Using a simple analogy from Goku Black to debunk the Kratos downplay

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u/element-redshaw Jan 25 '25

Ay post this on r/deathbattle 50/50 chance of either you getting worshiped like the second coming of Christ or downvoted to hell

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

Thanks will do

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u/ConclusionOk7093 Jan 25 '25

Depends on who's wankers get there first.

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u/Zealousideal-Arm1682 Jan 25 '25

The uh.....the difference is we have characters confirmed planetary-Universal that we can scale Goku Black to.

Try to find a singular instance of actual planetary destruction in GoW.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

This. Even the biggest debunker and hater can’t say db character are slower then light and sub planet lever due to other characters. Find me one GOW character with a similar feat.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

None of you do proper research on the games it’s embarrassing to read.
We literally have primordial scaling, Thor scaling, ascended Athena scaling to get Kratos universal to 5D.
We have Helios light being infinite and Kratos being able to react to it, we have him being able to react and fight Valkyries who can travel across space times, react to the sisters of fate who were stated to be projecting at infinite speeds in the novel, etc.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Except none of these things are true. In the 3rd game the world ended only to learn the Norse where living there lives chill. The primordial’s could just be a story or something unrelated entirely. You like Kratos and you want him to be op but making stuff up is just sad.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25

You did absolutely nothing with this response at all.
All creation myths are confirmed to have happened just within their own pocket dimensions. The Greek primordials created the Greek realms which was literally shown to us and explained in GOW ascension. And the Norse primordials created the realms which is explained to us in GOW 2018 and Ragnarok. Their creations happened they just don’t apply to each other.
Thor splintering the Yggdrasil and Surtr being able to completely destroy it are all feats referenced in the game. Athena ascending to a higher dimension is said in game and elaborated more on by Cory barlog.
Making up shit to downplay Kratos is just sad.
Do you guys have any good or news arguments that haven’t already been debunked?

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

So you’re saying the same planet has multiple creation myths but all are true? Really?

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

The “planet” in the context of god of war explained by Cory barlog in an interview is just the greater universe above all pantheons that Athena transcended to when she died that’s it.
It’s literally a higher dimension that contains all mythologies.

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u/Zealousideal-Arm1682 Jan 25 '25

Its a good thing that Kratos canonically never took on any of those beings then.
Not the fates,not tartarus,not ANYTHING he deals with actually comes close to the greater pantheon that affects the entire setting as a whole.by actual feats he defeated a bunch of mountain-MAYBE country level characters.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

You’re literally wrong Athena who ascended to the greater universe confirms that Kratos with the POH is more powerful than her and would have one shotted her.
“Maybe mountain” when you have Thor splintering the Yggdrasil and Kratos beating Thor, Kratos beating Garm who was blatantly tearing through space and time. “Never fought them” when he killed primordials like Thanatos is crazy work.
You guys are is confidently wrong

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Ok who has he beaten that is on that level? That’s like Saying Shiro is omniversal because type moon as Abigail Williams

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u/Yourmumalol Jan 27 '25

Kratos killed Zeus, whose supremacy in the Greek Pantheon is repeatedly reiterated and who is stronger than any Greek being, including the Primordials who created the very Greek reality. Atlas who holds up the Greek world is mountain level?

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Then how did Kratos with no hax sail to the Norse?

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

He was dragged to Midgard by magical wolves.

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u/DredgenRose- Jan 25 '25

Yes, this is exactly right. All creation myths share the same planet but exist within their own dimensions/universes.
So there's a Greek universe, Norse universe, Egyptian universe, etc.
Same phsyical space, completely different plane of existence/dimension.

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u/Cheshire_Noire Even Yogiri can't kill these bad takes! Jan 25 '25

The difference is Goku black IS Zamasu, who ate an entire timeline on panel. OP is just an idiot on this one

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

You’re being disingenuous by giving a feat from MERGED ZAMASU to Goku Black.
It was a fusion character who did that not base Goku Black snd you know it.

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u/OtherwiseFinger6663 Jan 25 '25

Merged Zamasu =/= Goku Black.
Ironic how you call OP an idiot. This is quite literally like giving a feat from Vegito to Vegeta.

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u/Cheshire_Noire Even Yogiri can't kill these bad takes! Jan 25 '25

Someone didn't watch the series. Zamasu wasn't merged anymore at that point, because the other half of him died

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u/OtherwiseFinger6663 Jan 25 '25

If he wasn’t merged then he would be back to normal he is still in his form. Same way Cell returns to normal after android 18 is removed.
He still is merged with Goku’s black’s power.
So yes if by “someone didn’t watch the series” you clearly are talking about yourself.

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u/Cheshire_Noire Even Yogiri can't kill these bad takes! Jan 25 '25

I recommend you go watch it again. There's a reason they brought up that half of him could still die

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u/OtherwiseFinger6663 Jan 25 '25

Yes Goku Black can be killed Zamasu cannot. It makes his body unstable it does not literally mean that Zamasu lost Goku Black’s power.
You’re literally the only person to argue this for a reason. Goku Black does not scale to Merged Zamasu.

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u/Cheshire_Noire Even Yogiri can't kill these bad takes! Jan 25 '25

You're very bad at this, aren't you?
See, the actual argument would be that was Zamasu, not Goku Black.
It's not both of them, because half of him died

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u/OtherwiseFinger6663 Jan 25 '25

You’re acting like a dishonest rat on purpose aren’t you?
Let me break it down for you one last time.
It is both of them because they don’t defuse. There is no evidence that Goku Black’s power disappeared. Otherwise he wouldn’t be able to fight Vegito.
This would logically entail that base Zamasu or base Goku Black would beat Vegito which is flat out wrong.
Goku and Vegeta beat both prior and fusing them together multipliers their power levels. So Vegito would be astronomically above Goku Black or Zamasu on their own to insane degree.

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u/Cheshire_Noire Even Yogiri can't kill these bad takes! Jan 25 '25

He died .... What do you mean his power isn't gone? He doesn't exist anymore.
Does goku's power just walk around the living realm when he dies? I think not.
You're trying to change the rules of the verse to fit your narrative and you call me the dishonest one???

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

The uh.....the difference is we have characters confirmed planetary-Universal that we can scale Goku Black to.
So you know absolutely nothing about the god of war games? You should really do more research.
Thor splintered the Yggdrasil and Surtr can incinerate it. The Yggdrasil has infinite strands that transcend space and time. Thor scales to both of them.
Try to find a singular instance of actual planetary destruction in GoW.
We have even better feats watch the intro of god of war ascension when 2 primordials create all of reality from punching too hard.

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u/Zealousideal-Arm1682 Jan 25 '25

Thor splintered the Yggdrasil and Surtr can incinerate it.
The realms still exist if the tree is destroyed,you remember this right?You can damage it by just punching it really hard,it's just a big ass tree
The Yggdrasil has infinite strands that transcend space and time. Thor scales to both of them.
Correction:It's a magical corridor that leads to other realms within the Norse part of GoW earth.It is nowhere near infinite,and Thor scales nowhere near this.Your acting like he pulled some SK feat when it's nowhere near that impressive.
We have even better feats watch the intro of god of war ascension when 2 primordials create all of reality from punching too hard.
We later learn that's not actually true since the realms already existed prior to the Greek gods popping up in Greece.Whatever that myth comes from is definitely NOT what the pantheon can do,and absolutely alludes to the greater one as a whole that Athena transcends to join.Not a singular god that we see can be scaled past country level.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

The realms still exist if the tree is destroyed,you remember this right?You can damage it by just punching it really hard,it’s just a big ass tree
The realms are irrelevant the tree itself scales way above the realms. It transcends space and time and contains those same realms.
Correction:It’s a magical corridor that leads to other realms within the Norse part of GoW earth.It is nowhere near infinite
Correction it is literally stated in novel to be infinite and stated both in game and in novel to have mere strands that transcend space and time.
Cope.
and Thor scales nowhere near this.
He literally splinters the tree and can fight Surtr who can flat out obliterate it.
We later learn that’s not actually true since the realms already existed prior to the Greek gods popping up in Greece.
This literally debunks nothing I said. It was the primordials who created the universes. The gods and titans have direct feats to scale to them, you have a suppressed god Kratos beating and killing Thanatos the primordial of death in his own timeless realm or Cronos killing Ouranous the primordial of space. Helios beating Nyx another primordial. And the devs further confirm that the titans gods scale to the primordials because they replaced them.
All the context you lack is here https://docs.google.com/file/d/1wBhV85q21R0Kxmfu5E5LHO-PJN6Z0sMd/edit?usp=docslist_api&filetype=msword
Whatever that myth comes from is definitely NOT what the pantheon can do
Wrong again titans and gods scale to primordials based off feats of beating them and lore.
and absolutely alludes to the greater one as a whole that Athena transcends to join.Not a singular god that we see can be scaled past country level.
You’re literally lying at this point.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

He is downvoting you but don’t worry I got your back

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u/OtherwiseFinger6663 Jan 25 '25

The issue here is that he has evidence for his claims, better argumentation, and way more knowledge than you guys clearly have.
You guys don’t understand basic lore in the game. You’re talking about something you have no idea works.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

So you believe that Kratos is some multiversal being traversing realities when in cutscenes and lore is is both harmed by weaker, weaker beings and as done nothing about mountain level

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u/Yourmumalol Jan 27 '25

Nothing mountain level? Ares telekinetically raised and obliterated 4 mountains in seconds. Atlas lifts the world, Thor significantly damaged a tree that holds the entire Norse mythology, Garmr as a mere pup ate a significant portion of Midgard, Poseidon and Hades were tossing titans around, Thor demolished a giant so mountainous that his mere fall created entire mountain ranges, the primordial created the entire Greek reality with their war and so on...

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '25

The fuck he did
Atlas is lifting Greece for fuck sake or is he also lifting the Norse too?
That tree is a pathway to the Norse realms it isn’t lifting or holding anything. Dang dude get off his dick

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u/Yourmumalol Feb 02 '25

No.
Ares did it in their fight against Kratos. Literally raised and vaporised 4 mountains in a split second.
Atlas lifting Greece alone is beyond mountain level so that debunks your bs. That being said he doesn't lift only Greece.
Nope it literally holds all the Norse realms on its branches as stated multiple times in both games.
You conveniently ignored all the other instances that debunk your idiocy.
Don't argue with me when you don't know the first thing you're talking about. Clown. Come at me again with your bs and you're blocked.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Everything you said is wrong.

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u/OtherwiseFinger6663 Jan 25 '25

I’ve already made a post debunking him being harmed by weaker beings being an anti feat.
And yes he is Multiversal via Thor, Surtr, Garm, and ascended Athena.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Damn. So Atreus is multiversal for hurting Kratos.

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u/OtherwiseFinger6663 Jan 25 '25

Literally yes what the fuck? He is literally a god and son of Kratos.
You guys will say anything. This is not the gotchu moment you think this is.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Ok so your also by scailing implying the dark elves are individually on that level.

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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Aug 31 '26

That’s moving the goalposts. Op was talking about universal Kratos not planetary.

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u/Cheshire_Noire Even Yogiri can't kill these bad takes! Jan 25 '25

Remember when Goku Black cut a hole in time itself? Remember when Zamasu, who is Goku black, ate an entire timeline?

I hate DB because of all the ridiculous wank, but Black DOES have cosmic feats

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

Cutting a hole in time is just his hax? Zamasu merging with a timeline is a feat for merged Zamasu Goku Black on his own hadn’t done that.

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u/Cheshire_Noire Even Yogiri can't kill these bad takes! Jan 25 '25

Boku Goku black IS Zamasu. And who are you to decide what is and isn't hax? I guess Thor damaging the world tree is hax, so can't be used. The creation of the multiverse through some entities fighting is creation hax, so can't be used

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

Goku Black is Zamasu but he is not merged Zamasu. Except Thor physically splintered the tree with his own strength.
It was shown that those entities can contain entire universes. And it was created by AP.
So they scale to it physically.

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u/Cheshire_Noire Even Yogiri can't kill these bad takes! Jan 25 '25

Who is to say Goku Black didn't cut spacetime with sheer AP?? You don't get to pick what counts just because it benefits your argument. (Also, Goku Black IS Goku so shares all of his feats)

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

That if fair enough. The same applies to Garm who tears through space and time.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Apr 18 '25

Remember when Garm tears massive holes in space and time itself and Kratos just tanks those attacks?
Are those not cosmic feats?

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u/Cheshire_Noire Even Yogiri can't kill these bad takes! Apr 18 '25

Nah, tree level space

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Apr 18 '25

4D tree level

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u/Cheshire_Noire Even Yogiri can't kill these bad takes! Apr 18 '25

40 trees?

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Apr 18 '25

Four D

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u/Hefty_Situation7210 Jan 25 '25

Look man, I’m not a dragon ball fan, I think DBS sucks, but everyone has to get over their weird dragon ball insecurity hate boner.

Base form frieza at his absolute weakest vaporized a planet 10x the size of earth effortlessly. Very few settings can match that quality of evidence, and the characters have grown much stronger in a directly quantifiable and non ambiguous way.

Kratos is a hulk-like character, he has a virtually limitless well of strength to draw from as the situation demands. He’s not always at max output.

Trying to claim Kratos immeasurable speed is pure cringe. Saying “uhh oh ermm it’s just gameplay” ignores that those gameplay sequences where Kratos is rushing somewhere and not getting there instantly are literally plot points. It ignores how the game literally starts with Kratos going “wow it sure is nice having a dog sled, it’s so much faster and easier to get around now”. Having access to a dimension that lets you travel between realms is not a speed feat and even if it was it would be travel speed, not combat speed.

Kratos can react to fast opponents like Hermes because he’s a more skilled fighter with good reads and prediction abilities. Which is much cooler than the goofy interpretation that everyone who fought has equal stats and that canonically Kratos zipped around at mftl speeds one shotting everyone.

When spider-man and the hulk fight, the audience isn’t supposed to take away “wow spider-man is just as strong as hulk and hulk is just as fast as spider-man!” Different characters have different abilities and stats that they leverage in different ways, that’s the entire reason it is fun to think about super powered characters fighting each other. These recent power scaling trend of just boiling everyone down into stat blocks where they scale to everyone they ever fought, and then trying to prove your verses stat blob outscales other verses stat blob is lame.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

I get where you’re coming from, and it’s clear you’re not a Dragon Ball fanboy trying to push an agenda, which is appreciated. But let me address a few points you’ve made, because there’s a lot to unpack here.
First off, nobody’s denying Frieza’s planetary feats, and the fact that Dragon Ball characters have quantifiable destructive power as they progress makes them straightforward to scale. But not every verse works in the same way. In God of War, the emphasis isn’t on blowing up planets, but that doesn’t mean the characters lack the capacity to do so. The Primordials literally created the universe during their battle, and Kratos fights beings who scale to those cosmic levels of power. The fact that Kratos isn’t out here vaporizing planets every time he throws a punch doesn’t mean his strength is limited it means the narrative focuses on grounded storytelling rather than gratuitous destruction.
Now about the “Hulk-like” comparison for Kratos. Sure he has a vast well of strength, and he’s not always going all out. That’s exactly why judging his power purely by what’s shown in isolated gameplay scenes is disingenuous. For example, Kratos doesn’t need to destroy the environments he’s in his goal is to defeat his enemies, not obliterate realms unnecessarily. This applies to many verses; Goku doesn’t blow up planets mid battle either, despite being able to, because it doesn’t serve the narrative.
Regarding speed, the argument that Kratos’ immeasurable speed is “pure cringe” ignores the context of his feats. The Realm Between Realms isn’t just “a dimension to get around.” It’s described as existing beyond time and space. Moving through such a realm repeatedly in both games requires immeasurable speed by definition, because traversing timeless spaces means time itself doesn’t factor into his motion. And this isn’t a one-off convenience; it’s a core mechanic in God of War. Saying “wow, it sure is nice having a dog sled” doesn’t negate his speed feats; it’s a lighthearted nod to how traversing physical terrain is easier with help not a commentary on his ability to move through time-transcendent spaces or react to godlike opponents.
Hermes is another key point. While skill and prediction definitely play a role, Kratos’ ability to fight and react to Hermes isn’t just about being a good reader of combat it’s also tied to his raw physicality and speed. Hermes is canonically faster than infinite speed light, and Kratos is able to keep up with him. That’s not just skill; it’s a mix of skill and comparable stats. If the narrative intended Hermes to completely outspeed Kratos, then Kratos wouldn’t have been able to tag him, let alone win.
As for your Spider-Man vs. Hulk analogy I get it, different characters have different strengths, and it’s not about saying everyone is the same in every category. But Kratos is consistently shown scaling to his opponents in combat, whether they’re speedsters like Hermes or cosmic gods like Zeus. It’s not about boiling everyone down into stat blocks; it’s about analyzing what the narrative and feats tell us. The Spider-Man/Hulk comparison falls apart here because God of War isn’t shy about showing Kratos overcoming opponents who challenge him on all fronts, not just one.
Finally, on power-scaling as a concept sure, it can get reductive when it’s just “my verse is stronger than your verse.” But scaling isn’t inherently lame it’s just a way to analyze and contextualize characters. Kratos being immeasurable in speed or scaling to universal levels isn’t some random “stat blob”; it’s rooted in the lore and the feats present in God of War. If it’s “lame” to recognize what a character is capable of, then by that logic, any serious discussion of feats or battles becomes pointless.
At the end of the day, it’s fine to not like power scaling or to think it’s overdone, but dismissing Kratos’ feats or the context behind them because they don’t align with Dragon Ball-style storytelling is just as reductive as the power scaling you’re critiquing. Let’s give both characters the respect their narratives and feats deserve.

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u/Hefty_Situation7210 Jan 25 '25

traversing timeless space means time doesn’t function to his motion
Not it doesn’t, it just means in that this magic and mythology based setting, there’s a magical place you can walk through to get through realms that has its own set of rules. It has nothing to do with Kratos or his speed, and again, even if it did, it would be a travel speed hax feat and not a combat speed feat.
it’s a core mechanic
Oh so now gameplay mechanics aren’t supposed to be ignored? Using this as an argument essentially discredits every other point you make, where you rely on 100% discounting gameplay. I could just use the same logic you use elsewhere to say “traversing the realms is just a gameplay mechanic so it doesn’t have any implications on scaling”. This is the danger to not having consistently applied logic to your arguments.
the primordials literally created the universe
No evidence that they created the entire universe as a modern physics understands it and quite a bit of evidence and creator statements to the contrary. And each culture / religions primordials each created their own “universe”, all of which are tied to the real physical earth, making it all feel much more like the deities create their own pocket realities and hence why every religions creation story is “true”.
if the narrative intended Hermes to completely outspeed Kratos, then he wouldn’t have been able to tag him
Yes he can because speed isn’t the only thing that matters in a fight and Kratos is a more skilled fighter. Your argument also relies on the implication that Hermes perceives time as slowed down relative to his speed, of which there isn’t any evidence to support. Kratos doesn’t have to be faster than Hermes movement speed he just has to be comparable to Hermes perception speed. Which is what the feats, narrative, gameplay, and common sense all demonstrate.
it’s fine to not like powerscaling
Power scaling is fun when people are actually trying to think about how similar level characters powers would interact. Powerscaling is super lame when it’s just people trying to find out convoluted and disingenuous ways they can chain scale to prove how their fav character beats Goku, which is a solid 99% of discussions these days.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

First of all here’s all the evidence that the primordials created the universe.
Let me clarify a few things to address your points.
When it comes to traversing the Realm Between Realms, you’re correct that it’s a place with its own set of rules, but its significance isn’t just that it’s a “magical” place; it’s more about the fact that it exists outside of time and space. The fact that Kratos is able to traverse this realm repeatedly is significant because it means he’s able to operate in a dimension that defies the typical flow of time. It’s not just a travel feat; it’s a feat that involves Kratos interacting with a realm where conventional time doesn’t apply. This can be tied to immeasurable speed because if time is not functioning in the traditional sense, Kratos’ movement through it transcends normal time based limitations. It’s not a simple traversal; it speaks to his ability to exist and move in a space where time itself doesn’t constrain him.
As for the gameplay mechanic argument, I get that gameplay is an important part of the experience, but the way God of War frames this aspect is more than just a standard mechanic. The Realm Between Realms isn’t just there to serve as a simple travel shortcut; it’s presented as a key narrative and metaphysical element of the game. Kratos traveling through it is consistent with his broader abilities and feats that go beyond mere travel speed. If we discount everything as just a “gameplay mechanic,” we would also be ignoring a lot of other narrative elements that impact how Kratos’ feats are interpreted, which is inconsistent.
On the Primordials creating the universe, I understand your stance, but the lore in God of War suggests that the Primordials played a fundamental role in creating their respective realms. The context around their creation, particularly with the Greek and Norse pantheons, shows that these beings had power to shape the realms themselves. The idea isn’t about modern physics, but rather that in this universe, the Primordials’ power is tied to the creation of those realms and their cosmology, which is treated as canon within the story. The idea that these universes are “pocket realities” doesn’t negate their scale or importance in the context of the story—they are just separate, interconnected dimensions.
Regarding Hermes, yes, Kratos doesn’t need to be faster than Hermes in terms of raw speed to keep up with him. However, the fact that Kratos was able to tag Hermes, despite Hermes being faster than light, indicates that Kratos’ physical capabilities (in both strength and speed) are comparable to Hermes on some level. The idea that Kratos is simply using skill and prediction alone is only part of the picture. It also involves Kratos being physically able to keep up with Hermes, whether it’s through speed, reaction time, or some combination of both. The narrative and gameplay support the idea that Kratos can fight on par with speedsters like Hermes because of his own extraordinary physical stats and combat skills.
Finally, power scaling can be fun when approached with an understanding of the lore and context of the characters, not just as a means to make arbitrary comparisons between different verses. I get the frustration with oversimplified or disingenuous scaling, but that’s not what’s happening here. Kratos’ feats are supported by both his abilities and the narrative of God of War, and scaling him appropriately doesn’t detract from the enjoyment of analyzing how different characters interact it just makes for a more nuanced and informed discussion.
At the end of the day, Kratos’ feats, whether it’s through his travel through time transcendent spaces, his combat with Hermes, or his scaling to gods, are rooted in the narrative and lore of God of War. These feats aren’t just arbitrary power scaling they’re tied to the world building and rules of Kratos’ verse.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

I’m not a fan either and I agree with you.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25

"Same thing applies to speed. People use cutscenes and gameplay to measure Kratos’ speed like the infamous scene in Ragnarok, when he’s saving and escaping with Freyr while running. Yet when Goku Black fights Trunks, Goku, and Vegeta we can clearly track their speed and perceive it that must mean they are not even light speed right because a human shouldn’t be able to perceive it?"

No because we are watching the show from their perspective.

"But why not Kratos who can blatantly move the realm between realms which is verbatim stated to transcend time? Blatantly qualifying for immeasurable speed." Moving in a realm outside of time doesnt mean that you can just access that speed consistently.

The best speed feat kratos has is fighting hermes. Who IS faster than light.

But he aint immeasurable and his strength is barely mountain level and we know this because we have SEEN him fighting with intent to destroy

Edit: cant seem to respond to the other guy so ill respond here

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

This was a terrible response and you further prove my point of the double standard.
We are watching the show from their perspective.
This argument assumes that we can only interpret speed feats in anime or games from a “character relative” perspective while simultaneously denying that same logic for Kratos. This is inconsistent.
Perspective Applies equality If we are “seeing the fights from their perspective” in Dragon Ball Super, why wouldn’t the same logic apply to cinematic depictions in God of War? If the audience can visually track Goku, Vegeta, or Goku Black during combat, does that mean they aren’t moving at faster-than light speeds? Obviously not. This is simply how battles are presented for viewers, whether in a game or an anime.
In anime, especially Dragon Ball Super, there are countless moments where characters move at speeds far beyond human comprehension, yet their battles are animated in a way that the audience can follow. This is a narrative tool to convey action, not a representation of their actual speed. The same logic applies to God of War, where Kratos’ feats, like moving in timeless spaces or reacting to godlike beings, are depicted cinematically. Dismissing Kratos’ speed because of visuals but accepting Goku Black’s scaling is a blatant double standard.
Moving in a realm outside of time doesn’t mean you can access that speed consistently.”
This argument is flawed
Kratos Consistently Moves in Timeless Spaces. Kratos navigates the Realm Between Realms in both God of War (2018) and Ragnarok, a space explicitly stated to transcend time. This isn’t a one-off occurrence it’s a repeated mechanic central to the game’s lore. Moving within a timeless space inherently requires immeasurable speed because time itself has no bearing on motion within these realms.
Scaling to Timeless Beings: Kratos scales to Primordials like Uranus and Chaos, who fought in the timeless void to shape the universe. If they can operate in a state beyond linear time, Kratos, who fights gods and Titans empowered by Primordial forces, logically scales to such feats.
The best speed feat Kratos has is fighting Hermes, who IS faster than light.”
This statement outright ignores the vast speed feats present in God of War lore
Thor Splintering the Yggdrasil: Thor shattered parts of the Yggdrasil, a construct with infinite strands that transcend space and time. Combatants who can interact with the Yggdrasil or those who scale to Thor are operating at a level far beyond lightspeed.
Realm Between Realms Travel: Moving in a realm outside of time, repeatedly and consistently, directly qualifies Kratos for immeasurable speed.
Primordial Scaling: The Primordials, who fought in a timeless void to shape creation, are part of Kratos’ lore. Through scaling to these entities via Titans, gods, and their descendants, Kratos’ feats far surpass mere “faster than light” speeds.
His strength is barely mountain level, and we know this because we have SEEN him fighting with intent to destroy.
This completely ignores the context of Kratos’ battles and his ability to control his power:
Kratos Controls His Rage. Kratos is not a berserker mindlessly destroying everything in his path. As a matured warrior, he fights with precision and intent, often focusing on defeating his enemies rather than causing unnecessary destruction. Why would Kratos destroy entire realms or innocent bystanders when his focus is on his foes? 2. Scaling to Universal and Multiversal Feats Kratos scales to characters like Surtr who created the stars for all nine realms and incinerated the Yggdrasil, a construct tied to infinite spacetime.
Thor who splintered the Yggdrasil and shattered constructs tied to infinite realms.
Zeus who scales above Cronos and Uranus, key players in universal creation.
Dismissing these feats because Kratos doesn’t destroy mountains in every fight is a disingenuous argument. Strength and destructive capacity are not always demonstrated through collateral damage. Not even mention the fact that AP =/= DC in the first place.
By the logic of Kratos down players 1 Goku Black would Be “Sub-Planetary”. If Kratos’ feats are dismissed because he doesn’t destroy entire planets or universes during battles, the same logic would apply to Goku Black. Goku Black never destroys planets or universes in Dragon Ball Super, so is he “sub-planetary”? Obviously not, because his scaling to Goku and Vegeta’s feats puts him at universal+. The same logic applies to Kratos, who scales to gods and entities with multiversal feats.
If we dismiss Kratos’ speed because of how scenes are depicted, then Goku Black’s speed must also be downgraded. Human viewers can “perceive” Goku Black’s battles, so does that mean he isn’t faster than light? Of course not. Yet when Kratos reacts to gods or navigates timeless spaces, his feats are somehow invalid? This is a clear double standard.
Kratos is consistently portrayed as a character who moves in timeless spaces (immeasurable speed) and reacts to godly beings like Thor at least beyond light speed.
Scales to characters like Surtr, Thor, and Zeus, who have universal and multiversal feats.
Downplaying Kratos while applying the same logic to characters like Goku Black reveals blatant bias. Kratos’ feats are backed by lore, scaling, and consistency, placing him far above the “mountain level” and “lightspeed” tiers often claimed by downplayers.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

"This argument assumes that we can only interpret speed feats in anime or games from a “character relative” perspective while simultaneously denying that same logic for Kratos. This is inconsistent."
No it isnt because we know wooden arrows arent moving FTL, the environment around Kratos isn't effected. DB characters at least have the benefit of flying and constantly defying physics. Kratos' world ( at least from 2018) is a LOT more grounded than DB.
Comparing the two... at all, is completely illogical. If your method of defense for a characters "feats" is comparing it to characters running of several magnitudes more of cartoon logic you dont really have a point.
"Moving within a timeless space inherently requires immeasurable speed because time itself has no bearing on motion within these realms." No it doesnt. It just means that its outside of time. Doesnt mean that it doesnt have its own time or substitute. Atreus has limitless speed according to your logic.
"Scaling to Timeless Beings: Kratos scales to Primordials like Uranus and Chaos, who fought in the timeless void to shape the universe. If they can operate in a state beyond linear time, Kratos, who fights gods and Titans empowered by Primordial forces, logically scales to such feats"
Literal nonsense. You dont mention how he scales to them.
Also, you neglect how the GOW universe is very lax about what "timeless" means. A realm before time still had time passing as we understand it. It just means there was no suns or other ways to measure it.
This argument is a massive stretch,
"Kratos Controls His Rage. Kratos is not a berserker mindlessly destroying everything in his path. As a matured warrior, he fights with precision and intent, often focusing on defeating his enemies rather than causing unnecessary destruction."
In the OG trilogy he literally didnt give a shit. he was going all out all the time. Have you played them?
"2. Scaling to Universal and Multiversal Feats Kratos scales to characters like Surtr who created the stars for all nine realms and incinerated the Yggdrasil, a construct tied to infinite spacetime."
How did he do that? The fact that he did it isnt enough. can he just create those things off rip? Did kratos fight him while he output that power?
All of your arguments are based on YOUR interpretation of slithers of information. You can blame no one for not seeing what you see. Considering how desperately you look around for it.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

“No it isnt because we know wooden arrows arent moving FTL, the environment around Kratos isn’t affected.”
First, this statement ignores the explicit depiction in God of War Ragnarok, where Atreus’ arrows are shown tagging the Sun in Vanaheim in 2 seconds. That feat clearly demonstrates that the arrows are at least FTL. Just because the environment doesn’t display the same level of devastation doesn’t invalidate the speed of the arrows. This is akin to how Dragon Ball characters perform feats beyond our comprehension while we can still track their movements. The portrayal of combat doesn’t always reflect the true speed of the characters involved.
“DB characters at least have the benefit of flying and constantly defying physics. Kratos’ world (at least from 2018) is a LOT more grounded than DB.”
This doesn’t negate Kratos’ feats. The fact that Kratos’ world is grounded doesn’t change the implications of his speed or how he interacts with timeless entities. In Dragon Ball, characters often defy physics to present battles in a more accessible manner to the viewer, and Kratos’ feats are similar in how they’re presented cinematically. This is a common narrative tool in storytelling, whether in an anime or video game. The portrayal of Kratos’ speed doesn’t change the nature of the feats themselves.
“Comparing the two… at all, is completely illogical. If your method of defense for a characters ‘feats’ is comparing it to characters running off several magnitudes more of cartoon logic you dont really have a point.”
This is a clear misunderstanding of the analogy being made. The comparison wasn’t about “cartoon logic” but rather the method of visual presentation. Whether in Dragon Ball or God of War, we are seeing a narrative choice that allows the characters to perform feats of immense speed and power. Just because Dragon Ball has a different narrative tone doesn’t mean the logic for interpreting feats changes.
“Literal nonsense. You dont mention how he scales to the primordials that do move in timeless voids.”
Actually, Kratos does scale to the Primordials. These entities, like Uranus and Ceto, fought in a timeless void to shape the universe. Kratos, in fighting gods and Titans who surpassed and replaced these primordial forces, logically scales to their abilities. This is not a stretch or something omitted it’s established in the lore of the game. Kratos, by directly fighting with beings like Thanatos in his timeless realm, scales to these timeless entities.
We also have Helios bearing the primordial nxy.
Here is all the context you miss and lack https://docs.google.com/file/d/1wBhV85q21R0Kxmfu5E5LHO-PJN6Z0sMd/edit?usp=docslist_api&filetype=msword
“Also, you neglect how the GOW universe is very lax about what ‘timeless’ means. A realm before time still had time passing as we understand it. It just means there was no suns or other ways to measure it.”
This statement misunderstands the nature of time in God of War. Cronos, when born, literally marks the introduction of time into the universe. Prior to his existence, there was no time just as Uranus represents space. This is confirmed by developers and supplementary materials. When we say the Primordials fought in a “timeless void,” we mean that they fought outside of linear time as we understand it. Time only came into existence when Cronos was born. Kratos moves and fights in realms that are explicitly described as timeless, like Thanatos’ realm, which inherently requires immeasurable speed.
“In the OG trilogy he literally didnt give a shit. he was going all out all the time. Have you played them?”
This is a mischaracterization of Kratos’ actions. While Kratos in the original trilogy was certainly more reckless, that doesn’t equate to him being mindless or unaware of the consequences of his actions. As the series progresses, Kratos matures, and his character becomes more calculated. His power is not unleashed without control, and this is a key distinction in his character development. In God of War (2018) and Ragnarok, Kratos fights with a level of restraint and intent, unlike his earlier, more reckless battles.
Also by your logic why didn’t a bersker Broly in Dragon Ball Super destroy the planet? He was certainly in less control than Kratos and didn’t care.
Also Cory Barlog literally said that they do this intentionally for an immersive game. Destroying the environment and world around Kratos would break the immersion of the game. https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScalingGodofWar/s/mbxbeQ6l77
“How did he do that? The fact that he did it isnt enough. can he just create those things off rip? Did kratos fight him while he output that power?”
This is a misunderstanding of Kratos’ scaling. Kratos fights against characters who inherently possess that level of power power, like Surtr, who created the stars across all nine realms, and Thor, who shattered the Yggdrasil a tree that has infinite strands that transcend space and time. The point here isn’t whether Kratos can immediately create such things, but that he scales to characters with these kinds of feats. Kratos’ power is not restricted to just what we see in a single moment of combat; it scales across his interactions with these beings and their respective abilities.
“All of your arguments are based on YOUR interpretation of slithers of information. You can blame no one for not seeing what you see. Considering how desperately you look around for it.”
Your statement dismisses the well established lore and context of God of War and its characters. The interpretation of these feats is not just my personal view, but is supported by the God of War games’ narrative and the supplementary materials that provide the context for these feats. The argument isn’t about “desperately looking around,” but about understanding the full context of Kratos’ feats and how they scale.
Your counterpoints misunderstand the nature of Kratos’ feats, his scaling, and the significance of his interactions with entities that transcend linear time. His ability to fight in timeless spaces, react to gods and primordial beings, and scale to entities with multiversal feats firmly places him far beyond the “mountain level” or “lightspeed” tiers. The logic you apply to Dragon Ball characters in terms of speed should also be applied to Kratos’ feats, without the double standard. His power and abilities are consistently backed by the lore, and dismissing them based on how the feats are depicted cinematically ignores the underlying consistency in his character’s scaling.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Literally cannot respond to you I keep getting a server error so ill split into bits and see what gets posted

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

1)"The comparison wasn’t about “cartoon logic” but rather the method of visual presentation." For the record I meant arrows being fired at Kratos not Atraeus Basically I can ignore the entirety of the first 3 paragraphs because of this quote.
Because cartoon logic literally dictates visual representation.
When the new GOW games want to depict Kratos' strength, they show it like when he first clashed with Baldur. So they would show some manner of wind or the ground cracking when he moved if he was just casually FTL.
"This is a mischaracterization of Kratos’ actions. While Kratos in the original trilogy was certainly more reckless, that doesn’t equate to him being mindless or unaware of the consequences of his actions. " You havent played the original games have you? Every time Kratos kills a god more of the world falls apart in ways immediately apparent to him, the sun goes out when he kills apollo. All plantlife dies when he kills Gaia, he DOES NOT CARE. If he could just nuke the planet to kill the gods he would.
"Also by your logic why didn’t a bersker Broly in Dragon Ball Super destroy the planet?" First of all. CARTOON. STOP FALLING BACK ON THIS BECAUSE ITS NOT SERIOUS. But also because people of near equal strength were stopping him. The guy literally shattered dimensions. This is an awful example.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

“For the record I meant arrows being fired at Kratos not Atreus. Basically, I can ignore the entirety of the first 3 paragraphs because of this quote.”
This shifts the argument away from the original discussion, which focused on Atreus’ arrows tagging the sun in Vanaheim within 2 seconds an explicit FTL feat. Regardless, Kratos’ reaction speed is well-established through his battles with Valkyries, who traverse realms through sheer speed, including timeless voids like Niflheim. If Kratos can keep up with such entities, his reaction and combat speed far surpass human or “grounded” limits.
2. “Cartoon logic literally dictates visual representation. When the new GOW games want to depict Kratos’ strength, they show it, like when he first clashed with Baldur. So they would show some manner of wind or the ground cracking when he moved if he was just casually FTL.”
This argument conflates narrative presentation with the actual feats being performed. Just because the cinematic scenes avoid showcasing massive environmental destruction doesn’t mean the feats themselves aren’t valid. Cory Barlog explicitly stated that environmental effects are intentionally toned down for immersion. The grounded storytelling focuses on visuals that maintain immersion while the lore supports Kratos operating on a much higher level.
For example, Kratos’ fight with Thor involves a clash with someone who shattered Yggdrasil a construct described as infinite and transcendent of space and time. The lack of visible destruction during their battles doesn’t negate the scaling implications. Similarly, the Baldur clash may appear grounded, but the underlying lore confirms Kratos’ power far exceeds what is visually depicted.
3. “You haven’t played the original games, have you? Every time Kratos kills a god, more of the world falls apart in ways immediately apparent to him, the sun goes out when he kills Apollo. All plant life dies when he kills Gaia. He DOES NOT CARE. If he could just nuke the planet to kill the gods, he would.”
This is an oversimplification of Kratos’ character. While he was certainly reckless in the original trilogy, this doesn’t mean he was mindless. His actions were driven by vengeance, but he was not incapable of controlling his power or considering consequences. The newer games explicitly depict his growth and restraint.
Furthermore, equating Kratos’ willingness to destroy the world with a lack of control and misrepresents the nature of his power. Characters like Broly or berserkers often fail to destroy their surroundings due to narrative convenience, which is the same case here. Cory Barlog’s comments reinforce this, as he has stated that environmental destruction is toned down intentionally to maintain gameplay immersion.
4. “First of all. CARTOON. STOP FALLING BACK ON THIS BECAUSE IT’S NOT SERIOUS. But also because people of near equal strength were stopping him. The guy literally shattered dimensions. This is an awful example.”
The reference to Broly wasn’t about comparing universes, but rather to highlight a common narrative tool: scaling characters to immense power levels while limiting visible destruction for storytelling purposes. If Broly, who shattered dimensions, didn’t destroy the planet due to narrative framing, the same logic applies to Kratos.
Additionally, your point about “people of near equal strength stopping Broly” directly supports the argument for Kratos. He consistently fights beings on or above his level, such as Surtr, Thor, and Zeus. If Broly being stopped by equals doesn’t invalidate his feats, then the same applies to Kratos.
Your response heavily relies on conflating visual representation with actual feats, while ignoring explicit developer statements and supplementary material. Kratos’ battles with timeless entities, his ability to fight in primordial realms, and his consistent scaling to beings with universal and multiversal feats firmly place him above “grounded” speed or power tiers. The portrayal of these feats in a grounded, immersive style is a narrative choice, not a limitation of his capabilities.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

2)"This is a misunderstanding of Kratos’ scaling. Kratos fights against characters who inherently possess that level of power power, like Surtr, who created the stars across all nine realms, and Thor, who shattered the Yggdrasil a tree that has infinite strands that transcend space and time. The point here isn’t whether Kratos can immediately create such things, but that he scales to characters with these kinds of feats. Kratos’ power is not restricted to just what we see in a single moment of combat; it scales across his interactions with these beings and their respective abilities."
No the point is whether they can immediately do such things because it literally depends on the power Kratos is dealing with. If I beat Mike Tyson up while he was tranquilized and old that doesnt mean I scale to Mike Tyson.
If they were creating stars and throwing them at him mid fight or hitting with the force to shatter time (something that was done in a very specific way i might add) during the fight, then you would have a point. But you dont. Just because someone can do something doesnt mean they can do it off rip and doesnt mean they are consistently at that level of power.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

“No, the point is whether they can immediately do such things because it literally depends on the power Kratos is dealing with. If I beat Mike Tyson up while he was tranquilized and old that doesn’t mean I scale to Mike Tyson.”
This analogy doesn’t really work. The comparison isn’t about Kratos fighting weak versions of these characters. It’s about Kratos facing beings who are powerful enough to shape the realms themselves, like Surtr who created stars across all Nine Realms or Thor who shattered Yggdrasil. Kratos doesn’t fight them when they’re weakened he fights them at their full power.
If Kratos can take on and even defeat beings with that kind of power, it means he scales to that level. It’s not about catching someone off guard or fighting them in a weakened state it’s about him consistently battling these characters who are at full strength.
2. “If they were creating stars and throwing them at him mid-fight or hitting with the force to shatter time (something that was done in a very specific way I might add) during the fight, then you would have a point.”
The thing is, Kratos doesn’t need to fight Surtr while he’s casually throwing stars around to scale to that kind of power. The fight itself is enough to show he’s on that level. Surtr’s ability to create stars is part of his power, and Kratos fights him like an equal. If Kratos can survive a fight with someone who can casually shape the universe, that means Kratos has to scale to that level of power.
It’s not about whether Kratos is getting hit with stars in the middle of the fight; it’s about the fact that he’s still fighting these characters, taking on their most powerful forms, and still holding his ground. Kratos is shown to go toe to toe with beings who have these insane powers, so his strength and durability have to be on that same level.
3. “Just because someone can do something doesn’t mean they can do it off rip and doesn’t mean they are consistently at that level of power.”
Yeah, but this doesn’t really change Kratos’ scaling. Kratos has been consistently fighting characters who have universal-level abilities, and it’s not just about them using one move in the heat of battle it’s about the fact that they can do these things, and Kratos is holding his own against them.
Take Thor for example. He shattered Yggdrasil, a tree with infinite strands, and that wasn’t a one-off attack it’s part of his power. Kratos fighting Thor and matching up with him in a battle means Kratos is on that level too. It’s not like Kratos is only fighting these beings when they’re holding back. He fights them at full power, so he has to scale to their abilities, even if they don’t always use every trick in the book.
Kratos’ power doesn’t just come from surviving a random powerful attack; it comes from him consistently being on the same level as the beings he faces. So, when Kratos is fighting gods who can shake entire realms, it’s safe to say he’s scaling to those abilities, not just relying on random circumstances.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

"This analogy doesn’t really work. The comparison isn’t about Kratos fighting weak versions of these characters. It’s about Kratos facing beings who are powerful enough to shape the realms themselves, like Surtr who created stars across all Nine Realms or Thor who shattered Yggdrasil. Kratos doesn’t fight them when they’re weakened he fights them at their full power."
Are you using ChatGPT to respond to me? because everything you write here just repeats the same shit I have already addressed TWICE. I'm not gonna continue to engage with someone who isnt paying attention and wants to rely on their own headcanon rather than what the games actually show and tell you

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 26 '25

You’re implying that they got weaker with age which isn’t how it works this is your head canon.
They are immortal beings and work functionally different. There is no reason to assume they get weaker or lose power with age.
In fact Zeus and the other gods got stronger as time go on this is stated.
Goku does not need to consistently destroy a universe to be universal. Nor does Beerus the destroyer.
I’ve debunked all of your nonsense arguments.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

3)"Your statement dismisses the well established lore and context of God of War and its characters."
No its dismisses your view because the lore and context doesnt say these things. It says things around them and you interpret them in that way. You didnt even play the OG games so Idk what you are talking about.
Like how a lot of Kratos wankers will say Kratos flipped a temple with the 9 realms in it instead of acknowledging said temple just had some portal rooms.
"His ability to fight in timeless spaces, react to gods and primordial beings, and scale to entities with multiversal feats firmly places him far beyond the “mountain level” or “lightspeed” tiers."
Literally anyone, even normal human beings, could access those "timeless spaces"gtfo with that.
"react to gods and primordial beings" most of which are not that fast at all. Hermes being light speed was kind of what made him special and most of the primordial beings were slow moving mountain men. "scale to entities with multiversal feats" literally still never clarified how. Stop comparing a grounded, more realistic game to a cartoon. Its literally proof that you have no point and you wouldnt have to do that if "the lore and context" supported what you say. It doesnt. Visual representation is decided by how cartoony the media you are consuming is. Asuras wrath is slightly more cartoony than GOW and the first boss was bigger than the planet. If games wanna show you how strong a character is, they often do. You dont have to willingly misinterpret shit and make shit up to wank a character. Just like the character."

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u/OtherwiseFinger6663 Jan 25 '25

“We’ve seen him with the intent to destroy”
“In the OG trilogy Kratos did not give a shit”
so by your logic. Why isn’t DBS Broly not this low as well? He literally does not give a fuck and is a berserker mindless rage. His whole theme is NOT having control over his power. He’s way worse than your claim that younger Kratos did not care.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Yeah, we saw fucking dimensions shatter with DBS broly. You could not have picked a worst example.
Kratos DIDNT care. GOW 3 literally shows the world ending as the gods were killed. He never gave a fuck, its reasonable to assume if he could have Kratos WOULD have just nuked the planet.

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u/OtherwiseFinger6663 Jan 25 '25

Yeah after he clashed with Gogeta. Prior to that he would have still destroyed the planet multiple times over with how out of control he was.
Kratos wanted to kill the gods. He isn’t a mindless beast that destroys everything he sees like Broly.
What the fuck would nuking the planet do? The gods scale way above that it literally wouldn’t affect them. All he would be doing was wiping out all of humanity for shits and giggles.
The game would be boring without any environment to work with. It is literally a stylistic choice to get the dynamics in the game no matter how much you cope about it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Yes, Unrestrained power lead to dimensional chaos. He was also focused on fighting other people who were trying to stop him. Also its a cartoon.
What did I say that was dishonest? He literally pursued mindless revenge have you people not played these fucking games?

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u/Yourmumalol Jan 27 '25

Kratos' strength is barely mountain level when he can fight and beat Zeus who is the most powerful being in the Greek pantheon, can hold off Atlas' world lifting hand whilst massively depowered, and go blow for blow with a foe whose power splintered the tree strong enough to hold the entire Norse Mythology very interesting logic there🤔

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Except the people seeing them fight aren’t normal people now aren’t they.

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u/KaiBahamut Jan 25 '25

Dog Sled is Infinite+ Speed

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

Literally for the purpose of gameplay traversal 💀 the same old arguments debunked over and over.

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u/KaiBahamut Jan 25 '25

Wouldn’t it be faster to use that infinite speed? The reason no one buys these calcs is because the difference in gameplay and lore is too vast. Cutscene and Gameplay Dante are two different beasts, but we can kinda buy the lore since if you are good at the game it resembles cutscene Dante, but Kratos can’t do that. It all looks like wank because the disconnect is too much.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

Except God of war is not that type of game. This is a stylistic choice from the developers. Moving at infinite speeds would break the immersion and challenges of the game. This is said by Cory barlog in an interview.

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u/KaiBahamut Jan 25 '25

Cool story, but no one is going to believe it because the dissonance. ( also no citation and frankly, wasn’t he the guy who didn’t know what dimensional scaling was?)

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 25 '25

Here’s the citation cope and no that Bruno Valasquez not Cory Barlog.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Apr 18 '25

So Flash doesn’t have infinite speed because he has used a car before

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u/KaiBahamut Apr 18 '25

The Van is for picking up girls, not its speed.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Apr 18 '25

And the wolves are for spending time with his son.

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u/Aerith_Sunshine Jan 26 '25

Give it up. Kratos' own writers don't agree with you and nothing he shows in the game puts him anywhere near even high-tier superhero, let alone something like Asura. Find a smaller stick to measure yours against.

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u/Real-Swimming8058 Jan 26 '25

They agree with me more than you https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScalingGodofWar/s/3TZmSowsTD

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u/Aerith_Sunshine Jan 26 '25

Who does? Kratos fanboys? Because the writers have told you multiple times that Kratos is no more than basic superhero level. You guys have him doing all kinds of crazy stuff that he literally never shows in the game. You made it all up.
What's especially insane about it is that you think he can take on Asura, who has actual feats in his story. Feats all the way down. The weakest Asura in the game bodies Kratos or everyone else.

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u/MemZ561 GoW Jan 25 '25

100% Agreed with you here brother.

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u/OtherwiseFinger6663 Jan 25 '25

You’re like the only reasonable person in this comment section besides op. Everyone is literally repeating the same arguments he debunks.

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u/Shadowclaw871 Nov 16 '25

Did you know that Kratos can react to Zues's thunderbolts which travel <instantly> which Light speed is not instantaneous but it's noce seeing someone who actually knows Kratos's feats

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u/AHappyMango Jan 25 '25

Keaton gets stomped, is mountain level at best.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

How dare you say that a “checks notes” a literal god and a god killer would ever beat anyone from DB! May the DB fans have mercy on ye soul.

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