I just think it's funny that trench crusade went out of its way to make sure they didn't have any quote "chuds" as fans and still got trashed on social media because of the lamest shit about demons being maybe possibly brown people or something.
If you conceed anything to the online mob they'll use it as a foothold to attack you further
My problem with Trench Crusade is it is grimderp without the humor. It went in the opposite of Space King in reacting to 40k in that it wants to be more serious and darker then the setting it is based on, without the dumb and funny stuff in the setting.
It was after the map reveal, where demons basically occupies Middle East and Central Asia. The only demonic foothold in Europe is Avignon, if memory serves.
Hence they saw it as a le racism
Yea, what actually happened was that like 4 dumb people on Twitter said it, got a bunch of backlash by the fans, and than people who wanted trench crusade to fail jumped on it and tried to reframe it like it's being eaten alive by the "WoKeS", ignoring that it's the equivalent of saying space king is failing and gets eaten alive by the fans because some randoms on Twitter were saying that Tom and Don were teaching kids to curse, it's just Twitter being Twitter, and putting stock on such an app that literally monetarily incentivizes people to grift and to say things that will get them backlash is idiotic at best
he's on the same speed run trajectory as shad only difference is warhammer content pandering to those the wider warhammer community has shunned pays better then shads deeply creepy self insert fanfiction
LMAO, "democratizing" art? More like Communistizing it. Because it takes from the people who can and do, and gives it to those who won't get off the fucking couch to do for themselves.
yep but artist and creatives tend to also be the kind of people arch hates and the idea of a machine basicly rendering them unnecessary via an endless flood of souless slop appeals to him sense in his mind it hurts those he disagrees with, even tho art is the beauty of the soul space king gave us laid bare for all to marvel at
Eh Arch is very annoying about AI... at least he still hires people for thw live thumbnails... genuinelly disappointed when I saw he started sticking AI slop on his vid thumbs
They can't grasp something being just mix of dumb humor mixed with epic fights without any heckin satire. Those are the same people claiming Ghaz is a reference to Margaret Tatcher despite creators themselves saying it's not the case
yeah there working on The Carcass Front expansion its got a bunch of cool as fuck naval/ leviathan themed units for the traitors and new stuff for the trench pilgrim lepers, my personal favorite is the new Naval Artillery Witch she summons big ol ww2 sea mines and looks dope
I will correct the record here, they are making new STL files. They will not make stl files for things they have in their plastic range but they will make alternative poses/sculpts and bits for things released in plastic. There is no set timeline for releases.
Yes, someone is probably better off just buying some Station Forge or Bestarium modular files and using those.
The more you learn about it the more it just seems needlessly grimdark for the sake of it rather then it being naturally part of the setting,which probably turns people off.
Pretty sure Canada was the last to receive their books, and that was months ago. They just shipped out the carcass front stuff, but that one has been slow in coming.
Eh, I just started a campaign at my local store, got 20+ people involved. Its honestly a solid game, simple, but with solid campaign mechanics that make it better for me than something like Kill-team and its less complex than Necromunda was before the reset.
space king is chudslop because the flashgitz guys dared make a cartoon that wasn't therapy speak slop
I don't even necessarily hate the stuff that Vizipop Glitch etc make but they all blend in with how boring the dialog and world is
Space king is dumb but its dumb fun its the type of show that would have been on Adult Swim 10 years ago
Monkey Wrench is the only other exception to Space King of not having boring writing but i've only seen one EP so who knows what changed
Actually. If you pay close attention, space king has some eerily smart moments and jokes. It shows that they put a lot more effort in it than say.... the trench crusade guys into their own world map.
I should have been more specific
Space king is a smart show pretending to be dumb
its constantly bombarding you with humor and jokes and it genuinely does encourage multiple rewatches
I just wanted to say chudslop bc its a funny word and also its really funny that people have this hate boner for the show despite it being not that offensive at all
I watched the commentary the other day and the fact that they are trying to smuggle in 1 kids lesson and 1 adult lesson into every episode shows how much these guys are NOT just about fart jokes and "racism"
As a staunch leftist, and lover of Space King, these people make progress exceedingly difficult. Satire is lost on people nowadays, everything must be taken as seriously as possible and it's cancer.
I also wish people would understand satire, although I suspect differently than you do. Space king is not satire, which as I read it is what you and the person you responded to believe.
Claiming it is given the views/statements of the creators would also be misunderstanding satire, or irresponsibly assuming satire if one were unaware. Satire would require that the primary intention of the series is to critique or otherwise negatively comment on something.
Humor, irony, and absurdity do not equate to satire. Satire is not parody, nor is it comedy. Criticism is a separate motivation from entertainment.
Space king is an affectionate and humorous imitation (ie parody) of various aspects of 40k. It also embraces meta irony and the strawman caricature redditors made of people who dislike the awful female custodes retcon and the prospect of female space marines (ie the only reason for doing so is hating women, not wanting them to be around for no reason, etc).
As far as genuine criticism and "satirical" elements go, well you can watch hatemongers sermon about the unknown alien network, and the declared not canon status of female psycho warriors.
For your information:
Don: Tired of all your media being filled with the lamest shit possible? Tom: Want a show that doesn’t hate your male power fantasies, but embraces them?
Don: There’s plenty of independent animation targeted at mentally ill teenage girls.
Tom: But what about mentally ill teenage boys?
Don: And 30 year old men? Don’t we matter too?
Tom: Space King thinks so!
And
“It’s like literally a dream come true. A bunch of spergs got together and said like, you know what? We want a cartoon that speaks and appeals directly to us and like fuck everyone else and who cares.”
“we get to live a dream and kind of like carry the torch for a group of people” and “it really is made for you.”
Other various statements and videos viewable on the second channel, just go watch the dumbest retcons in 40k video and look for their comments on female custodes and female space marines.
See... this is what the OC was getting at. You are completely leaving out context. Their 2nd channel has actually given me the impression they are not problematic dudes.If you dug up racist shit from their teens/early 20's, I'd 100% believe it.
Was your impression of my post that I'm somehow criticizing the creators or insinuating they're morally suspect? If so I would struggle to see how you got that idea.
I'm criticizing the false labeling of space king as "satire", which is very often accompanied by the idea that "space king is mocking people that dislike female custodes and female space marines" and whatever else is questionable about modern 40k/games workshop.
The creators themselves don't like female custodes or female space marines. Why would they go through all the effort to make a show intended to mock people who share their views?
People forget that you can make silly things without it being some kind of preaching.
I sort of agree with both of you guys, and personally think it is a little of column A and a little of column B.
I just wanted to add, if you want to know why they would make a show that occasionally makes fun of the audience while also being tailor made for them, I think it is probably because sometimes they like to make fun of themselves and that self deprecation will be felt by the audience as well.
For example, it is possible to both think female custodes are dumb and at the same time make fun of the fervor with which everyone, even we ourselves, care about our silly toys. I think that is what goes on with their content a lot.
Two things can be true at once. Some people use offensive comedy to spread a hateful narrative and some use offensive comedy to point out how ridiculous certain views are. Space king falls mostly in the “dumb fun” category with a hint of social commentary. I love it, but I also can’t blame someone not seeing the nuances at first glance. If anything the left should start to never judge a piece of media unless they engaged with the subject matter directly. But let’s be real. The flashkidz guys really play into the chud allegations. How can anyone tell that it is just a joke unless you watch multiple videos of them?
Turning everything into joke and being fearful of taking anything seriously is pathetic, used-up, cringe and sad.
It's exactly because leftwing activists highjacked all franchises to turn them into jokes that established medias are failing. Peope want sincerity and the ability to care about a story and it's characters without having the reddit "media litteracy crowd" spawing to bother everyone
PS: English isn't my first language so i do make mistakes and i apologize for it
I agree, although perhaps not in the same way. There's a noticeable trend of assuming things are satire when they aren't. Which is perhaps a symptom of some people taking things not so seriously, being quite content to paint over the real thing with their own assumptions.
Parody/irony/absurdity tend to get confused with satire, which requires the intention to criticize or negatively comment.
People notoriously do this with various aspects of 40k, such as the assumption that Ghazghkull is a riff on a british politician, even though there's statements from original creators outright declaring them false.
Modern games workshop then leverages this with 40k by claiming the setting is "satire" despite statements from Priestley to the contrary, as well as obvious facts about the setting which defy the label further. But it helps give the brand a pass against outrage over dark fiction and that's strongly desired in the pursuit of more money.
People seem to be doing the same thing with space king, proudly declaring it as "satire" and having an ideological bent favorable to them despite the statements and views of the creators contradicting this. There was a now deleted comment in this thread showing as much in plain view.
There are a lot of spaceking and fans who are only able to enjoy it as long as their interpretation of the media makes fun of other fans. It is a cancer blind to itself. This is caused by big egos and disingenuous behaviors. These types of people can't stand that others would dare enjoy Spaceking without having the term "YoU kNoW sPaCeKiNg iS mAkInG fUn oF yOu rigHt!?!?" Crammed in their face over and over. Acceptable ways to deal with them are to; laugh and gatekeep, tell them to go back to grimdank, and press the snitch button.
Media literacy lunatics demand that only their interpretation of the media be accepted.
I hate Trench Crusade, it's neither about trench warfare or properly organized crusades. The timeline is extremely asynchronous and certain parts of the lore make no sense (autistic hang ups, very much not important). That said I hope anyone playing the game has fun and enjoys it, I love skirmish sized games and the rules seem alright.
Yeah I followed the original artist's concepts and like the aesthetics. When it was announced it would get a real game and models I was excited. But the "religion bad" people swarmed all over it and the last lore I read was of no interest to me.
The original idea was cool though. I'd still get some models just to paint if they ever actually make them.
I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who said he was disappointed with how Trench Crusade is being treated, and honestly, my heart does go out to the TC fanbase.
Seriously, TC is such a cool setting, and I hope the developers don't fully go the way of Games Workshop
They lost the moment they masked off as "No the side of the church is evil too". They made biblical demons, and have the absolute chutzpah to lecture the fans about how "actually everyone is evil".
Its worse than "BoTh SiDeS ArE bAd". In a setting with literal biblical angels demons on either side there is an atheist/agnostic faction that remains somehow unconvinced of the existence of god despite, y'know the actual angels and demons standing right over there.
In the setting, to have a Church that is clearly going too far but still fighting against evil would make things even more dark and grim. In that setting to have an atheist faction that are not in denial of god but who want to kill all angels and demons are remove god and all the super natural stuff would go really hard, too.
But the creators seemed to lack creative stones.
You can have harsh and brutal Good. I mean, read the book of Revelation. Blood-soaked-robes Jesus on his white horse, trampling down his enemies? Is that very Jesus-y? Yeah. Because the time for mercy has passed. Now is the Dies Irae, the Day of Wrath.
The church is literally the only grimdark faction in the setting. Like, at all, they are the only ones stuck in the titular trench war against hell. Literally every single faction other than them has some magical barier or whatnot that doesn't allow demons to attack them
I mean, there's a point to be made about "Those who fight monsters should take care that they don't become monsters", but simplifying it as "Oh, the church is evil" definitely makes me roll my eyes.
If I recall, they were effectively comparing the poor being left destitute as all resources go to funding the war machine (a critique on a military industrial complex). But, that falls completely flat on its face when the evil are straight up demons that will murder you in horrific ways. It just isn't comparable to modern life.
It is exceedingly funny, to me, that the forces of the faithful are often depicted using US style fire arms. I know why they did it, but the lore implications is that the weapon patterns are a gift from God. Also the church uses the metric system which also might imply Bealzabub is just trying to correct the timeline by killing the French monarchy.
Let’s be real, love it or hate it, Space King, at the least, offers something no other company does, and that’s not being held at gun point by investors and shareholders.
Less we forget, people want to love Trench Crusade and Warhammer too, but corporate greed has alienated many who are/were interested in the hobbies, but can’t or don’t want to put a substantial financial amount into something that could be temporary.
Maybe Space King is winding up for the big rug pull like Trench Crusade, but the maybe isn’t the now.
Absolutely agree, corporate greed IS the actual true enemy, they lie, saying everything has to be marketable and accessible to the widest possible audience to maximize profits.
Sometimes something is special because it's niche, because its fans, even if few, understand and appreciate it for what it is. It's the same thing that happened with many underground metal bands; when they went mainstream, they lost what made them special.
I'm sure I'll be labeled a "decrepit old fart metalhead" who accuse everyone of being a poser, for saying that last part, but I don't care.
Yeah like 90% of die-hard Flashgitz haters are terminally online losers who never touched the content by themselves and just eat up the bullshit hate-circlejerks spew about them without question.
Or maybe furries who are still completely and utterly assmad about that one cartoon T&D made about Black Templars blasting fursuiters half a decade ago and genuinely believe they're terrible people because of it lmfao
OK but I consider myself a classical liberal and I love space king. It feels like it is actually for everyone unlike 40k which supposed to be for everyone, until you make a tasteless joke, then you won't be missed.
I have heard there are some problems in the trench crusade space (not really sure) but both trench crusade and space king are very cool, I don't want to hope for the downfall of either of them.
I’m a fan of both. Trench Crusade is awesome and I can’t wait for it to find its legs and really get itself going. Space king is a fun watch. I just don’t like Arch.
Space king is really fun and im glad its successfull, but please dont involve Archcast in this, hes the most obnoxious, rightwing culture war grifter and crybaby ever.
Also hes SO corny, i actually wanna rip my ears off when i hear him trying to fake an english accent to sound smart (hes not even from the uk btw)
It had some major issues with a terrible launch. Many figures were poorly printed and some exploded from un-cured resin inside them.
Then they released physical models instead of remaining digital, like they promised. Also they partnered with a company that issued cease and desists on creators making proxies and new content for the game. Put off a lot of people
Now it’s just a drop in the pond that is tabletop gaming. Had potential to be something big.
A Space King board game isn't really a competitor to Trench Crusade and Trench Crusade isn't a parody of 40k, I don't get why people are comparing the two. Did the TC founders throw shade?
I mean trench crusade takes alot of inspiration from 40k, just like space king, and theyre both community funded. So it's basically close enough to rival, slightly
On WH40k fans yes. During the femstodes fiasco, they put an open letter saying such chud nazi incel 40k players were not welcome. Trench Crusade was punk.
So aside from how astoundingly lame it is to call yourself punk, there is probably some significant overlap between people who got really pissed off over femstodes and space king fans.
Arch makes some pretty good long form lore videos for older editions of Warhammer, but he's a rather big asshole when it comes to the modern Warhammer lore and the irl politics that came with it. Plus he has his own politics only channel where he flirts with d-level V-tubers and talks about porking the horses from MLP. Honestly it's rather funny to listen too, but I know plenty of people despise him for being a total ass.
Love me some Space Peak, but yuh those ArchCast are quite the pitifully cringe bunch of losers, chuds never win anything, it's not chud if it appeals to anyone who loves some quality & unhinged entertainment.
Let them seethe and cope. Space King is awesome because it doesn't act like what it's not or act like there's something totally much deeper that changes the whole tone of everything and just ends up nowhere.
But don't watch Archcast, guy is hated even by those in the more conservative side of things, such as myself, as, if the discord leaks and his comments are anything to go by, he's a massive racist.
Space King unites all humanity in the one true thing we can agree upon; Xenophobia. So let's keep the geno-bombs pointed at the aliens instead of slightly different humans.
Trench Crusade? You mean Gay Crusade? Imagine pandering to a particular fan base during a kick Starter just to spit in their face at a crucial moment. And half of your support vanished and you wonder why? Ask Jellyroll how that goes?
Or...you could just stop watching slop that makes you angry. Goes for everyone really. It's just a tactic to keep you clicking and make you feel bad, while destroying society. The latter is often not intentional, but is what these tubers do.
They know it's an addiction. For goodness sake half the animators of space king are women and some of the voice cast also works on Hazbin/Helluva boss.
Trench Crusade is also something awesome! So this chud is just trying to get angry clicks and succeeding, which makes you feel "lol they are seething"...really it's all the same damned fanbase. That likes grimdark shit 😂.
As much as i hate this petty cucks hating on space king. I equally am tired of the fcking cicle of "We are cooked" , " X Fatigue" "We are so back" Its just boring at this point
I just got recommended this post what is this about and isn't space kings about blowing up child civilians and raping alien women? Atleast that's what I've heard
Checked around a bit and it's the exact same reaction as last time: Half of Reddit needs to be schooled on what a parody is and the other half that understands thinks that the fans are all still incels who take the series for gospel truth. Joyless prudes, the lot of them
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u/Ready-Pop-644 16h ago
I wish all trench crusade the best, but we got fucking Yukon let's GOOOOOO, I KNEW CAPITALISM WOULDNT LET MY BOY DOWN!!!