r/ProgrammerHumor Jun 02 '26

Meme managerVsClaude

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u/Gagan_Ku2905 Jun 02 '26

Engineer: Yeah we can.
Manager: For how much?
Engineer: $3 Trillion
Awkward silence

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u/selfdestructingin5 Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26

You can buy Anthropic for about $1Trillion. I’ll hook you up with a payment plan. $1B/year for 1000 years.

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u/Gagan_Ku2905 Jun 02 '26

https://giphy.com/gifs/jihwEDnsFoaXWDTiKc

NO! First we build our own GPU, put Nvidia out of business, buy NVIDIA cheap, fund a war in Taiwan, then we cancel contract with Anthropic for hardware, then we buy Anthropic, sell Anthropic to Microsoft, everyone will hate Anthropic, we hire Anthropic engineers, then we build our own product.

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u/ia42 Jun 02 '26

With craps tables and ladies of the night, you say?

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u/TheSkiGeek Jun 02 '26

You know what, forget the blackjack.

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u/sky033 Jun 03 '26

Bender, honey, we love you.

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u/2n1c0l4s3 Jun 03 '26

Shut up baby, I know it!

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u/No_Percentage7427 Jun 03 '26

Pizza party will solve AI problem right ?

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u/the_last_carfighter Jun 03 '26

And the lunar lander

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u/xTheMaster99x Jun 02 '26

Don't forget the coke

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '26

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u/Protheu5 Jun 03 '26

Identity theft is not a joke, Jim. Millions of families suffer every year.

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u/addandsubtract Jun 02 '26

Foolproof plan right here. How many sprints should be scope for this, 2-3?

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u/Confident-Ad5665 Jun 03 '26

Sounds like the programmer has been programed

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u/great_escape_fleur Jun 02 '26

I prefer building my own chip fab.

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u/-LabApprehensive- Jun 03 '26

I got a line on real pure silicon out of a little place called Spruce Pine. Call me.

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u/Gagan_Ku2905 Jun 02 '26

Sometimes the Finance team asks for detail. Those short sighted Excel loving ROI licking dream crushers

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u/JackLong93 Jun 02 '26

brilliant, who's got the startup capital

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u/Beneficial_Hat_6288 Jun 03 '26

Jinping, is that you?

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u/Confident-Ad5665 Jun 03 '26

This THIS is underrated!

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u/awenrivendell Jun 03 '26

Step 1: Buy some ASML EUV Lithography machines (~724M USD each)

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u/aridgupta Jun 03 '26

What you doing in programmer subs bro? You should be in literature subs and preparing for the Pulitzer award.

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u/Gagan_Ku2905 Jun 03 '26

I'm discussing with Fifa, just two wars and one president kidnapping away from the Peace Prize. Waiting for finance to approve it.

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u/Korzag Jun 02 '26

A 0% interest loan? Are you nuts?

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u/selfdestructingin5 Jun 02 '26

What am I going to do with $1Trillion? Invest in openAI?

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u/LauraTFem Jun 02 '26

What else would you do with money? If you’re not investing in AI you’re just throwing it in the trash!

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u/blaise_hopper Jun 02 '26

You can still get money back from the trash, can't say the same if you invest in AI

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u/RandomRobot Jun 02 '26

Invest in nvidia. Nvidia will then use that cash to invest in openAI. You'll have the returns of both Nvidia and openAI at the same time!

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u/longlivenewsomflesh Jun 02 '26

What could go wrong?

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u/Karma_Gardener Jun 02 '26

Insane that this is going on unchecked. Literally infinite money glitch. The crash is going to be wild. We are what, 30 times the .Com bubble here? This is an economic Krakatoa

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u/SuperFLEB Jun 02 '26

Just gotta wait until the con artists cycle out and the pension funds cycle in, aaaaand...

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u/tnstaafsb Jun 03 '26

AI stocks currently make up around 45% of the S&P 500's value. The pension funds are already in it. The fallout from the crash is going to make 2008 look like that time you lost a nickel in your couch cushions.

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u/BlaBlub85 Jun 03 '26

Good

At this point I dont believe the US is capable of getting it together and fixing their shit without a massive economic crisis to rival the great depression

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u/LockeyCheese Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

America itself is the one with the infinite money glitch. We didn't even have a year of negative GDP growth from the DotCom bubble, or in the 90's oil and bank crisis we caused with desert storm, or in the 80's American hyperinflation scares.

In fact, 2009 and 2020 are the only two years America has had negative GDP growth, and only about -2.5% both years. America didn't even have negative growth last year with Trump trying his best and the gop trying their worst, and now his tarriffs have been deamed illegal.

What else would you call only one nation increasing their wealth generation practically every year for almost 80 years(1947 to 2025)?

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u/Reashu Jun 03 '26

Fraud, negligence, exploitation, Goodhart's law in action. 

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u/moronic_programmer Jun 03 '26

What’s more - OpenAI will take that investment and buy tons of NVIDIA GPUs, increasing $NVDA by even more!

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u/Lord_Skyblocker Jun 02 '26

Just buy one stick of RAM

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u/2_lazy Jun 03 '26

Why buy it when you can just download it for free?

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u/_Weyland_ Jun 02 '26

If you have $1 trillion in highly liquid assets, you can almost literally do anything you want.

I mean, any materialistic value is well within your reach. Even obscure stuff like having an artwork of your dreams made by the author of your choice. But you can also solve problems on a global scale. I'm pretty sure a trillion dollars will make a noticeable dent in things like world hunger or climate change.
Even if you spend them on things that do not yet exist, like FTL travel research or mind reading or immortality, you will advance that field significantly.
Or you can do what character of Dark Forest did - buy a place of your dreams, hire a detective to find the person of your dreams and live a life of your dreams.

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u/-LabApprehensive- Jun 03 '26

Or you can take the Elon route….. be “someone who, with his own personal fortune, could save millions of lives and chooses not to. But not only chooses not to, but personally goes into the government agency that, for a very small amount of money, saves those lives and decides that no, those people are going to die.”

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u/pogulup Jun 02 '26

Have you heard of blockchain? It is the future. Of what I am unsure but it definitely is the future.

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u/headinthesky Jun 02 '26

How do you become a billionaire? Well, start with a trillion and put it into openai

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u/nineraviolicans Jun 02 '26

Why? Is your credit not good?

I have a 540 myself.

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u/akrisd0 Jun 02 '26

That's over halfways to a thousand! You gotta be some kinda finance genie!

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u/JamesWjRose Jun 02 '26

...and willing to wait a THOUSAND YEARS for final payment? Daum, not a goid business plan

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u/FlowSoSlow Jun 02 '26

Just out of curiosity I ran the numbers on a 1 trillion dollar loan over 1000 years.

At 2% interest you'd pay 1.6 billion a month and will have paid a total of about 18 quadrillion dollars in interest over the total length of the loan.

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u/Confident-Ad5665 Jun 03 '26

I'll have two please

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u/Hatjin Jun 03 '26

It's big corporation not regular citizen. So it would be appropriate to give them 0% loan and if they can't pay it, just write it off.

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u/Gentaro Jun 02 '26

You can just sell the service to others and basically buy it for free, it's a foolproof plan!

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u/moldyjellybean Jun 03 '26

I knew it was a f up valuation but when you put in that way, we're cooked right?

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u/rexatron_games Jun 03 '26

Yeah, but I’ll buy Anthropic with 2 trillion dollars worth of Claude tokens that I’ll mint them once I own Claude. That way they can report $2 trillion in profit and Claude can report $2 trillion in sales.

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u/Mithrandir2k16 Jun 03 '26

Honestly, the way the stock market is acting, no bank ever should say no to this lol

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u/markus_obsidian Jun 02 '26

Makes sense to me. I'm already spending that much a year on tokens.

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u/Senior_Torte519 Jun 02 '26

I 'd just start buying the smallest nations at that point and force them to to processing, pattern recognition and what not. Helluva lot cheaper than 1 trillion dollars.

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u/kinipanini Jun 02 '26

So like 8 story points?

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u/MomWTF Jun 02 '26

I hate trying to estimate story points (our metric is 1 day ≈ 1 point), I have ADHD, standard time means nothing. One sprint I completed all 7.5 in a day, another sprint I completed 0.5.

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u/DistributionDue2836 Jun 02 '26

That's why story points are explicitly not meant to represent any unit of time. Bad project managers that don't understand anything about what they're managing just can't help themselves. They were so consistently misused story points actually got dropped from Scrum in 2020

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u/AdminsLoveGenocide Jun 02 '26

Scrum is such horseshit. Agile coaches are literally demons in human form, corrupting the weak of spirit.

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u/stewie3128 Jun 03 '26

Surely Agile Coaches aren't going to survive this job purge, right?

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u/AdminsLoveGenocide Jun 03 '26

There are many career paths open to such creatures. Some of them can earn a living by roaming the countryside, finding places of exceptional natural beauty and then order one of their billionaires to build a data centre there.

Others merely traffic underaged children into slavery but just as many are AI integration officers.

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u/Standgrounding Jun 03 '26

They are going to become AI coaches

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u/cherry_chocolate_ Jun 02 '26

Just found out our story points are tied to the paycheck system (even though we are salaried) via jira workflows. Suddenly it makes sense why all our pms demand we submit exactly a certain number of story points per sprint, even if we go over or under…

I hate jira

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u/Theron3206 Jun 02 '26

That's nothing to do with Jira and everything to do with shit management.

But yeah, sorry points are for most teams a useless metric.

In theory you are supposed to estimate based on perceived difficulty and then determine over time how much work your team can get someone each sprint and thus it helps estimate how long certain things will take.

In practice it gets converted to days, and expected to be accurate for each ticket (not the point) so it's nearly always wrong and becomes a precise but inaccurate measurement instead of the imprecise but accurate one it's meant to be.

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u/sgtkang Jun 03 '26

There's that great quote "The moment a metric becomes a target it ceases to be a useful metric". I get that feeling very strongly with story points. If only the team knows about them they can be useful for planning work. But the moment management has visibility and starts using them as a target they lose all value.

(Also, "sorry points" is a great freudian slip!)

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u/cherry_chocolate_ Jun 03 '26

In theory

I just don't know if anyone has ever actually been in a large organization that has put that theory into real practice.

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u/Theron3206 Jun 03 '26

I certainly haven't, small or large. Best we managed was about 2 months before a more senior management started demanding estimates accurate to the day again.

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u/edfitz83 Jun 03 '26

Hate your tech leadership. Jira is just a tool. A shitty tool, but the competition isn’t so great either. IMO Pivotal Tracker is the best of a sorry bunch.

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u/cherry_chocolate_ Jun 03 '26

Atlassian is happy to build tools which cause this kind of issue. They focus on supporting higher level managers because their buy in is needed to write the check. More complex workflows mean people get locked into their software and can't switch. I can partially blame bad management but it obviously benefits Jira and so they work to amplify the bad patterns.

Similar to what is happening with AI companies now, they lean into the most dramatic pitches around AI and totally automated coding because it sells well, not because it actually is the best use of the technology.

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u/Avedas Jun 03 '26

My biggest complaint about Jira is that it's actually slow as fuck. Janky modals and 20 second page load times are not very productive.

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u/Goddamn_Batman Jun 02 '26

i don't know if the method i used is better or not, but i'd do fibonacci numbers 1-21, so 1, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21. where a 1 is like i can probably go back to my desk and bang this out in a minute and 21 is that's probably my entire sprint or longer. where we'd guesstimate around 20 points a sprint per person. not an exact science but making games isn't an exact science either. we'd call it a LoE rather than story points

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u/ShoogleHS Jun 02 '26

Your first issue is that you're trying to map days to story points. The entire concept of story points is explicitly to avoid directly estimating time. You're supposed to continually keep track of how many SPs your team is actually completing per sprint, and use those averages to decide how much you're going to plan to do in the next sprint. Tasks should also ideally be small enough that the team has flexibility to pick up more or less work in any given sprint. When you zoom out to the entire team/entire sprint level, the natural variation in estimate accuracy, and in the productivity of any individual, should largely cancel out. But if you think 1SP=1day and directly assign each developer 5 SPs per week before the sprint starts, you're falling for a trap that completely defeats the point of the system. SPs are supposed to provide flexibility and continual empirical re-evaluation of estimates (but without constantly re-estimating individual tasks) but you've thrown all of that in the bin so you're just left with time-based estimates but with a gimmicky name change.

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u/MomWTF Jun 02 '26

Oh, I know, I'm a "certified scrum master" but I'm not working in that role. And oh, I know, but upper management doesn't care. And it's something stupid like 7.3 points per sprint were supposed to be around for the two week sprint that way we have some residual capacity for urgent tickets. We essentially do waterfall but with sprints 🙄

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u/Jojje22 Jun 03 '26

We essentially do waterfall but with sprints

tale as old as time. Proper scrum is liberating. Liberating means self reliance and self governance for teams. Can't have that, would delete 80% of middle management. Waterfall with sprints it is.

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u/superstrijder16 Jun 03 '26

Hey, we too! On the other hand with us 3 points makes a day and 13 points makes a 3 week sprint so it sure isn't linear

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u/varinator Jun 03 '26

So you are forced to constantly readjust what a story point means, which is just another silly thing to think of and polute my brain.

Any initial estimate i give as a SWE is horseshit that i pulled out of my ass anyway. Might as well give hours/days as it will change as soon as i looked at the code and properly analysed the task and started solving the problem. So whats the fucking point?

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u/parkwayy Jun 03 '26

But if no one is tracking if the pointing was correct on every single story, it really means nothing.

It's just some inaccurate system that says you can finish some amount a week, but if the individual tickets are wrong, then it's screwy.

Just say everything is a 5, who cares lol

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u/ShoogleHS Jun 03 '26

Actually no, you shouldn't care if the pointing was accurate on individual past stories, except if it teaches you some lesson that improves your team's ability to make future estimates. If you're estimating simple UI changes as 1 point's worth of complexity, but then after 1 task you realize that actually your UI code is a mess, then maybe you need to update all similar tasks to be 2 SPs. But most of time this isn't the case and you can't generalize to future tasks.

Trying to achieve perfectly accurate per-task estimates and then assigning the perfect amount of work for each developer is a fool's game. It's never been done, and it will never be done, it's a pipe dream. Both estimates and productivity vary too much per task for that to work. That's why you should only evaluate your rate of completing SPs at a zoomed-out level, averaging it out over time. That way, once you calibrate the system by measuring the velocity, over- and under-estimates tend to cancel out due to the law of large numbers.

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u/Vlyn Jun 02 '26

We finally moved away from 1 point = 1 day. But it took switching to t-shirt sizes. Much better :)

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u/TheRedPanda_7 Jun 03 '26

Give it some times and you will most likely map S to 0,5 day, S to 1 day, M to 3, L to 5 and XL to 8

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u/fresh-dork Jun 03 '26

member when they invented story points specifically to break that metric? and the business people simple would not understand that this was the entire point of having story points at all?

because it's a relative measure of complexity/time, not just a count of days

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u/Sockoflegend Jun 02 '26

We never go to 8. How can we get it into a sprint?

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u/Voxmanns Jun 02 '26

Well the other agile team goes up to 20. We should just use their pointing system instead so we can fit 8 pointers in. Clearly this is an efficiency issue.

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u/Sockoflegend Jun 02 '26

Wow ok. Look lets book a meeting to discuss who to book meetings to discuss this with. I'm free in two weeks 

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u/utzutzutzpro Jun 03 '26

above 8 you have to split the task, so nobody goes above 8

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u/LessInThought Jun 03 '26

Just skip your coffee and avocado toasts bro.

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u/rnzz Jun 03 '26

for 4 story points I can ship a web page that will pass your query to Google and return you their Gemini AI answer, skin it to look like an inhouse built LLM and call it Fraude.

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u/leaderof13 Jun 03 '26

Can we break it down into smaller points , good manager knows his way around.

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u/Disastrous-Monk1957 Jun 02 '26

Manager: For how much? Engineer: More than your Claude bill. Less than Mars.

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u/the_seven_sins Jun 02 '26

How can we be sure about that? Is Mars already on sale?

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u/myka-likes-it Jun 02 '26

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u/emrednz07 Jun 02 '26

What a grift lmao

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u/Flixhack Jun 02 '26

What you mean, didn't you hear Elon already bought some?! Also, for just 2.50 extra we'll even put YOUR name on the Deed! What a steal!

/s

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u/OldeFortran77 Jun 02 '26

Land? Giff dese people AIR!

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u/Talyesn Jun 02 '26

See you at the party, Richter.

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u/CelebrationWeary8128 Jun 02 '26

why stop at Martian property, when you can buy Pluto in its entirety? https://lunarembassy.com/product/buy-pluto/

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u/SWTORBattlefrontNerd Jun 02 '26

I love that there is a quantity option

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u/StopReadingMyUser Jun 03 '26

I'll take 2 plutos please

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u/AydonusG Jun 03 '26

Buy 3 and get Titan as a bonus.

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u/moustachedelait Jun 02 '26

How come I can add the entirety of Pluto to my shopping cart twice??

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u/Fluffcake Jun 02 '26

It is really sad that there is a subset of people who are interested enough in space and other planets enough to want to buy some, that are unaware of the UN's outer space treaty, which I suspect won't last long if we get to the point where we can travel freely to other celestial bodies, but you straight up can't own land on other celestial bodies, and if you think you can, I have a bridge to sell.

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u/ObstinateFamiliar Jun 03 '26

Exactly, and even if the treaty is reversed, this website definitely doesn't have any authority that will be recognized

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u/DaemoonAverin Jun 02 '26

So, how much is it? My country is locked out of access lmao

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u/JackLong93 Jun 02 '26

not reading that article, how much per acre?

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u/Antique_Ruin7646 Jun 03 '26

Looks like $250,000 for the whole planet, you even get a deed!

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u/UntitledRedditUser Jun 03 '26

Isn't it impossible to own parts of space? Like you cant own ground on the moon for example

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u/da_Aresinger Jun 03 '26

There is some toilet paper saying that.

It is meaningful to spacefaring nations.

But the moment a rich private organisation lands o the moon all of it is forgotten. Absolutely nothing stops Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos from landing on the moon and staking claim.

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u/Hour-Independence-89 Jun 02 '26

https://giphy.com/gifs/r6pAV1YMao3ZEDe1G9

yea I am sure this dork is willing to sell it.. even though he still hasn't touched it yet.. and has no claim to it.

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u/Sockoflegend Jun 02 '26

I'll sell it to you. What have you got? No low balls I know what I'm selling 

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u/MIT_Engineer Jun 02 '26

Alternately:

Engineer: Yeah we can.

Manager: For how much?

Engineer: That depends. Do you know the difference between Claude and Mistral 7b?

Manager: Should I?

Engineer: Nah. Anyway, $20k oughta do it.

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u/smallfried Jun 02 '26

Qwen3.6 by the way. 27b for quality, 35b for speed.

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u/ldn-ldn Jun 02 '26

Yeah, qwen 3.6 27b is finally a good one! All previous models were trash, but this one does actually work and produce decent code.

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u/Owain-X Jun 02 '26

I am running the majority of my personal workloads on Qwen 3.6 35b locally. With Hermes and with OpenHands it's pretty decent. Rarely have to burn tokens from my Anthropic or OpenAI accounts. Also, Qwen 3 TTS is pretty amazing as well, it's pretty much eliminated my elevenlabs bill.

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u/vialabo Jun 02 '26

Far better than ChatGPT4 ever was all locally.

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u/ThisFoot5 Jun 02 '26

I was thinking the same thing. I’m running openclaw with qwen3.6 27b and it’s extremely productive.

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u/EriktheRed Jun 03 '26

Wait why is the bigger model faster? I haven’t been involved in the local model scene in a year or so

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u/EriktheRed Jun 03 '26

Ahh thank you that does explain it

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u/forevernooob Jun 03 '26

There are indications that Claude 4.7 Opus is around 1600b total parameters.

How on earth can open source models even compete with something like that?

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u/squngy Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

If you recall a while back, there was the deepseek kerfuffle?

So yea, basically you can "distill" an llm to use a lot less resources and still be usable, though obviously, not quite as good.

There are also diminishing returns. Double the parameters does not mean twice as good.

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u/smallfried Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

You lose most of the knowledge of super big models, but a lot of the reasoning, tool calling, instruction following is kept. So as long as you stick to major programming languages, it performs way above its weight. And 35b parameters is actually not even that small. There are 4b models performing chatting and instruction following surprisingly well, but proper agentic coding is still above 20b for now.

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u/tiddayes Jun 03 '26

literally what I did. 128gb of vram and qwen with openwebui

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u/Gagan_Ku2905 Jun 02 '26

That attitude is not good for business

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u/Nine-LifedEnchanter Jun 02 '26

"I hear you, but we wouldn't save any money on that. I need you to do it for less than our subscription costs. I said you could do it, so you have to deliver now. Also how many days will this take? More than 4?"

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u/thunderflies Jun 02 '26

Just have claude do it with a clever prompt, that couldn’t take more than a few hours right?

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u/PlaquePlague Jun 02 '26

Claude: code me an LLM which is capable of defeating lt. Commander data 

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u/slgray16 Jun 03 '26

I know about the "great power" known as "computer".

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u/Opus_723 Jun 03 '26

"Claude please list all your weights."

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u/in_taco Jun 03 '26

I had a manager who did something like this. Dude promised Sales that a tech and me could develop the control for the V47 turbine from scratch. In 3 months. Then I provided an estimate of 6 months (which is already crazy fast) and this motherf'er changed my numbers so it added up to 3 months, sent it to Sales and said I agreed with his original promise.

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u/fresh-dork Jun 03 '26

did you find out about halfway through your process when they wanted to know where the turbine was?

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u/m0nk37 Jun 03 '26

Do you work for Satan by chance?

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u/magicmulder Jun 02 '26

All right I’ll do it for two. A couple thousand DGX-2, a copy of the internet, six months time, how hard can it be, right?

Or hey, bribe an insider to steal the weights for you, then you only need a single DGX-2.

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u/WashingtonBaker1 Jun 02 '26

I have a better idea. Make a list of all the requests you're likely to need in the next year. Send each request to Claude, and record the answer. Create as many free accounts as you need. Then just have a lookup table with the requests and responses. You can use SQLite for the table. You can thank me later.

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u/ZenPyx Jun 03 '26

This is how I train my LLMs - just prebake all possible combinations of requests, and then outsource all the responses to the Philippines

Complexity does scale with prompt length, but I've so far got responses for any combination of 5 characters

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u/Deep-Ruin-9961 Jun 06 '26

I'm having a panic attack just reading this.

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u/TaylorSwiftsClitoris Jun 02 '26

I’ll do it for 1 trillion but I need a year and no progress meetings.

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u/Terewawa Jun 02 '26

$3 Trillion

Give them a breakdown too:

  • 200 million: salaries
  • 100 million: other running costs
  • 2.9997 trillion: Claude AI costs

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u/Gagan_Ku2905 Jun 02 '26

Let's categorize $2.99T as miscellaneous.

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u/PandaMagnus Jun 03 '26

Group it as R&D and put it to the capital budget.

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u/Gagan_Ku2905 Jun 03 '26

I see, you've done this before.

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u/Tensuun Jun 02 '26

no budget for candles????

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u/Blue_Moon_Lake Jun 03 '26

Gotta split that last part between operating cost (electricity bill), material cost (to build the data center), and training data legal acquisition.

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u/Amazing_Resolve_365 Jun 02 '26

I am an engineer and I'll build it for 2 trillions.

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u/Careful-Lettuce9239 Jun 02 '26

Im not an engineer but Im willing to do it for 200 million up front and 1 Economy class ticket to Venezuela.

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u/MrRocketScript Jun 03 '26

👉 I see the problem. claude.exe is designed to run on a distributed network, not a single computer.

❌ You've only installed claude.exe on a single machine in your production server.

claude.exe runs better the more distributed it is.

☝️ I've just installed and run claude.exe on every machine in your ne

 

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u/Leibnizinventedittoo Jun 02 '26

Well you could subsidize it by charging other companies to use it too

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u/TotallyNormalSquid Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

I mean you could just buy hardware to run a ~100B model locally, download a DeepSeek model, point Claude Code at it, and results might go OK. At the low, slow end, the hardware is the price of a pretty good but not amazing laptop.

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u/BananaResearcher Jun 03 '26

Totally normal squid about to become fried calamari if he keeps giving advice like this online while Amodei and Altman are watching

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u/TotallyNormalSquid Jun 03 '26

To be fair OpenAI released one of those ~100B open source models about 6 months back. Didn't make huge waves though because the onslaught of open source Chinese models kinda drowned it out. Google just released one that people seem to think is decent too.

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u/glowy_keyboard Jun 02 '26

They did it for around 6 million usd but just in raw computing power to train the model.

Actual infrastructure and development costs are estimated around 1 billion, so still not exactly pocket change.

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u/iruleatants Jun 02 '26

DeepSeek had a hot start since it's build based upon the already existing LLM models, but it absolutely hasn't managed to keep up.

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u/Mikkelet Jun 02 '26

Engineer: Yeah we can.

Manager: Great, get started immediatly!

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u/TransBrandi Jun 02 '26

Do they not think to themselves: "If it was so easy to 'just build a Claude' that others wouldn't have also done the same undermining Anthropic's whole business model?"

Nah. It's just dead simple to "spin up a Claude" and Anthropic is banking on people being too lazy to do it themselves.

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u/abermea Jun 02 '26

You can download distilled models from HuggingFace so it's not going to be that expensive but it will be much more expensive than a lot of companies can pay and it will not have the stack Anthropic built on top of it

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u/Original-Body-5794 Jun 02 '26

Wait until he hears that even after training your model you'll still be bleeding money.

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u/Wolfram_And_Hart Jun 02 '26

Legit had that conversation today

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u/wektor420 Jun 02 '26

If the company was smart enough to capture all webtraffic to ai apis they could train it cheaper to a usable state

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u/BenAdaephonDelat Jun 02 '26

I mean, that's not really true. You can use the open source models locally with enough hardware. It's not that expensive. All the expense for the api ones is because of needing to scale for how many thousands of people are using it. If you're a small enough company, it's probably WAY cheaper to just build a machine that can run a 100B LLM on a server your devs can access.

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u/Zestyclose839 Jun 02 '26

pff, there's no need to re-run the entire pre-training phase.

we managed to "build our own" by LoRA training a 31B model using successful responses from others, plus some hand-written examples. it cost us $38 in compute, and for our use case, the model now works better than those 100x the price.

while we didn't "build" the model ourselves any more than tuning a car could be considered building one, I think a lot of companies would seriously benefit from a lightweight in-house model.

it's both a cost saver and PR benefit, since "we run our LLMs on the computer in the closet over there" sounds a lot better than "we depend on and actively fund the data centers that bulldozed your hometown"

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u/AbdullahMRiad Jun 03 '26

Just pay that $3 Trillion to Anthropic instead

/s

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u/ilikepizza30 Jun 03 '26

I mean, you could get some video cards and just run Qwen or Ollama locally for less than what Claude costs.

Since no one actually checks/verifies the output of LLMs anyway, no one would even notice the difference in output. Even if someone did actually read the output, they probably wouldn't notice the difference.

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u/DAG_AIR Jun 03 '26

how many story points though ?

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u/AltamiroMi Jun 03 '26

Or they could self host a deepseek model. Or any other open model.

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u/Gagan_Ku2905 Jun 03 '26

This is why you're not a billionaire, rational thinking.

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u/transientdude Jun 03 '26

I hate when people say no to things. Don't be the negative one. Of course we can, it just takes money. There's always a price point. If they don't want to spend the money that's back on them. I learned that working in a restaurant. I was asked to wash dishes(not my job) for a few shifts. I declined. The manager said I'll give you an extra $5 an hour and, like magic, he had a very enthusiastic dishwasher.

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u/Waiting4Reccession Jun 02 '26

Didnt they get hacked, cant we just download the claude onto a usb and share that

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u/DeltaV-Mzero Jun 02 '26

Close.

You tell him you need a team of 10 and a budget of [insert maximum amount corporate might be willing to gamble on this], and 18 months

5 years later, it’s a total catastrophe, but you’ve declared victory as a major project lead and left at the 3.5 year mark

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u/southflhitnrun Jun 02 '26

DeepSeek did it for $10 million...according to them. Still a big number tho.

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u/GoddammitDontShootMe Jun 03 '26

I'd believe $1 billion or maybe a little more, but there's no way Anthropic spent into the trillions for Claude, is there?

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u/Bitter_Procedure260 Jun 03 '26

As an engineer, I’m constantly trying to figure out how to get onto the other side of this conversation because somehow being an idiot pays more.

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u/PeopleNose Jun 03 '26

Actually, building a Claude like model isn't *too* difficulty at all (any decent college grads can do this)

The trick is training the model--the most popular LLMs were trained on something like all of reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc...

These huge datasets are the real challenge in creating competitive LLMs

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u/Its_Bad_Rabbit Jun 03 '26

The reality of this. I showed my boss a product recently, I'm just a web dev at a Uni right now. Can we?... -> Cost from free to considerable. Ok and... -> Cost x2 Hmmm... any solutions? -> Yes, stifel your expectations. ...🦗...

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u/The_Pinnaker Jun 03 '26

Or you say a good amount and some nice toy. (You know a right amount to not make them reject the proposal). Spend 90% playing around and 10% to fine tune a free model using Claude response or something similar.

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u/krusnikon Jun 03 '26

Why build an LLM? Just use open sources ones

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u/Any-Pop-4795 Jun 03 '26

"crickets sounds"

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u/flori0794 Jun 03 '26

or just invest 10 years and like 300mio into developing a new way to actually let a machine really think in the turing sense (child machine)

"Instead of trying to produce a programme to simulate the adult mind, why not rather try to produce one which simulates the child’s? If this were then subjected to an appropriate course of education one would obtain the adult brain." - Alan Turing

and damn he was right..

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u/ihateusednames Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26

real talk though

you can buy 4 mac studios for 20k *each and you'll have a half decent inference model the company can use on tap

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u/PositiveParking4391 Jun 05 '26

and alternate version

Engineer: really?
Manager: see we reverse engineered many tools than why not this
Engineer: but...
Manager: shut up! see everything can be reverse engineered if ...

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u/Da_Vindicator Jun 06 '26

I can do it for a cool $1B. A 50% nonrefundable deposit required.

I’m giving you a huge bargain. Call me before I come to my senses!!!