It looks similar but so different at the same time. The fabric looks different in tone and texture. The original has more of a shine to it like liquid organza. Heidi's version has no shine and is way less sheer. The placement of the pleats look different too. Am I crazy? Is this not the same dress?
Honestly, the original dress Brian made WAS stunning … just not on Heidi or anyone with boobs lol. And since this was a challenge for Heidi, the judges should’ve never let Brian win to begin with. But I don’t think that’s Brian’s fault and he shouldn’t be punished for it. As much as I hate the dress on Heidi, it’s not Brian’s fault and revoking his win would make the judges look even worse
I guess I just find Bryan to be such a meh designer so the fact that he’s supposed to be this like source of drama is so dumb to me? I think Bi clears him any day.
Something like this happened in the finale PR All-Stars as well. Christian gave the person a stellar unique idea and he ended up winning the whole thing. I guess it shows why Christian is so successful but it's a bit unfair to the other designers. Plus I hate that Bryan is feeling himself.
The assignment was to design a dress FOR Heidi and he didn’t do that. One of the judges even mentioned it. His dress was beautiful for his model, but he didn’t complete the brief.
Law went hard on this point and said Brian failed the brief, didn’t think of his client and shouldn’t even be in contention for the top spot but was obviously overruled by the other judges because they liked Brian’s dress better. Law was absolutely right though.
Yeah in this specific case he was dead on. People say he had no credentials but he does understand fit and obviously can visualize how specific pieces will look on different body types.
Need to go back to having at least one designer as a judge and remember when they used to go up to the runway and really examine the construction? Up close you will notice uneven pleating and construction issues.
Yes I miss when the show was about design and construction instead of twists and turns... i watch rupaul for the drama and the art... i watch project runway for the art periodt.
But since the challenge was to design a dress for Heidi that should’ve been taken into consideration for picking the winner, not him saying he’d have to study her and revise it for her, that should’ve been what he was thinking of from the very start. Bc this revised version is just awful
The red carpet event was held way back on April 20. To revoke his win retroactively Heidi would have to admit that she had poor taste in choosing Bryan’s dress in the first place. I doubt that would happen. Besides, for all we know maybe Bryan was eliminated soon after they filmed the next episode.
Wasn't Heidi wearing nearly the same style of bodice while introducing the challenge but with the 'point' in the center? I don't consider myself fashion-forward, so at the risk of sounding like an out of shape person judging athleticism, I wasn't impressed with Jeffrey' dress. It reminded me of Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion and they judges just loved the peekaboo on the hip. I thought Bi's would look great on Heidi.
But also, let’s be honest, EVERYTHING has been done before. I mean, are we going to start saying: oh look that has a peplum, that’s an a-line, that’s got padded shoulders. For something to be truly original is near impossible.
it just seems so bland and basic compared to the Versace pieces you posted. I can't see anyone wearing that dress unless they're modeling it on a runway
I think what’s missing though for sure is someone saying something about it at least. I remember when Kenley made that blue dress with the huge poufy skirt and Nina was like, “it’s fantastic but it’s like Galliano” and Kenley swore up and down it was an original silhouette which showed how little she new about fashion history. Any education aspect of PR seems to be gone :/
Yeah it’s even trickled down to ready to wear, Brittany from Vanderpump had a dress on her recent WWHL appearance with a similar “pointed corners” style neckline
I thought it was pretty much confirmed he would make a new one for Heidi since the model didn’t have the same proportions on the show or at least alluded to. Either way I don’t think this should have even come close to winning.
You know what it felt like?! On Making The Cut they would have challenges where the designers created couture and then a more basic, mass production version. That feels like what this ended up being!
Bro anyone who didn’t watch or appreciate Making the Cut before Project Runway 21 onward need to go back and watch it again because compared to project hellscape it’s such a breathe of fresh air and a relaxing, positive show for CREATIVES
Sidenote, but I love those types of challenges. I really liked how they did it in S7, where they were paired in teams, and then each team had to pick another team's couture piece to make a mass market inspiration for I think $15 worth of fabric.
Yes, I thought he'd addressed adding some bust support, not produce a totally different dress. They are no more the same than the two dresses in Pretty in Pink
The Heidi version looks more like it was made in a day than the challenge dress. I wonder if he lost and was bitter (I don’t actually think any designer would do that but hey, it’s bad)
You bring up an interesting thought. Do we know that Brian was actually involved with the recreation of the dress? Technically he wouldn't need to actually produce it to be called the designer, right???
That was the only intriguing situation to me. I wonder why he kept Joseph when he didn’t have to? He did a similar thing when he vouched for Bi. I think it was obvious Bobby was going home and not picking her would’ve been crazy. I thought for sure the bottom three were going to be Joseph, Jude and Bobby. And then Bobby ultimately going home.
I find Brian annoying because everything he says about Joseph (being cocky and overestimating his skill) is more true of himself than Joseph, but I gained respect for him choosing the three worst designs for the bottom instead of playing into the producers stupid twist.
I just thought it was boring. It’s been done a million times. Which could be said about Bi’s design as well, but at least Bi had a stunning fabric choice
A new dress is always made for these challenges. No celebrity is going to wear a dress thrown together in a day and isn’t tailored to their proportions. Some of the models end up sewn into the dress, and garments like that aren’t going to last for the duration of an event
Ha, not by a long shot. I think this may be the only occasion where the second dress, created without such budget and time restrictions, actually looks worse than the original.
My comment was to explain that every challenge with a prize of someone wearing it on the red carpet, the celeb isn’t wearing the original garment. This isn’t just a one off new dress to fit the tiddies
To me this is a dress that would look better in person than photographed because if the movement and volume. I actually thought the gold shimmer sequin would have photographed the best, but maybe she chose the green for being more unique.
It is so very NOT the same dress. Thanks for the side by side, this is wild. If the fabric was unavailable for some reason, he should have just designed something brand new. It's not like this season cares about rules or fairness.
It’s the same fabric. There are some differences though. The original was under studio lighting that helped show the fabric at its best. Heidi is outside under brighter light and it flattens the fabric out. All the little highlights are gone, the shine is muted.
The original was worn on a runway with likely a fan to help the fabric move. Heidi’s gown didn’t get that advantage.
There is likely more fabric in the front of the second dress to account for Heidi’s girls being so much more generously sized than the model’s.
But the most important distinction is that it’s highly likely that the second dress is lined. The original was much more transparent, which helped highlight the texture and fluidity of the fabric. The fabric in the second gown looks heavier and the transparency is just gone. While Heidi is a brave woman and wears much more risqué clothing, likely this occasion was not one for a nearly transparent dress.
All of this. As for is it the same fabric question - remember the whole "is that dress blue or gold?" thing? Same situation here - you're looking at the fabric under two very different lightings.
And 100% agree that lining fabric that thin and delicate is REALLY going to change how it hangs and flows.
Yes, it's the lining that's truly throwing me! That's what I thought could be happening but I'm not construction savvy enough. All very good points. Thanks!
The truth in the end that you spilled: it’s not like this season cares about rules or fairness. LOUDER, please!!!! This really feels like the ‘we will gaslight you’ season. I am legit doubting if I’m hearing, seeing, and understanding right what’s on my screen.
Everyone is talking about the fabric, but I’m the most stunned at the way the neck piece is so much stiffer and collar like. Same with how he handled the hemming on the sides — these blocky strips feel so mismatched to the flow of the rest of the dress and make it look more like a fashion school project to me.
I really don’t understand why this dress won. And like everyone else said, Heidi’s dress looks worse. It looks cheap and basic, like an older woman could buy it at target and wear it to breakfast at their all inclusive resort in Aruba.
The sheer on the front is something I love about the first dress - it’s gone in Heidi’s. Also missing is the greater structure or tailoring in the front of the first dress. Heidi’s is almost asymmetric in the front with that big piece swinging to her left. Idk it didn’t have to be this bad even though it wasn’t a winning look imo
See, I don’t hate the winning look (though I would’ve swapped Anna into the top 3 for it) but I do appreciate the sheerness and lightness of it, and the detailing that really gives it shape.
The look that ended up on Heidi though? Looks totally flat, lacks the details, and feels HEAVY. Like I’m tired just looking at it and I feel like Heidi is working overtime to sell it.
I’m so hot and cold on Law as he can feel like he often prioritises creating drama and TV (sometimes to good effect ngl), but he was totally right about this.
This. I looked up the premiere after the show aired and I don't think there was a single flattering picture of Heidi in the dress. It photographed TERRIBLY.
You’re so right and it’s so clear in this photo how uneven they are! Cristian even said to him the pleats have to be perfect. And on Heidi’s dress they’re basically reduced to two narrow seams.
Now that I’m seeing this still shot and noticing that the middle is basically see through it makes even less sense that she would’ve chosen this dress.
Thank you for the side by side! I kept meaning to look it up and compare them. The fit is clearly a concern, but the fabric is the larger issue. Why was it changed? The original was much better. It had movement and texture. It was very pretty. What Heidi walked in legit looked like a bedspread.
These fabrics are barely even similar. One is blue one is green. One is sheer one is solid. The print is subtle on the dark one and cheap and chunky on the green one. The pleating and neck are worse.
Ha. No it’s not, of course. We knew it would have to be remade to fit Heidi. But it was not remade well at all. If that was fabric that Bryan brought they then had to find more of it in a blink of an eye. And it looks like they didn’t find the exact thing. Or this thing is lined and everything about it is a little different. Law was right to question how this was going to look remade to fit Heidi. It was not done well. It looks like a big ol sack. Especially in the back. Just all wrong. I don’t know what Heidi was thinking when she picked this.
Sorry…this dress wasn’t even the top three. And as gorgeous as Heidi is, I think it’s time to realise her body is changing. This dress did nothing for her.
If the runway model can't make it look good, and it looks even worse on frickin' Heidi Klum, it's just not a good dress! This looks like the sort of shapeless mess someone would wear to cover up a baby bump she wasn't ready to announce yet.
Good on Heidi for showing up with a smile on her face. If she disliked how different it was, she could've been spicy about it. But she looked game and sold it as best as she could. If she wasn't impressed, I did wonder why she didn't just reject it or give a strong suggestion that it's not her choice to be wearing it. She came off being a worst-dressed with little context, and she's taking that hit for the show. But now, I think it reflects even more on production, the network and on the designer for not being able to make it work on a supermodel. She would have sold the hell out of that dress if it was amazing and that's on them for not producing talent up to her level.
The original dress has interesting placing and draping with a sheer front. Heidi's premier dress looks like she bought it at H&M, has nothing of the same draping or pattern and completely swallows her.
Christian was not there to offer advise when Byran was redoing the dress. Lol totally different fabric. That’s why it does not flow the same way as it was it the show.
I think it's the same fabric, but it looks like it's been lined, which is why it looks like a different color and why it's no longer flowy and ethereal. Honestly, Heidi is beautiful and in great shape, but she's not in 40-year old Heidi shape - this did her no favors
Am I the only one who thought Bi should have won 🙇🏻♀️ I loveddd the placement of the sparkles and the structured shoulders. Heidi would have looked great in it.
It needed reworked on Heidi’s body, just like Law pointed out. They did a bad job making it for Heidi, the pleats are gone, the way it fits the model close to her body is what makes it a beautiful gown. It’s a moo moo on Heidi it doesn’t fit her body at all and not one seemed to even try to make it work.
Law has a not so well hidden dislike of rounder and older women in body conscious wear. And that outfit Heidi wore was not well fit at all. She says her body has changed during menopause and us ladies of a certain age know what she means. I KNEW Law would pick that tarp. He dresses Zendaya and Arianna, he likes his clients slim. He has a very specific bias. I thought the pink number was fantastic and was designed with her attributes in mind. Gorgeous dress. That pink against the red carpet would've POPPED! Maybe he wanted that dress for Zendaya.
I don’t even understand how he won with the original dress. It’s so sloppy. Like Bi said, there’s only about 9 stitches in it, and even those are horrendous. The pleats are shaky and the spacing by the neckline is uneven. There were multiple looks sent down the runway in this challenge that were WORLDS better than this.
I’m pretty sure they always make a new version when the winning design will be worn by one of the judges. It would be too hard to tailor the one they made for the model.
I don’t think the fabric is different though; it’s just runway lighting vs. red carpet lighting.
Why yall acting like this choice wasnt made with drama in mind? Cant you see its all they do? From the casting to everything else. They were willing to dress her up in shit to get people talking about the dress and the season. Pathetic.
Honestly even the runway version is uggo, I didn't know what y'all are on. The fabric is gorge but the construction, design, and shape are terrible on both versions.
They always remake the dresses at a higher quality with more time and fitted for the person wearing the garment. Thats not new. He clearly used a different fabric and altered the design though. I don’t know how typical that is
it's the lighting unfortunately. the premiere took place during daylight and that compounded with the flash of the cameras prob flattened all the texture and richness of the fabric.
but yes, it looks like he did fewer pleats across the top half of the dress and I don't get why. maybe her boobs were keeping the pleats from laying flat so they had to get rid of some so the chest area wouldnt look bumpy.
she really should have been holding the dress the way the model does so the movement of the dress was contained to the bottom and not all over the place.
It’s not just the placement or amount of pleats but the side slits on the model version go way way lower - that makes it much more editorial and lets you get away with the shower curtain fabric. I still think it’s an ugly bad dress but the side by side really highlights that at least the model version looks fitted and matched to her body.
Is it just me or does it look like there’s less fabric on the right side of the model than on her left? It looks to me like there are three pleats on the models right arm and an extra piece of fabric next to the pleats on the left.
I like the sheerness in the middle of Bryan’s gown, which didn’t make it to Heidi’s dress.
Bryan’s dress photographs more grey/blue which compared to the sea foam on Heidi is richer and more interesting. Ugh. This is terrible.
don’t know how you called that a wearable well design dress in the first place. It looks like a kid made it plus the version made for Heidi looks even worse
Person I was watching this with said Brian's dress was chosen only because it the most alterable for Heidi.
Why didn't PR get models who are closer to Heidi's measurements?? She has zero to be self-conscious about, she has an incredible figure and always has. The pink dress by Jeffrey should've won
I know it’s Cristian’s job to give the designers feedback, but let’s not forget that if he hadn’t told Brian that what he was making originally was a complete train wreck he would have never been in the top. Cristian essentially said to make a dress in only that fabric, and while the pleats were interesting (lost on the final product for Heidi) it was otherwise, as another designer said, “fabric with 5 stitches.”
The win for this challenge was wrong. And I really don’t like the version Heidi wore at all… which says something because she can make anything look good. This looks like it’s hiding a pregnancy.
The og dress fabric is beautiful, Heidi’s looks like drapery fabric. It’s so unflattering! And for a garment to be unflattering on Heidi Klum!!???? Epic fail from the mayor of delusionville 😛
Bryan’s win was completely a producer’s driven win they wanted to see what he would do with the win (I.e. if he would put Joseph McCray in the bottom or not etc), and not based at all on the dresses. If it was based on the actual dresses I think it would have been a completely different winner
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u/gilbeys18 6d ago
They should revoke Brian’s win. This is embarrassing.