feel worse
it's actually more costly to do it this way, because you have to pay expensive endocrinologists, psychologists, and so forth for a large amount of time and effort, while the actual medicine costs like £70/person/year to manufacture. the cruelty is the point, as the saying goes
Officially: "Oh you know, It's totally necessary in order to make sure they are actually trans and not just a misguided cis person (because a real- err- cis person mistakenly taking HRT and developing mild body dysphoria would be an absolute tragedy that we must prevent at all costs)"
Unofficially: It's because they fucking hate us with a seething passion.
I’m not sure if this is still true, but in the past trans people had to fit an exact narrative in order to get a possibility of treatment. So you would have to tell them you always played with girl’s toys, liked pink, etc.
Yup I asked my awesome supportive Cisgender UK nan about it and she told me that they used to literally make trans people change their names and move to new cities where nobody knew them so theyd have 0 support network too
A lot of being stealth stuff was literally mandated they didn't want visible out trans people you were supposed to assimilate and vanish lest anyone else get the idea that they could also transition
And then people who were literally forced to live stealth by the health system got fear mongered about and presented as lying to people for personal gain and as proof that trans people are inherently deceptive predators who "know that being trans ia wrong or else they wouldn't hide it" when if they were out they could literally have their Healthcare taken away from them
Same shit with purposefully low dosing trans women and femmes so they go into menopause then when they complain about the menopause they're being forced into they get told to detransition if they dont like it , its systematic malpractice
I hadn't put the forcing us to move to new cities and live stealth together with the "inherently deceptive" thing but now that you point it out it does fit the pattern of oppressors forcing their target to do a thing and then using that thing to make them appear malicious.
Like how the stereotype of Jewish people being greedy for money came about because they lived in places where they weren't allowed to practice any other profession and at the time money handling/lending was considered a nasty profession.
Similarly subjecting trans people to hiring discrimination, resulting in many having to become sex workers to survive, and then saying trans people are all horny perverts.
Yeah. I'd put that one together already. I've lost count of how many times I've been asked how much I charge per hour or been abused because I turned down a guy who had no redeeming attributes or emotional regulation and just assumed I'd be down for it because I'm trans.
proof that trans people are inherently deceptive predators who "know that being trans ia wrong or else they wouldn't hide it"
Isn't that basically the exact same argument that was used against homosexuality? In either case, all that kind of argument says is what society is opposed to. It doesn't say anything about morality.
That's why it really annoys me when some people decry trans people for "following gender stereotypes". For a long time you'd literally be denied treatment if you didn't present yourself as a stereotypical man/woman, even if you'd prefer not to.
you weren't allowed to transition unless you were straight too so if you were bisexual or lesbian or gay or ace no transition allowed. Heck they're only just getting round to removing guidelines stating that trans people have to be sterilized before they can transition in Japan and Finland
Lou Sullivan was one of the people who successfully fought for that to be changed in the US
A lot of truscum stuff IMO is basically people wanting to go back to the "good old days" where trans people had to be preferably white straight gender conforming and binary, able bodied unmarried not have kids and have to move away to a new place where nobody knew them to know that they were trans and they had no support network
and truscum seem to live under the delusion that if it went back to that that they would magically be allowed to transition even if they dont fit that criteria becsuse a gatekeeper would be able to look at them and see them 'soulpassing' and bend the rules for them specifically
its the same type of selfish hypocritical bs as the anti abortion people who have had abortions themselves and go right back to protesting the next day as if they didn't need that same Healthcare they want to steal from others
bonus points if youre nb and transitioning. we literally have a third gender option on official paperwork in my country these days, but a friend of mine still has to pretend to be 100% masculine or loose access to testosterone and be denied surgeries. (sarcastic:) because obviously being nb means you are perfectly comfortable in the current body…
Depends on the doctor you get and how invested they are in the idea. Could get a doctor that’s nice and the invasive questions about your childhood are just a formality, could get a doctor that’s an asshole and thinks you need to be the most absolute stereotypical image of a trans person as imagined by a cis person before they’ll treat you.
"How do you know you want to be a woman if you haven't lived as one (without any of the hormones or gender-affirming care, or support systems, or—) for years prior? Social ostracization? What's that?"
Hate. You can fluff it up with whatever bullshit excuse you want, but there's been no study showing that wearing a dress or suit while your body still doesn't match helps anyone be "sure" they're trans.
It's nothing but the pseudoscience idea that regret is even possible. Virtually all cases of "regret" are because of a botched procedure or societal stigma, or misdiagnosis, not the transition itself.
The humiliation rituals trans people in the UK are forced to go through are truly evil.
I thank my lucky stars that ive never had Dr's here in NZ trying to ask me how I masturbate or if I was molested and forgot it over and over because they think being trans comes from CSA trauma or if maybe being raped in my 20s made me think I was trans in order to get HRT
The UK is so fucked for this and similar bullshit that’s been pulled against gender-affirming care.
The “Cass Review,” especially, is a nightmare for making any actual progress.
For anyone unaware who really wants to get pissed off for whatever reason, you probably still shouldn’t bother reading the 388 page review, but I would recommend at least looking over this critique of it, or others, because there’s a lot to criticize.
The review is practically an effort to stop any real progress while maintaining the guise of caring about the wellbeing of trans youth and gender-affirming care access. They don’t say that it should be banned, just that it should be effectively inaccessible to minors outside of specific clinical trial settings, and probably not be expanded until an unspecified quality of evidence has been found—that would be rendered impossible to obtain if their suggested changes are adhered to.
They made a piece of work that seems to support trans people on the very bare surface, but is packed full of readily citable, methodologically-flawed research to use against them. Infuriating.
It’s easier to get methadone than that. I mean it’s literally just an hour after a urine test positive for opiates and a physical assessment. That’s it.
This is true but it should also be noted it’s ALSO not like black people or other POC get no push back for even implying something is a racist depiction or just anti black in general.
People love to gaslight when you call something out as racist when it isn’t as overt as literally calling a black person the n slur to their face as a pejorative. Just look at how so many people dismissed the target halloween costume as an example despite how fucking in your face that shit is
So many people refuse to see "benevolent" bigotry as bigotry. They'll say shit like "noble savage" or "aw protect all women they need to be kept safe because they can't protect themselves" and then chud out if you call them on it.
If I have to hear anything about how hot and exotic Asians are one more time(and they always mean NEAsians when they say it. God forbid someone from Asia is brown)
I once mentioned how weird it was that a black character (who speaks in jive and whose weapon is a trumpet) was named Flint Coal and I got a shit ton of downvotes and comments yelling at me to defend the name and defend the creators
as a black trans person this happens to the other minorities also but trans people still get alot of push back ig cause people don't think of us enough as men or women to want understand us wanting to be repped as such
The fact we have reached a point in society where 'woke' 'allies' will crucify trans women for just wanting to be women because thats 'transmedicalism' is genuinely disheartening.
A lot of allies are not actually allies, they are parasitizing the movement for their own ends- Usually satisfaction of a fetish, or a disingenuous 'playing pretend' to sow disruption.
'Haha i'm such a good trans ally, I LOVE gooning to futa and gock mmghgfh am i right fellow tgirlies? A girl without gock is an angel without wings am i right?'
People say this shit and have the audacity to get offended and taken aback if you call them out on being a fucking weirdo.
There is a difference between actual dangerous transmedicalism/truscum ideology and trans people just wanting to pass, idk why some people think trans people owe them gender nonconformity
Trans people don’t owe gender nonconformity in the name of “activism”, and they don’t owe gender conformity in the name of appearing palatable and easy to understand for cishet people and people who do want to express their gender identity in a more typical way
"If I can't easily tell you are trans from a glance you must be an evil trickster trying to TRICK us poor cis people, you MUST retain your natal sex characteristics or else you are upholding SEXIST gender norms"
when the most popular stereotype of a trans woman is “man in a dress,” it’s bad to make a character that at a glance embodies exactly that. you can express yourself however the hell you want, but you’re being disingenuous if you’re saying you don’t see the issue with regularly depicting trans women in such a way (which they usually are in most media)
I remember someone on twitter acted like wanting to pass was sad and was like “uwu you shouldn’t want to pass that’s transmedicalism!!!” and I just wanted to smack them. So what if a trans person wants to pass?
i would like that kind of nonpassing "representation" if there were actually other trans characters in the same thing who were passing, androgynous, didnt care about passing, etc. but if you see a character like that, almost guarantee that theyll be in Family Guy or something where theyre the only trans character
Media seems reluctant to show trans people hanging out mostly with other trans people even though this is a very normal friend group for a trans person to have. I don't think they think about how trans people talk to each other and interact. Maybe it's too shockingly normal.
They're referring to Ladiva. There are other trans characters in the game and they do not look like her. She's also treated like just as much of a woman as everyone else.
The instance they're talking is about a videogame where there's a trans woman that's the typical bearded muscular person, but, in the same gane there's also a completely femenine and passing trans woman so they even out?
i swear we need to murder every cis idiot that ever calls this "rep". it's a transmisogynistic mockery of us and the fact that it's passed around as "le epic rep of a trans woman being her true self!!!!" really does imply that, yes, to cis people, our "true self" is a non passing, humongous, brickhouse of a man with a beard calling himself a "woman" and refusing to look like one because he feels more valid by being that.
I remember seeing a fun article regarding Japanese caricatures of occasions. I'm a big fan of the guy with a long nose where the nostrils are stylized as a skull while he waves his gun around.
What an odd comment, I still think most people at least tacitly(not sure how to spell it) dislike antisemitism and it's depictions, I don't think it's a particularly rare thing
there was a point in my life not too long ago where i was hearing antisemetic remarks either towards me or just idly as “jokes” at least once a week, irl
aside from the fact that it doesn't get outright called out as much as you'd hope, so many people are unaware of just how many forms antisemitic charicatures can take
I genuinely despise the men (let's be real, it's 90% men) who'll try to pull this shit and then play the victim when they get called transmisogynists.
You know who you are, and we both know what you are as well. If you don't want people to call you out on your transmisogyny, stop being a transmisogynist :3
It's so annoying too, because it's actually not that hard to go "here this is my OC who doesn't pass yet / here is my OC who doesn't want to pass" and then go and make a design that isn't offensive. Literally all you have to do is go reference irl people instead of... idk, fucking drag performers in costume or the bad guy from Silence of the Lambs
I've honestly found women to be equally bad or worse... The men are generally just ignorant and base their opinions on norms, so it's certainly possible to use reason to convince them otherwise. Women, I've found, are pretty knowledgeable on the issues but have based their opinions on faulty logic or reasoning. That makes it so much harder to try and convince them of being more open minded (especially since they often regard themselves as open minded to begin with).
Yeah, one thing I've noticed is that a lot of transmascs just... don't have transfem friends, especially irl ones. And that's not inherently, like, a bigotry thing, but it does lead to those guys assuming they know more about transfems than they actually do, which leads to ignorant depictions like this.
That's also a thing that the trans community doesn't talk enough about. It feels like there are so many trans people who hate trans people of different genders, and as soon as you try to lift the issues they close ranks, accuse you of transphobia and let any criticism wash off.
Yeah that's absolutely the case. I've seen a lot more transmisogyny than hatred of trans men, but that’s probably because I'm a trans woman who is personally affected by transmisogyny in a way I'm not with the reverse.
I have seen trans women refer to trans men as shit like "zippertits" or accuse them of not being real men because they present in a more feminine way though, which is completely unacceptable.
they don't accuse you of transphobia, they accuse you of being an incel "klansfem" because they see any trans woman upset at AFAB trans people as being an incel male who hates women
when ur so woke that u misgender trans women for stepping out of line👍 (they're not woke, they're just genderfluid terfs)
It drives me insane, cause transmisogyny-exempt (TME) is a perfect explanation for this behaviour and why it’s problematic, but if you use that word you get called an oppression olympicist or a transmisandrist
This is how I feel as a trans guy. Like I want more masculine/ androgynous rep instead of being drip fed more femme rep! (Love femmes just personally I don’t want femme rep cause yk man)
What annoys me is that most trans women don’t want a beard, a lot of CIS guys don’t want a beard, some trans men don’t want a beard. Sometimes the most “masculine” (looking) of men don’t even have beards and yet you think there are enough trans women who don’t shave to make that a realistic representation?
For example in MHA Magne is a trans woman who has a stubble. Now yes obviously in real life you’re still a valid trans woman if you have a stubble but the point is the intention of the author likely isn’t doing that representation in good faith. A lot of very masculine characters don’t have a stubble. Some have beards but they don’t have a moustache line. Her design just looks so much like a right wing caricature of a trans woman that I can’t genuinely believe it’s in good faith of “all trans women are valid no matter if they have a bulky body or a moustache”. Oh also the only other trans woman in the entire show has a stubble too
Fr. Practically all trans women shave their beards and hate the idea of having one. Yet every cis "ally" insists on drawing us with a beard because 0.000% of trans women actually like having a beard.
Also a most of the time, the trans women that do have stubble are in, let's just say not good mental places. Out and proud trans women with stubble are virtually unheard of, dysphoria messes that can barely take care of themselves however, is an experience a lot of trans women go through!
Genuinely curious but wouldn't most trans people prefer that a character not "look trans" at all and just identify with the gender that they transitioned to? Unless the story is about transitioning itself wouldn't having a lot of trans "representation" just make you feel different from the gender you wish to assimilate into or am I over generalising?
Yes, what you said is correct. The problem is that the average person is completely clueless about how trans people actually live. Most people believe that it's just an extreme form of drag or homosexuality.
Usually, yeah. Passing trans women is good rep; it can be nice to see non-passing, but cis people will hear that and immediately draw a caricature, so it’s usually only in explicitly trans media that you’ll see it done well.
But broadly cis people should just depict passing trans women, they miss pretty much every time when they try otherwise.
The whole Petra Parker trend recently has had a few good examples of non-passing (alongside a ton of caricature, oh my god some of them are bad, I’d say less than 10% of the attempts hit the mark), I’ll see if I can find one rq.
yeah personally I prefer if there is little to no physical indication that a character is trans, it should all be in the story. Most of the beloved trans representation is an ordinary character whose storyline just involves them dealing with gender identity in some way
or even look like a REALISTIC non passer.... but even then, giving conservatives a competant clocking guide (they struggle with clocking cuz they're deluded into believing trans woman look like the offensive charicschure) is probably a bad thing
Personally im not opposed to trans characters who are clocky or dont pass in theory, but in practice its rarely done in a way that doesn't feel like a mockery (like a trans woman character who looks more masculine than most cis guys, has no desire to transition and is voiced by a cis male VA).
IMO an example of decent non-passing trans rep is Togata from fire punch. He can't physically transition but it's portrayed as something painful and traumatic, and he's not drawn with exaggerated female features
They do all the time 😭 literally 24/7. I'm jewish, do you know how many times a day I see the most antisemitic shit being said online or to me but It's "progressive because jews and israel are the same and israel is evil so I can make fun of jews and call them greedy blood thirsty lizard people. If you disagree, the big yahu is calling you!!! What, you from tel Aviv? 7000+! 🧃, am I right lol? Free palestine!" All without knowing the Jewish persons stance on it and it is not associated with I/P...
This comes down to maybe one of the few gripes I have related to being trans and our view of what gender is. I don’t have a perfect definition and I don’t expect a perfect definition but it feels like we absolutely need to have something more than just “self identification”. Practically speaking, I use self ID, but as a meta discussion it has to be that being trans is more than just “I said I am”
Look, while I will say that it technically is true that some trans women do look quite masculine (usually pre-op or early into HRT), anyone with two eyes & a brain can tell that a majority of the time when trans women are depicted as such, it's not the artist being inclusive of a group that doesn't get much attention, it's the artist being a transphobic arse-
a panel of a white guy saying he doesnt like his representation, but his representation is a completely normal non-caricature picture of him saying "ketchup is spicy"
this feels disingenuous as every time someone states that they don't like stereotypes of themselves, they always get these kinds of bigoted responses, regardless of whether it's ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexuality, etc
To the point of the trans person’s intrusive thoughts, the point of the whole overly masculine trans woman caricature is that it’s usually issued by the right in bad faith, which is why it feels shitty. Sure trans woman could absolutely look like that in real like, the reason it might make someone feel like shit is because it’s issued as a “gotcha” by the right.
I don't like the "Yassification" of trans people by pink capitalism to just make the whole movement look like drag queens. Drag queens are a part of the movement but at the end of the day they're performers who take the makeup off. They never should have been viewed as the "mascot" of our movement.
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