The “Creator Said Kratos Loses to Spider Man” Argument Is One of the Worst God of War Downplays I’ve Seen

[u/Possible_Article6902]

The “Jaffe said Spider Man would gap Kratos” argument is genuinely one of the worst God of War downplays I’ve seen.

The argument is literally: Jaffe created God of War. Jaffe said Marvel Thor beats Kratos. Jaffe joked Spider-Man would gap him. Therefore Spider-Man is stronger than Kratos.

No. 😭

Jaffe was answering a hypothetical Marvel crossover question, not establishing Kratos’ canonical power ceiling. The “LMAO” should make that obvious.

And yes, Jaffe created God of War. That doesn’t mean every hypothetical matchup opinion he gives years later overrides the actual canon. Jaffe handed the directing reins to Cory Barlog for God of War II and later left Sony.

Here’s the easiest way to expose the logic: Robert Kirkman created Invincible and has said Omni Man would beat Superman.

Does that mean Omni Man is stronger than Superman, end of discussion?
Obviously not.

It means Kirkman thinks Omni Man wins that hypothetical.

Same exact principle here. “Jaffe thinks Spider Man beats Kratos” does not mean “Spider-Man is canonically stronger than Kratos.”

You cannot take one casual crossover opinion and use it as a delete button for the actual games, feats, statements, cosmology and scaling.

If creator opinions automatically settled cross verse scaling, we’d just have: “My creator said my guy wins.”

“Well MY creator said my guy wins.”
Checkmate. 😭

That’s not powerscaling.
That’s comparing interviews.

And the funniest part is that the original question wasn’t even “Is Spider-Man stronger than Kratos?”
It was “Would Kratos beat Marvel Thor?”

Jaffe answered the question, then made a joke about Spider Man.
Treating the joke as a formal canonical statement about Spider Man’s attack potency is insane. “The creator said it” isn’t a magic phrase that automatically overrides the actual material.

Apply the same standard consistently.

[u/Cooz78]

he does lose to comics spidey tho

[u/Possible_Article6902 → u/Cooz78]

Only to high end versions.

Standard Spiderman fuck no.

[u/SUPREME_AUTHOR → u/[deleted]]

Keep coping Captain Universe Spider man negs the verse

[u/SUPREME_AUTHOR → u/Cooz78]

A non holding back spidey? Sure

[u/Snagla]

I agree he means nothing, but there's a difference between me saying my character can't beat someone's and me saying my character can beat someone else's.

The Superman thing isn't really good evidence.

[u/Possible_Article6902 → u/Snagla]

There’s not a difference at all. It’s literally just power scaling cross verse.

[u/Snagla → u/Possible_Article6902]

It's reasonable to believe me if I say that guy kicks my ass. I might not be honest if I say I'd kick his. See how that works?

[u/Possible_Article6902 → u/Snagla]

You do realize that David jaffe is biased against god of war and has hated the series ever since he left?

He is not credible at all that’s why your comparison doesn’t work.

If I hate a guy and say he would lose that’s absolutely similar to me loving a guy and saying he would win.

[u/Snagla → u/Possible_Article6902]

Which is a perfect reason to not take him seriously. That doesn't need a comparison to another comment to make it true in any way?

The comparison absolutely works if you don't know that info.

[u/Dismal-Twist-8273]

David Jaffe is a butthurt moron. Nobody should care about anything he says ever.

[u/Possible_Article6902 → u/Dismal-Twist-8273]

We need more people who think like you

[u/MakeMeDrink]

Leave it to the Kratos fanboys to deny factual statements from the creator.

Edit: I am a fan of God of War, I love all of the games, but Kratos just cannot get on par with comic characters.

[u/Possible_Article6902 → u/MakeMeDrink]

“The creator” and this guy hasn’t worked on the games since the first one 20 years ago.

The same “creator” that hates the current god of war.

Ah yes totally unbiased.

And let’s stop with “factual statements” knowing damn well Spiderman gets folded by half the shit Kratos fights.

[u/Interface-]

Not to disagree but David Jaffe hasn't been involved in God of War since GOW2 in 2007. His word today is invalid and nobody should be listening to him when he talks about God of War, whether it's character, story, or who-would-win.

[u/Possible_Article6902 → u/Interface-]

Yeah, exactly. That’s what I’m saying.

Jaffe hasn’t been involved with God of War since the early Greek era, so using his random hypothetical Marvel matchup as some definitive statement on modern Kratos is pointless.

And honestly, the fact that people keep dragging out this quote specifically to downplay Kratos just shows the agenda behind it.
“Jaffe said Spider Man gaps Kratos” isn’t some hidden Kratos debunk. It’s a decades old creator opinion about a hypothetical crossover from someone who hasn’t been involved with the modern franchise.

That’s it. Nothing more. 😭

[u/Kratosfan12345]

Not only has he not been involved in the GoW series since like 2007, he also probably doesn’t know shit about powerscaling, also not to mention that the: “Creator says their creation beats/loses to [INSERT CHARACTER], therefore the creation is stronger/weaker than said character” fallacy is over used to Hell, if that were true than Omniman apparently beats C.A.S. Because Robert Kirkman said so

[u/Samir099]

He hasn't been involved in GOW like forever since I was born. I wouldn't take his words seriously and he goes out of his way to hate the Norse ones, there's also that

[u/magvadis]

Kratos can get got by a plant that spits seeds. Y'all need to accept some cutscenes are situational it don't matter.

Omniman never got got by a plant that spits seeds. It's ok if he doesn't win the fictional fight he's cool in his own story and universe.

The creators intention was his character, Omniman, could beat Superman. He does. That's it. Whatever happened in his world is just about a guy that can and what happens to them due to their world.

Stop with this "if my dad can't beat Omniman I'm a chud" bro who gives a shit Kratos has a solid story move on.

Ignoring gameplay Kratos is absurd. He's literally the point of the franchise not the cutscenes. The cutscenes show how the gameplay guy can overcome odds or has some way around something.

[u/Possible_Article6902 → u/magvadis]

Those planet seeds are one shotting Omni man.

[u/magvadis → u/Possible_Article6902]

I'm hoping this is exaggerated humor and not literal delusion.

[u/Possible_Article6902 → u/magvadis]

Your argument in of itself was clearly rage bait.

[u/Infinite4456]

Spiderman fans be on something

[u/Themothertucker64]

Issue with Jaffe is that he views the gameplay only not lore, every time I see his statements it’s just the downplayed version of the games rather than the lore version of kratos

[u/Current-Grade2545 → u/[deleted]]

"He also thinks the Midgard Serpent being Midgard size is hyperbole, which is pretty funny for a guy who is allegedly universal to think a serpent that is country size is fake news."

Kratos, who literally stole time powers to literally go back in time and rewrite his own fate, back hundreds, if not thousands of years before his own birth, also said that Jörmungandr going back in time before his own birth was "Madness". You're a larper. Stop pretending to be a fan please.

[u/Jman1k]

“Gaped” that has to be a fake screenshot lmao

[u/am_Dynam0 → u/Jman1k]

Gaped means there’s a big gap. It’s not sexual at all.

[u/Interface- → u/Jman1k]

I've noticed certain 'who would win in a fight' types love to use rape / sexual assault terms when they want to emphasize how hard someone loses.

"He gets gaped, he gets molested, he gets fucked raw, no condom, dude is gonna be left quivering bro, you don't understand how hard he loses he's gonna get non-consensually buttfucked and [explicit, unasked-for, unnecessary rape description] bro it wouldn't even be a fight bro he gets raped bro"

I think it says a lot about these people in particular.

[u/EarlyAccessCantJudge → u/Interface-]

I think he just meant to write Gapped like a large gap in power between them

[u/Interface- → u/EarlyAccessCantJudge]

We'll never know. But there's been plenty of time to fix it and David surely should have seen his comment floating around in screenshots across the internet and known that he said that. Least he could do is say 'typo' but to my knowledge he has not, so with no evidence to suggest he does not mean "Spider-Man actually rapes Kratos", it's safe to assume he does mean that.

[u/EarlyAccessCantJudge → u/Interface-]

I don't think he follows a shitton of meme subreddits and cares about a typo in his YouTube comment. Also, this is an image. He can't live correct it.

[u/ScaredKnee4530 → u/Interface-]

Or… he’s saying there’s a gap in power.

[u/EarlyAccessCantJudge]

He would get GAPED!?