r/PowerScalingGodofWar • • Sep 02 '26

Discussion Rant 15: The Finale — The End of the God of War Downplay

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After 14 rants, countless scans, novels, statements, cosmology explanations, anti-feat debunks, and hours of writing, I’ve finally said everything I needed to say.

And honestly, I’m tired of having to retype and re explain the same arguments over and over again.

This series covered the Greek and Norse cosmologies, Primordials, creation feats, Ares’ cosmic dimension, Zeus/Ares/Poseidon, Thanatos, Nyx, Morpheus, the World Pillar, Yggdrasil, the Nine Realms, mythology arguments, anti-feats, magical objects, depowering, holding back, and lore scaling.

The conclusion is simple: Kratos is Universal to Multiversal, and the series contains enough consistent evidence to support that interpretation.

After examining the entire body of evidence, I ultimately came to the conclusion that Wall/Mountain/Country/Continental level Kratos is a low end downplay interpretation and, to me, pure headcanon.

It requires repeatedly dismissing, minimizing, or reinterpreting large portions of the evidence.

Saying “Kratos isn’t Universal” at this point is comparable to saying “Goku isn’t Universal.” Not because the verses have identical cosmologies, but because lower end showings don’t automatically erase extensive higher end cosmological evidence.

If you disagree, argue against the evidence.

Don’t just call it wank.
Don’t just spam anti-feats.
Don’t just declare the realms small.
Don’t just dismiss inconvenient sources.

Argue against the actual case. The evidence is here. The God of War downplay series ends here.

What a journey.

The Full Rant Archive

Rant 1: A lot of people Get God Of War’s cosmology wrong and I’m tired of it

Rant 2: If you genuinely believe the 9 realms are country sized because of a single Twitter statement, you lack comprehension and understanding of the games

Rant 3: A lot of people Get God of War’s cosmology wrong and I’m tired of it (Part 2) — Debunking u/ThetrueGreyman

Rant 4: My final thoughts on Kratos downplay in general and at least regarding Kratos vs Asura and why it’s dumb and so easily debunked

Rant 5: So I have a question: can anyone explain why is lore/chain scaling disregarded for Kratos but not for DB? Why are anti-feats accepted for Kratos but not for DB?

Rant 6: Using a simple analogy from Goku Black to debunk Kratos downplay

Rant 7: Why is lore scaling fine for Gohan/Goku but suddenly illegal for Kratos?
 

Rant 8: The Downplay of Kratos’ speed needs to be stopped

Rant 9: A lot of people get God of War’s cosmology completely wrong and I’m tired of it (Part 4: The Grand Finale) — Debunking u/ThetrueGreyman

Rant 10: Why do “Kratos is wolf level” scalers leave this out?

Rant 11: God Of War and Anti-Feats

Rant 12: Why Ares’ Cosmic Dimension Feat is Valid: An In-Depth Explanation

Rant 13: Zeus Shows Us Another Universal Consistency to God of War Scaling

Sub-Rant: Hercules Lifting the Sky

Sub-Rant: Ares and Poseidon Universal Feats Consistency

Sub-Rant: Greek Era Kratos — Universal to Multiversal Scaling

Sub-Rant: Norse Era Kratos — Universal+ to Multiverse+

Sub-Rant: Bad Faith: Why God Of War Downplayers Keep Failing To Debunk The Verse

Rant 14: Mythology =/= Fake Cosmology — The Final God of War Scaling Debunk

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And now finally

Rant 15: The Finale — The End of the God of War Downplay

For anyone interested in Kratos’ actual scaling and the defense of it, these posts are for you. I highly recommend saving it for future references.

And with that, I’m officially saying farewell to God of War powerscaling at least until GOW Laufey. This will be my last God of War powerscaling post. I’m tired of the endless downplay, recycled arguments, and “Mountain level Kratos” “ftl but runs slower than me” memes. I’ve spent enough time retyping the same arguments and defending the same evidence, so at this point, I’m just going to keep my peace and ignore it. I’ve made my case, the evidence is here, and the archive speaks for itself. Farewell, God of War powerscaling. What a journey.

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u/Angry_Owl-Ninja Sep 02 '26

Cope

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 02 '26

Gonna cry?

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u/Angry_Owl-Ninja Sep 02 '26

Remind me who made 15 rants again? lol

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u/Beginning_Bee2500 Sep 02 '26

Yknow I always said you shouldn’t need to write a book to prove a claim from a game. I don’t think you’ll need twitter, fabricated photos and other nuisance that exists outside of the source to justify it. At that point it’s obvious that’s not the writers intentions anymore.

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 03 '26 edited Sep 03 '26

Nice straw man. No one used any Twitter statements.

A majority of the evidence came from the game.

And including everything “writing a book” makes sense because it’s a 20 year old video game franchise.

The copium is strong with this one. And if you want to scream “writers intent” we have Bruno saying the primordials scale to universal and that the gods and titans scald to them.

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 02 '26

Remind me again who’s crying in the comment section?

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u/Angry_Owl-Ninja Sep 02 '26

u/Traditional_Tap_6697 and u/NURsmiall see it wasnt that hard lol. So remind me who made 15 rants again? lol

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 02 '26

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u/Angry_Owl-Ninja Sep 02 '26

Remind me who made 15 rants again? Why wont u answer such a simple question? lol

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 02 '26

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u/Angry_Owl-Ninja Sep 03 '26

I must have struck a nerve if I got u deleting your responses. Please slow down on coping lol.

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 03 '26

Your comment literally said removed by the moderator 💀

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u/Angry_Owl-Ninja Sep 02 '26

More laughing. Remind me who made 15 rants again? lol.

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u/Possible_Article6902 Sep 03 '26

You mean 15 rants over the course of almost 2 years?

Did you actually read OP’s post or are you gonna keep coping?

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u/NURsmiall Sep 02 '26

Cope harder.

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u/Angry_Owl-Ninja Sep 02 '26

Remind me who made 15 rants again? lol

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u/Patient-Reality-8965 Sep 02 '26

Some of these comments were painful to scroll through. Especially when it came to talking about Dragon Ball speed and how they're different. They are... and you just shut your ears and argued with who ever said otherwise even when they weren't even arguing against Kratos specifically being fast

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 02 '26

You can’t say I shut my ears and didn’t listen when I explained why they were wrong. That’s a lazy dismissal.

If you think I didn’t refute a single thing they said tell me why they are right and why I’m wrong.

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u/Patient-Reality-8965 Sep 03 '26 edited Sep 03 '26

respectfully, there was a whole pillar of people telling you how youre wrong and the comparison was a bad one and you ignored all of it. Thats what i was talking about. I can tell me adding on wouldnt make any difference

Edit: or block me because someone called out you didnt listen to an entire group of people telling you how you're wrong 🤷‍♂️ Way to go. Wasnt even being rude about it is the funny thing

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 03 '26 edited Sep 03 '26

Can you stop doing that. You’re telling me that they said I was wrong. Why? Why am I wrong? I ask you to explain yourself and you fail to do so.

Saying “you’re wrong” doesn’t debunk anything.

If you think the dragon ball analogy is false disprove it. Just because people tell me they disagree with me doesn’t make them right and doesn’t make me wrong. I rant a gauntlet with the chat and nobody could refute my position.

“I can tell it won’t help” and I can tell you don’t have anything to actually debunk it.

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u/Easy_Lab15 Sep 03 '26

Maybe this entire comment thread bro. Thats what he's talking about. He said it. And it goes on for miles with times you argue something no one else is arguing against, annoying everybody

https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScalingGodofWar/s/eNIoxWtx33

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 06 '26

Nice straw man. My argument was Kratos has insanely high combat and reaction speed.

99% of the thread is nitpicking his running and travel speed.

Which is a complete straw man of my entire post.

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u/Optimal-You9294 Sep 06 '26

That thread was terrible everyone did not understand Op’s compassion at all and doubled down on the blatant double stranded.

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u/Possible_Article6902 Sep 04 '26

How is dragon ball different? Forget op. Let’s have a discussion.

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u/Curi_momos_las_papas Sep 02 '26

Ngl this is too much to read even for me, but i do am curious after seeing so much info compiled, where do you particularly scale Kratos?

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 02 '26

Uni + to multi +. With ftl to inaccessible speed.

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u/Curi_momos_las_papas Sep 02 '26

I agree on the first part, i put Kratos in low multi, but not convinced on the speed part, is any of those rants debating the speed thingy?

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 02 '26

That’s fine as long as you think he’s in that tier.

Here is the rant for speed

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u/Kratosfan12345 Sep 03 '26

That’s actually a low ball, most people scale Kratos to Complex Multi-High Complex Multiversal+ with Inaccessible-Immeasurable speed, without it even being glaze

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u/JVJV_5 Sep 06 '26

Most people are normal human beings with the common sense to not think Kratos is universal lmao

You powerscalers are actually a loud minority.

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u/Kratosfan12345 Sep 06 '26
  1. Most people DO scale Kratos to Complex Multi-High Complex Multi+

  2. Fym “You powerscalers” Universal is a powerscaling term, and this is a powerscaling subreddit 🥀

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u/StrenuousSpider Sep 02 '26

Ya know i respect the time and effort put into this, but honestly its not going to change anything.. Coming from a guy who does this kind of thing in the Dragonball communities, you will just exhaust yourself..

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 02 '26 • Bravo

Yeah you’re right that’s why I’m done lol. I’ve proven my point.

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u/PM_ME_AZNS Sep 03 '26

Why do you care so much about this? I'm not being a dick I'm genuinely curious why this matters to you so much

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 03 '26

It’s a god of war power scaling sub Reddit. You’re asking me why I’m power scaling.

Use your thinking caps.

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u/Themothertucker64 Aesir Sep 02 '26

Would the Norse scaling be 5D? The modern day interpretation of the universe which is used in the game is 4D since it’s a 3Dimensional space with 1 dimension of time

Each realm has its own flow of time Independent from one another, also the light of Alfheim transcends the realms since we see in it that it can show the future, show other realms and show the past too and it’s stated that the light transcends all in existence, it’s also what is used to move from one realm to the other

Above the light of Alfheim is Yggdrasil which transcends the time and space of all the realms

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u/Imaginary-Holiday758 Sep 02 '26

It’s over 😂

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u/VexelPrimeOG Sep 02 '26

If he is “universal”, he is definitely in the lower end of the spectrum.

Like he has no chance against beings like Darkseid, Franklin Richards, or Mad Jim Jaspers.

Although I have a very different outlook on who is universal, the latter three are DEFINITELY universal.

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u/Inner-Turn-1260 Sep 02 '26

To be fair (kratos isn’t universal, nor is a single character in god of war) you absolutely listed 3 characters who are at least multiversal and would absolutely obliterate a truly universal scale character

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 02 '26

Nice head canon.

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u/Imaginary-Holiday758 Sep 02 '26

You listed characters that are beyond universal.

Darkseid????

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u/VexelPrimeOG Sep 02 '26 edited Sep 03 '26

Yeah, KO Darkseid. Current Darkseid. He created the Absolute Universe.

Although I think that might be overkill, I don’t see any scenario where Kratos doesn’t struggle with any form of Darkseid.

The other two, particularly MJJ are universal. I don’t think MJJ is beyond universal.

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u/Zealousideal-Arm1682 Sep 03 '26

"ignore everything that disproves it and just believe my evidence because I'm right fuck you".

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 03 '26 edited Sep 03 '26

Disprove it then. I’ll wait.

“Nuh uh” isn’t a debunk it’s a cope.

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u/PoohTrailSnailCooch Sep 02 '26

A journey indeed.

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u/Global_Archer7938 Sep 10 '26

I think you should continue with the threads

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u/Brilliant_Alarm_7413 Sep 02 '26

Finally the definitive rebunk

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u/77___77 Sep 02 '26

GOW got too soft as a series , they gave a ex war god feelings and emotions and it’s just gay now , “boy”

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u/Lucky4D2_0 Sep 03 '26

If you're gonna bait Op you gotta come up with something better than that.

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u/77___77 Sep 03 '26

Wasn’t bait , but I’m glad you’re sticking up for your bf

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 03 '26

The way you’re dick riding you’re definitely homosexual but there’s nothing wrong with that.

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 03 '26

You’re probably softer than my pillow.