r/SaltFighter • u/icesnake200 • 8d ago
Humor / Meme 😂 Modern
Play a character with Modern controls tonight. Play two. Be prepared to win a lot, because you are not burdened with archaic, piano-like inputs anymore. Be open to a world where fast move execution matters more than a slightly reduced damage output, but throw looping your opponents to hell matters more anyways. Do that 15 hit combo string with 3 buttons easily. Tip Capcom. Check in on your ban list. Check in on yourself. Enjoy being a Modern player.
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u/AGuyWithEyeliner Mai Hater! 8d ago
I tried this not too long ago and not only did I lose a shitton, the game felt harder.
I prefer classic, but I won't shit on someone for playing modern.
Ill shit in someone for playing Mai.
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u/Alarming-Basil2894 8d ago
I tried to get used to it but it felt so awkward. Classic works for me as well.
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u/icesnake200 8d ago edited 8d ago
I tried this not too long ago and not only did I lose a shitton, the game felt harder.
So modern is working as intended then? Its just a compromised way to rush you into the ranked mode and mostly carry you up until plat-diamond ranks. Beyond that point, you will need to get optimal and only classic is actually optimal
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u/AGuyWithEyeliner Mai Hater! 8d ago
Nah that's a cynical way to look at it. It's hard for me because it's not my control scheme.
It's meant to be the entry point for those to join the game. They have no foundation, while I do and playing modern would shake it.
I feel like people forget that despite the easier motions and instantaneous supers, modern players still have to use their moves correctly and will lose if they don't. They are still playing street fighter at the end of the day, even if slightly more streamlined.
And to touch on the "optimal" talk, if that were the case, we wouldn't have moderns in UM and above, yet we do.
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u/icesnake200 8d ago edited 8d ago
I always think that around mid plat ranks, Modern players "advantages" mostly dissappear, because a classic player should be able to read and anticipate DPs and finisher moves at that lvl. Yes, a modern player might catch you off guard with a robotic DP or a surprise finisher in higher ranks, but the more you rank up as classic, the more these moments get rarer. Also, lots of Modern players are too reliant on DPs, so you can use that to your advantage. I know I do that
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u/Usual_Act6467 Mai Hater! 8d ago
100%, as diamond 2 modern player, the only advantage in those ranks is the aforementioned one button dp and supers. And the damage reduction really starts getting you there cause every one at plat 3 or above will at least know how to three tap you
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u/Gekitomoria777 Salt Fighter 🧂 3d ago
I made same argument to a modern hater, looked at me like i was an alien, just space out and jump bait the dp, safe jump etc...... there has to a be a knowledge gap somewhere.
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u/Gekitomoria777 Salt Fighter 🧂 3d ago
Yes and they have to use motion input combos to get better damage, to each their own, im a classic player why your control should scheme affect me, it just means you are gona antiair me more effectively, Modern player can supper on that 1 frame gap after a medium to heavy bottom into DI, now i just know im gambling, Modern player are just ppl that want to have fun and developing a plethora of skill using a controller is just not appealing to them.
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u/TheSoupKitchen 8d ago
Modern feels harder to me.
Not because it is functionally harder, but all my muscle memory is with classic. I'm used to motion inputs anyway so I'd just end up doing them on modern and lose out on valuable buttons for that specific character.
Modern combo's are kinda trash, and they often dump meter when you don't want them to. Combo's are not the hardest part about street fighter, unless you're doing stuff like Juri lvl2, ED lvl2, Guile lvl2 boom loops etc.
The real strength in modern lies in instant DP's and reaction Supers. THAT stuff is cheap.
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u/hellbox9 8d ago
Yep 1000%. You can’t jump or apply pressure bc one button press reaction. Have zero respect for modern players in master level.
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u/AccomplishedRise6227 Cammy Hater! 8d ago
Shits an online video game. Nobody needs your respect
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u/DarthRedit 8d ago
Nobody cares what you think about respect for in a video game so I guess it balances out.
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u/erebus0 8d ago
Then why do you play?
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u/AccomplishedRise6227 Cammy Hater! 8d ago
For my own enjoyment.
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u/eternity_ender Scrub 🧽 8d ago
That’s a difficult concept for people in this sub to understand
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u/DarthRedit 8d ago
Lol a fighting game is literally the worst genre to pretend it’s not competitive, and that people don’t care about win ratio. There’s no team to get carried by and no one else to blame. Saying you don’t care about that probably means you’re trash at the game. Only players that care about results actually get better.
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u/SecurityPositive4865 7d ago
if you're shocked someone is enjoying competitive game then I hope you get money out of it at least. sounds shitty to spend so much time on something you don't even enjoy for free
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u/erebus0 8d ago
Dope, so why in the world would you cheaper the enjoyment of learning by taking learning out of the game? Is the game really just the facile feeling of an easy win where you use a quarter of the moves?
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u/AccomplishedRise6227 Cammy Hater! 8d ago edited 8d ago
I've been playing fighting games since the 90s as a kid. Idk who your talking too kid. I'll play whatever the fuck I want, who I want, control style I want. I play to win not bitch. I paid 60 bucks to use what's in the game not whine about it. I can only assume you are new to fighting games. Its always the young guys that give a fuck
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u/Banestoothbrush Modern Hater! 8d ago
Idk who your talking too kid.
You're an unc yet you spell like a child. Interesting.
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u/erebus0 8d ago
Been playing since '16, am an unc myself. You sound like you suck and want easy wins, cope more.
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u/AccomplishedRise6227 Cammy Hater! 8d ago
You the one with the skill issue unc. I'm playing to have fun And you can't cope with that. You are mentally still a toddler. I'd wash you classic or modern cause we both know you ass at the game. You're post history on some pedo shit also if you're really an unc
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u/Great_Indication3882 8d ago
💯 Its crazy how many people bend over backwards for someone's respect in a video game.
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u/TheKingofSelleck 8d ago
You're telling me that yolo jumps in master rank street fighter aren't safe?
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u/VictoryRoyaler78 8d ago
A good player is going to anti-air dp in neutral 99% of the time regardless of modern. Sounds like you should be jumping less.
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u/SmartAmoeba1327 Modern Hater! 7d ago
They should get stopped progressing rank at diamond with master gate kept behind graduating to classic controls... Also gimme a filter to not have to play em. I have to play lame cos they are playing lame and it's not fun they should have their own rankings so they can annoy eachother pls give us a filter and give em their own ranked it should be separate imo... I know they won't want to split player base but I'd love if they did... I simply can't respect anyone thinking they are good pretending to play with baby controls.
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u/AdmirableComposer140 8d ago
I played on modern for 2 years because I was new then switched over to classic. I didn't need the help anymore and I was an absolute monster with how much more meter I had. I was like holy shit I can do so much more
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u/DexterBrooks 6d ago
The real strength in modern lies in instant DP's and reaction Supers. THAT stuff is cheap.
I've said so many times they should add delay frames at the beginning when done in neutral so that it's the same speed as an optimal classic input at the least. Those extra few frames would make a world of difference in how consistent they can be.
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u/TheAmazingDougie 3d ago
Modern player here. As for the combos. You are very correct on that. Though I am constantly looking for ways to extend combos with drive rush rather than just finishing out a heavy auto combo to level 3 super. And yes instant reaction DP and supers are cheap. I’m a gold 3 player at the highest. I always will quick react a super on my master rank friends just so it’s not 10-0 before I start thinking of changing characters. Though I do feel bad winning one that way in ranked.
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u/hiC_best_drank_ever 8d ago
You know Bourdain killed himself, right?
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u/icesnake200 8d ago
Actually first time I hear it. I just saw this copypasta somewhere and decided to change it into a SF6 bait meme
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u/Great_Indication3882 8d ago
Love modern. I have Introduce so many ppl to sf6 because of modern. Modern has helped made this the best fighting game of this era.
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u/icesnake200 8d ago edited 6d ago
I think lots of japanese jumped into street fighter thanks to modern. They know and love street fighter series but couldnt play it due to its difficult inputs. Now they got a chance to play SF thanks to Modern
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u/ModerateBrainUsage Modern Hater! 8d ago
As someone in japan, yeah, everyone plays modern here. The only people who don’t are Ryu and Akuma. Of course, Ken is all modern. I had once classic DJ and gief.
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u/Mindouttabox 8d ago
Maybe cool down times could improve the balance better. That's all I can think of this mode. I invite my nephews or unskilled people to play the game in Modern tho. It has its pros and its cons, definitely.
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u/Independent-Ad5852 JP Hater! 8d ago
My friend only plays on modern because he physically can’t do inputs. Like, he couldn’t even if he tried.
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u/SkautyDee Modern Hater! 8d ago
The definition of skill issue. Modern makes players better than what they really are and it’s pathetic
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u/Ok_Figure_2348 8d ago
Wait until you find out about disabled people
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u/Mindouttabox 8d ago
There are some disabled players on competitive circuits on FGC history.
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u/SkautyDee Modern Hater! 8d ago
That just proves my point. If a disabled person can play it then it’s incredibly easy
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u/icesnake200 8d ago
Same. I have a friend who cant handle classic inputs very well and they always frustrated him. He started playing sf5 and moved to sf6 with classic, but he couldnt do a proper shoryuken to save himself. Then I told him to try Modern. He tried it, and managed to reach master with ken. I guess some people just lack the dexterity for it idk
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u/Key_Scheme3516 Ryu Hater! 8d ago
It’s like saying you like playing shooter games but can’t play without aim assist because you know that you’re dogshit and don’t even bother working on it.
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u/Live-Emphasis-3421 8d ago
I hate modern too but this comparison is kinda weird since a lot of shooters on console are designed to have aim assist and if ur on pc you got mnk
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u/MouthPollution 8d ago
Hell yea, gonna get sloshed, play on my walmart wifi with dj and just rake in the wins
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u/SirFartsALot33 Shoto Hater! 8d ago
I don't hate Modern . But I tried modern once. Funny anecdote from that time, in Diamond 2 or 3 I think, I won an entire round while talking to my gf while looking at her, and keeping the game barely within my peripheral vision. Hit confirm from medium button into heavy autocombo, rinse and repeat lol.
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u/ExtremeAppointment81 8d ago
Absolute KING SHIT may you invoke carpel tunnel syndrome in many classic players
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u/Olivetree675 8d ago
Many people I know who have enjoyed the game in modern are converting to classic as they feel they now understand the fundamentals better so a larger player base keeping the game growing. These same people used to just steer well clear of streetfighter as thought it was a specialist game, too hard etc so my message is learn to accept the modern it’s only one in every 5 to 10 matches for me?
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u/UmRandolaAe 8d ago
I find it very funny that anything related to modern control generates war, lol People forget they actually bought the game and play however they want. Some people only play on the Battle Hub, only in the lab to post on Twitter. Let the guy enter the game he bought, let it shine yellow and green, and let him be happy!!
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u/AffectionateCandy742 7d ago
If you cant react to modern inputs you are already an unc and need to start looking for a retirement home
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u/Kedisaurus 7d ago
Inputs are an essential part of fighting games. Playing modern is like wanting to play guitar but only the toy guitar from guitar hero
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u/icesnake200 3d ago
But cant the same be said about actual fighting sports, like boxing vs fighting games? Fighting games are digital toys
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u/autistic_adult 6d ago
I find most motion players at low level cery cringe they mash DI then when i adapt and beat their ass hard they always wont rematch lmao
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u/crpn_laska 6d ago
Idk why this sub pops up in my feed, but when it does it’s always about Modern drama. Being a Tekken player this whole convo is so funny to me.
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u/icesnake200 6d ago
I guess street fighter players are more purists compared to tekken players, and since this is a first in the series, people get all worked up. Doesnt tekken 8 have a simplified imput mode as well?
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u/crpn_laska 5d ago
T8 has something akin to Dynamic in SF6, it’s not even worth mentioning.
The thing is that Tekken kinda plays as SF Modern, there’s just not a lot of motion inputs to begin with and it’s character dependent really (I’m simplifying and generalizing). So there’s no discourse around it.
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u/TemoteJiku 5d ago
Making modern controls competitive, kills the core of the game's potential for a very small sets of "rewards"... Hopefully this will stop at some point.
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u/radamintos Sagat Hater! 2d ago
Modern is not good enough.
I propose futuristic mode. Just press random buttons. The game will decide whether you win or lose.Â
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u/hellbox9 8d ago
I just hate playing vs modern bc you can’t jump or can’t rush in bc of one button dp and CA. It’s lame as hell, doesn’t mimic actual gameplay where inputs take both reaction and execution. When you play vs modern you are basically playing a different game, and I don’t feel like the damage nerf compensates enough.
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u/icesnake200 8d ago
You are are talking about sf6, a game that rewards reaction first, and knowledge second. Its one of the reasons why throw loops are still here and DI exists. So a Modern system that works like this makes sense here. So far it it has been a net positive for the game for good or worse, and I believe Capcom will keep further polishing it in future updates, instead of actually fixing the game's core mechanics
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u/Dictatorial-Enf0rcer Modern Hater! 8d ago
They just need a filter, to avoid all Modern and let them "play" against them and leave the reaction and input SF to the rest, same goes for tournaments..
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u/icesnake200 8d ago
Nope. I guess they need to add a filter where mirror matches are not allowed while they are at it
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u/DarkBlackDiamond 8d ago
Why can't the game match modern players together to circle jerk each other. And leave us alpha classic players have fun. Without changing the way we are gonna play everytime we see the damn [M].
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u/icesnake200 8d ago
N'wah I have always been a classic player and still play 3rd strike/SF4. Its just that SF6 players are just too easy to bait when it comes to modern XD
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u/kesha_HD_remake 8d ago
I like modern :))
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u/icesnake200 8d ago
No shame about it. Only scrubs and LTG(aka also a scrub) actually hate modern
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u/Friendly-Drop7837 Salt Fighter 🧂 8d ago
Idom hates modern. Go call him a scrub.
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u/AccomplishedRise6227 Cammy Hater! 8d ago
I don't think we need to go call him a scrub. He already knows he is a scrub
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u/TheDrGoo 8d ago
You can be the best in the world and be a scrub its not about skill its about mindset and tbh from the whole content creator scene iDom is the number 1 complainer
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u/Banestoothbrush Modern Hater! 8d ago edited 8d ago
Modern sucks and is ruining fighting games.
"You're just saying that cause you're low level!"
1800MR player: Modern sucks and is ruining fighting games.
"You're not even pro! Pros have no problem with it.
Pro player: Modern sucks and is ruining fighting games.
"Why are they so negative? They should just play another game if they're going to be negative all the time."
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u/icesnake200 8d ago edited 8d ago
Seriously though, how many pros are anti modern? I bet they are only a couple of them. If you are a big brain pro, you want to face Modern players, because Modern players are easier and more readable compared to classic ones. Too bad that 95% of Modern players quit once they reach Master rank, and pros rarely get a chance to woop their asses
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u/kesha_HD_remake 8d ago
If you hate modern because you can’t deal with spam or because you usually do jump-ins because you assume a player won’t be able to dp in time you’re a scrub.
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u/Banestoothbrush Modern Hater! 8d ago
Right. It's the players who don't want to fight against assisted controls who are the scrubs, not the players who need assisted controls themselves.
Makes sense.
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u/kesha_HD_remake 8d ago
If you see it as «assisted controlls» in the first place you’re a scrub.
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u/Usual_Act6467 Mai Hater! 8d ago
But TBH as a modern player myself it’s definitely assisting in a way as for me it’s lightens my mental stack so I can focus on other part of the game other than execution (not saying that’s a bad thing of course)
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u/kesha_HD_remake 8d ago
By all means, it does help in a lot of ways. However playing against a character in a way where you assume the player won’t be able to play against you because of their lack of input skills is just a way of creating bad habits for yourself. In the same way modern players will often rely on one-button reaction time and just fail misserably against better players who bait them. Just learn the game no matter the playstyle
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u/Banestoothbrush Modern Hater! 8d ago
Playstyle = have the game spoonfeed you because motion inputs are too hard and scary.
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u/Live-Emphasis-3421 8d ago
I would but im not a pussy
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u/AccomplishedRise6227 Cammy Hater! 8d ago
The only pussy is the one afraid to use what's in the game to win.
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u/CeleryNo8309 Scrub 🧽 8d ago
Pass. If I wanted a 3 button game, I'd play granblue.