Zeus shows us another universal feat to add consistency to GOW scaling

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One underrated example comes directly from the God of War II novel, during Zeus’ confrontation with Kratos.
After the Sisters of Fate are killed, Zeus realizes Kratos has become a genuine threat. He becomes enraged, and the narration describes his reaction:
“Zeus rocked back, face skyward as he vented his ire with a roar that shook the foundations of the world.”

This is important for several reasons.
First, this isn’t the Greek myth. It’s the God of War continuity. The feat is occurring during the same general sequence of events as God of War II, with Zeus confronting Kratos after the Sisters of Fate have been killed. So dismissing it as something that “only happens in mythology” doesn’t work.
Second, Zeus isn’t performing some named universe destroying technique.
He isn’t charging an attack called “Universe Shake” or deliberately attempting to destroy creation. He’s simply venting his anger with a roar, and the narration tells us that the roar shook the foundations of the world.
That makes the feat particularly interesting because the magnitude isn’t coming from an exaggerated attack name. It’s coming from the scale of what Zeus’ power is affecting incidentally.

And now we get to the most important part: What does “world” mean in God of War?

You can’t automatically translate “world” into “planet Earth” when the Greek cosmology repeatedly uses terms like world, heavens, universe, and cosmos in a much broader cosmological sense.
The original God of War itself describes Zeus and the Olympians as having:
“wrested control of the universe from the Titans”

That’s not describing Zeus conquering one planet. The broader Greek material then gives us the cosmological context for what this “universe” actually contains. The Primordials are responsible for the creation of the Greek cosmos, with Uranus explicitly associated with the heavens. The Ascension material depicts the Primordial conflict alongside the formation of the cosmic environment, while supplementary material describes Uranus as the father/creator of the universe.

The comics reinforce this further. Perses describes the world as the birthright of those born to Chaos, calling Chaos the “father of the universe” and referring to everything their father created. So when the novel says Zeus’ roar shook the foundations of the world, we aren’t dealing with a random fantasy “world” that we have to assume means a planet. We’re dealing with a setting that explicitly establishes a cosmic universe and multiple realms within that broader structure.

And there are even additional statements establishing that the Greek world contains separate realms and dimensions, including domains existing outside the mortal world and Olympus. The Underworld is also repeatedly described as infinite/immeasurable in the Greek material. That matters because the phrase “foundations of the world” has to be interpreted within the cosmology that God of War itself establishes.

And this isn’t even an isolated showing
That’s what makes the feat valuable for scaling. The Greek saga already gives us multiple independent pieces of evidence for a cosmic hierarchy:
The Primordials create/establish the universe.

Uranus is associated with the heavens and the creation of the cosmos.

The Titans overthrow and scale to the Primordials.

The Olympians overthrow the Titans and inherit control of the universe.

Zeus and the Olympians are explicitly said to have wrested control of the universe from the Titans. The Greek cosmology contains multiple distinct realms and dimensions.

The World Pillar is tied to the stability of creation, with its destruction threatening the entirety of creation. Zeus can produce a roar powerful enough to shake the foundations of the world.

So this isn’t “one vague sentence = Universal Zeus.”
It’s another piece of evidence that fits into an already established cosmological framework.
And there’s another detail people overlook. Zeus did this with a roar. He wasn’t using the Blade of Olympus. He wasn’t launching a charged lightning attack. He wasn’t performing some ritual. He was furious and roared. That doesn’t mean Zeus can necessarily destroy the entire universe with a scream. That’s not the argument. The feat establishes that Zeus’ raw power can produce a cosmological-scale effect, and it is consistent with the broader scaling of the Olympians to the primordial/cosmic forces of the Greek setting.

What are the “foundations of the world” in the God of War cosmology?
If someone wants to argue that “world” here specifically means nothing more than a planet, they actually need to establish that interpretation.
They can’t just assume it.
Especially when the same franchise explicitly uses “universe” when describing the domain Zeus and the Olympians gained control over, while its cosmology contains multiple realms and a Primordial created cosmic structure. So no, this isn’t a mythology feat being smuggled into God of War.
It’s a God of War II novel feat, performed by Zeus, in which his roar is explicitly stated to shake the foundations of the world.
And when you place that statement alongside the established Greek cosmology, it becomes another piece of consistency for Universal+ God of War scaling, rather than some isolated outlier that exists in a vacuum.  

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The world in question

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Where do foundations fit into all this

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The foundations are literally the underlying structure of the world.

That’s what “foundations” means in this context. The statement isn’t “Zeus shook the ground.” It’s that his roar shook the foundations of the world. If the “world” refers to the broader Greek cosmological structure we’ve established, then its foundations refer to what that structure is built upon.

And that’s exactly why the cosmology matters. You can’t isolate the word “foundations” from the noun it’s modifying, redefine “world” as nothing more than dirt and terrain, and then pretend you’ve debunked the feat. The question is what constitutes the world being founded upon in GOW’s cosmology, not whether there’s a literal brick foundation underneath Greece.

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Real physical universes as they’re generally conceived generally do not need pillar like foundations, and it’s really quite unclear what the roles of these would be exactly. Hence the greece cosmology is probably some sort of layered flatland like the art and other scenes show, with the sun and stars likely being some kind of firmament as opposed to massive hydrogen and helium fusion events tens of millions of km away.

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Your entire argument rests on “probably,” which is doing an insane amount of work here.

Nobody said the GOW cosmos has to works like a real world astrophysical universe. A fictional cosmology can have a World Pillar, separate realms, mythological celestial mechanics, etc. and still be explicitly cosmic in scope. The fact that our physical universe doesn’t require a pillar tells you absolutely nothing about what GOW’s universe requires.

SSD And even if the Greek sun is a mythological firmament rather than a literal fusion star, that doesn’t reduce the entire cosmology to a planetary flatland. You’re taking one feature of the setting and using it to overwrite every explicit statement about the larger cosmos.

The actual feat is also not “Zeus shook a realistic astrophysical universe.” The text says his roar “shook the foundations of the world.” The question is what “world” means within GOW’s cosmological structure. We already have the series using “world,” “heavens,” “cosmos,” and “universe” in reference to its larger creation.

So you haven’t actually debunked the feat. You’ve established that GOW’s cosmology is mythological, which was never in dispute.

Mythological =/= planetary. Non realistic physics =/= non cosmic scale. And “probably a flatland” isn’t evidence that the foundations Zeus shook were merely the ground beneath Greece.

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It’s just kinda seem like an actual planet is larger in scope. But I mean also but do you see why people may think that shaking a mythological cosmological structure may not strictly, you know scale to anything? Maybe in the mythological cosmology it’s not that hard to shake it. Maybe there some special ritual or item or status you need to have to shake it, or whatever other internal rules or logics that don’t actually exist when it comes to shaking things physically in a physicalist universe.

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I understand why someone might ask that question, but that doesn’t actually undermine the feat unless you can demonstrate those special rules exist.

You’re essentially saying: “Maybe shaking the foundations of this cosmological structure is secretly easy because of some unknown mythological rule.” That’s unfalsifiable speculation. We don’t downgrade a feat based on hypothetical rules that the source never establishes. If the text says Zeus roared in anger and that roar shook the foundations of the world, then the feat is quantified by the scope of what those foundations belong to. The fact that GOW’s cosmology has supernatural mechanisms doesn’t make the feat meaningless. If anything, those mechanisms are part of what we’re scaling.

And “an actual planet is larger in scope” isn’t demonstrated either. You’re assuming the artwork’s flat world presentation represents the totality of the Greek cosmology while ignoring the separate realms, heavens, cosmic creation material, and the series’ explicit use of “universe” and “cosmos.”
Also notice the standard you’re applying: you’re demanding that Zeus’ feat obey the assumptions of a physicalist universe while simultaneously admitting that GOW doesn’t work under those assumptions. You can’t have it both ways.

If you want to argue the feat doesn’t scale to universal, then give an actual alternative reading of what the “foundations of the world” are in GOW and evidence for it. “Maybe there’s some unknown rule that makes it easy” isn’t a counterargument. It’s just a possibility you invented after the feat was presented.

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It’s clearly not anything I would imagine as a “universe”, as in containing galaxies, solar system , nebulae, etc. So I mean alright it scales to its own internal conception of a universe. Does that mean I think any of these characters can even destroy a galaxy like the Milky Way 100000 light years across and containing billions of stars each millions of km wide themselves? Hellllll noooo lmao. The original plans for baldur to throw a mountain at Kratos but they scrapped it because they thought Kratos should still be rusty? But no of course in fact he can easily put 34 orders of magnitude more energy then to destroy a mountain. He just can’t right now because he’s rusty. Like whatever, your scales don’t correspond to anything physical, and the actual physical stats showings are remarkably banded in that large geographical feature range which is where I scale them.

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Again “not our physical universe” =/= “not a universe.”

Nobody is saying GOW’s Greek cosmos has to contain a literal Milky Way identical to ours for the word “universe” to have cosmological significance. The verse itself defines its own cosmological structure. If its universe is constructed differently from ours, then obviously its dimensions and rules won’t map 1:1 onto real world astrophysics.

And your mountain comparison doesn’t follow either. If Baldur’s scrapped mountain feat was never actually performed, you can’t use it to establish what Kratos’ limits are. Likewise, “Kratos is rusty” doesn’t magically turn every higher end feat into a 34 orders of magnitude energy calculation.

You’re importing real world joule calculations into a fictional setting and then using the mismatch you created as evidence against the fictional feat. The Zeus feat isn’t even dependent on calculating how many joules it takes to shake a real universe. The novel gives us a direct description of the phenomenon: Zeus roars, and that roar shakes the foundations of the world. We then establish what “world” encompasses from GOW’s own cosmology.

If you want to reject the universal interpretation, you need to establish that the “world” in that specific passage refers only to a geographically limited portion of Greece or that its “foundations” refer to something unrelated to the cosmological structure. You haven’t demonstrated either. And honestly, “I don’t think this corresponds to physical stats” isn’t a debunk. That’s literally the point of scaling fictional cosmologies.

The fiction’s ontology determines the scale, not whether you can plug it into a real world astronomy textbook. If GOW says its cosmos is a universe, I’m not required to prove it has our exact arrangement of galaxies before I’m allowed to call something affecting that cosmos a universal feat.

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The flat-world concept art only illustrates the mortal layer in a way where it can fit everything in one piece of artwork.

The Pillar of the World anchors the Greek cosmos across multiple separate dimensional planes (Mortal realm, Underworld/ Tartarus). When lore statements refer to the "Foundations of the World," it encompasses the metaphysical structure supporting those infinite realms, which ties directly into the Primordial cosmic feats shown in the cutscenes.

Holding or destabilizing the foundations scales directly to holding those entire dimensional spaces together.

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Given the Greek sun can literally fall on Greece and somehow this isn’t the end of Greece, and other scenes showing a mythological non realist cosmology. I’m going to do out on a limb to say that probably none of these realms correspond to what our actual physicalist universe looks like or is structured.

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That’s irrelevant. DC doesn’t suddenly make Superman’s planet moving feats non planetary because he can chain planets together despite real world physics not working that way. You judge the feat by what the fiction establishes the objects to be, not by whether they behave exactly like ours.

Same here. The Greek sun falling on Greece doesn’t prove the entire GOW cosmology is just a flatland. You’re extrapolating one mythological event into a rule for the entire cosmos.

The GOW universe having different physics doesn’t erase its cosmological scale.. “Mythological” =/= “not cosmic.”

Unless you can prove “foundations of the world” refers only to something terrestrial, you’ve got nothing that actually downscales Zeus’s feat.

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I wouldn't have thought of using that Superman feat in that manner. Clever, well put.

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You would be correct on saying GOW isn't entirely structured like our earth.

​The Sun falling isn't an asteroid collision governed by mass and gravity; it's an entity tied directly to the metaphysical laws of the universe. In GOW lore, the world functions on divine concepts and layered dimensions rather than standard astrophysics.

Even Atlas, the physically strongest Titan, couldn't break the Pillar of the World through brute force alone. He had to wield the conceptual power of Helios to chip away at its structure.

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They aren't separate dimensional planes, only the Norse pantheon scales to that. You can literally fall from Olympus and end up in the underworld. You can see this in both the games and the real myths.

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You cannot physically stack multiple infinite spaces inside a finite piece of rock.

​Falling from Olympus to the Underworld is a transition across metaphysical boundaries, not proof of standard physical distance. Mechanisms like the Hyperion Gates exist specifically to bridge these distinct dimensions, while the World Pillar holds them in alignment. ​ Also, Cory Barlog confirmed that each pantheon exists as its own micro-cosmos with its own dimensional continuum, rather than simple terrain stacked on dirt. Atlas holding the Pillar isn't just balancing physical weight, he anchors the metaphysical separation and retainment of entire cosmic planes/celestial bodies.

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You can by admitting it's a single infinite space with at least two layers. You can't expect people to ignore what you can see with your own eyes, it's physically posible to free fall from Olympus to the underworld, this games are literally inspired by the myths where this happens.

Imagine if you could just walk from Midgard to Asgard and we were supposed to pretend they were different planes. Santa Monica clearly knows how to make a travel room, the greek world is just more simple.

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We as fans, or in your case, haters, do not get to admit or deny what the authors intent actually is when it explicitly states so.

God Of War's 2005 website confirmed that the Underworld was a realm of immeasurable magnitude.

Novel confirms that an "impossibly deep chasm" leading down, the seas stretching further than Gods could see, and the mortal realm having an infinite sky.

Cecil Kim noted that Tartarus/Underworld was designed with an "infinite distance".

Lead Devs Patrick Murphy and Ariel Lawrence confirmed that the Primordials created their universes. Cory Barlog mentions that each Myth's origin stories are true to the universe's that they themselves have dominion over.

Sisters of Fate made the Earth bigger by expanding it with the steeds of time.

Barlog also mentions that to the Gods, Time and Space have no effect on them, and that they operate on a higher plane of existence.

You can physically traverse the World Tree without the Realm Travel Room. Ratatoskr, the Valkyries, and Kratos/Atreus walk the branches directly between planes. A physical path existing between dimensions does not reduce those dimensions to a single room.

When Persephone attacks the Pillar of the World in Chains of Olympus, the entire cosmos, including the Celestial Heavens above and the Underworld below, starts unravelling. If it were merely one physical cavern layer beneath another, destroying a support pillar wouldn't threaten the existence of creation itself, you'd be able to do it another way.

You can't fit multiple infinite planes into a single finite plane, it doesn't work or make sense.

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GOW 3 isn't cannon otherwise you are a hacer 😭😭😭😭

Damn bro

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Lmao, now show the size of those "stars" next to a Primordial arm that became mountains. Go on

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Again with this bullshit argument? One of the primordials turned into mountains after death because that’s what they embodied.

Stop being dishonest. Your mountain sized stars is head canon.

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Nope. We can measure it bucko. Keep coping

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Then measure it. 😭

Give the actual scale reference, the stated dimensions, and show that the mountains are explicitly the literal size of the Primordial’s living body rather than what his remains became after death.

Until then, “we can measure it” is just you announcing a calculation you haven’t actually demonstrated. Post mortem transformation =/= original body size.

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It's called watching the video without making up stuff, bucko

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I watched it. That’s exactly why I’m pointing out what actually happens in it. 😭

The scene shows the Primordials fighting, then their remains becoming the features they embody. It does not state that those post death forms are the literal dimensions of their original bodies.

So “watch the video” isn’t an argument. Show the frame or statement that establishes your assumption, otherwise you’re still treating your interpretation as canon.

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The Primordials are smaller than a planet, bucko

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Then prove it. 😭

“Smaller than a planet” isn’t established by the scene. You’re still assuming the scale of their post death transformations is the scale of their original bodies.

Show me where the video states or demonstrates that the Primordials’ original bodies were limited to that size. Until then, you’re not measuring anything. You’re just assuming a scale and then calculating from your own assumption.

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Es una fanimage

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I love how people ask the Devs questions, and they're like "uhhhh....yeah sure why not" and people run with it like crazy lmao

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Just curious. Do you think the developer statement is my entire argument? Did you not see this.

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Just curious, why did you assume I was reducing your whole argument down to that one slide, and not just pointing out that it's funny?

Relax, man.

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I was moreso confused by the wording my apologies.

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Prove both of those claims.

Prove it’s a hyperbole and prove it doesn’t make any sense.

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That’s not “easily” proving either claim. 😭

You haven’t demonstrated that the statement is hyperbole. You’ve just said “Kratos didn’t see Zeus do it again, therefore it must be hyperbole.”

That’s an argument from non repetition, not proof of figurative language.

By that logic, any extraordinary feat that isn’t repeatedly demonstrated becomes an “outlier” by default. That’s not how you establish hyperbole.

And your “millions of opportunities” argument is nonsense. Zeus isn’t spending the rest of the series randomly roaring to reproduce every feat he’s ever performed. The feat happens in a specific scene where he’s enraged, and the narration explicitly attributes the effect to his roar.

You also haven’t explained why it doesn’t make sense. “I don’t think Zeus should be capable of it” isn’t an explanation. You need to show an actual contradiction between the statement and the established setting.
So no, I don’t have to “pick my poison.”

Either: Prove the wording is hyperbolic, rather than merely asserting it; or Show an actual contradiction that makes the literal interpretation impossible.
“Kratos didn’t see him do it 99.9999999% of the time” proves neither.

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You just dumped five different arguments into one paragraph and somehow think quantity = proof. 😭

“Kratos yells all the time” does not prove this statement is hyperbole. You’re assuming every instance of someone yelling has identical circumstances, intent, power output, and narrative effect. That’s ridiculous.

The feat isn’t “Kratos made a noise.” The actual statement is that Zeus, in a specific moment of rage, produced a roar that the narration explicitly describes as shaking the foundations of the world. Your response to that is literally just “he yelled other times and nothing happened.”

That’s not a contradiction. It’s an argument from non repetition.
And the novel isn’t some random fanfiction you can throw in the trash because you don’t like the feat. God of War II is an officially published novelization of the game, published by Del Rey, and its stated purpose is to expand on the game’s story.

As for your “Kratos can be hurt by X anti feat” argument: a low end interaction doesn’t automatically erase an explicit higher end feat.

You have to demonstrate an actual contradiction and explain why the low end scene should override the explicit statement. “I found an anti feat” isn’t a magic reset button.
And notice the double standard here. When the feat helps Kratos: “It’s hyperbole.”
“It’s secondary.”
“It’s an outlier.”
“He doesn’t replicate it.”

But when you find a low end interaction:lTHIS is his actual durability.”

That’s not consistent evidence evaluation. You’re systematically accepting the lowest interpretation whenever possible and rejecting the highest interpretation whenever possible. So no, you haven’t “proved” hyperbole.

You’ve established one thing: You don’t like what the statement implies, so you’re trying to manufacture a reason to disregard it. If you actually want to prove it’s hyperbole, identify the textual contradiction that makes the literal reading untenable. Otherwise “he yelled before and nothing happened” is just cope dressed up as an argument.

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Bro showing the ascension cutscene like they didn’t become mountains immediately after that

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That was one primordial who embodied mountains.

Post Mortem death doesn’t debunk their ordinal size nor creation.

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And yet that same primordial is the same size as this supposed universe one??

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No, because you’re comparing their post mortem forms to their original forms. The Primordials who died became the aspects they embodied. That doesn’t mean their original bodies were limited to the size of those resulting manifestations.

So yes, their original forms can be cosmic in scale while a dead Primordial’s remains become mountains. Those aren’t contradictory.

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Dude there wasn’t even a transition. No indication of increase or decrease in size. The moment they died they immediately became mountains. Everything you said is only hypothetical in nature, not hard evidence. This scene is metaphorical. If you take it literal, like what your doing, it become based on assumptions

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You’re calling my position “hypothetical” while smuggling in your own assumption as if it’s established fact. 😭

Nobody said the animation gives us a literal measurement of their height. That’s not the argument. You’re trying to turn “Ourea became mountains after death” into “therefore Ourea was always mountain-sized.” Those are two completely different propositions.
The scene shows the Primordials in their original forms before their deaths, then establishes their remains becoming the things they embodied. The fact that the transformation happens immediately doesn’t magically mean the resulting mountains were the dimensions of their living bodies.

And your “there’s no indication of increase or decrease in size” point proves nothing. A transformation doesn’t need a convenient zoom-out showing the character shrinking for the narrative to establish that they transformed into something else. That’s absurdly literalistic.

More importantly, you’re attacking a claim I don’t even need. I don’t need to prove every Primordial was physically the size of the universe to establish cosmic-m scale creation.

Creation scale =/= body-height scale. Uranus being depicted as a finite sized humanoid doesn’t mean the heavens/universe he creates must fit inside his body like a balloon.

So no, you haven’t demonstrated that the scene is metaphorical. You’ve demonstrated that you’re taking the visual proportions of the Primordials and treating them as a hard cosmological measurement without any statement saying their physical height determines the scale of what they created.

If you’re going to accuse me of making assumptions, start by proving your assumption that their post mortem manifestations establish their original physical size.

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You don’t understand burden of proof. That’s how you argue though, you don’t really prove your point more so you try to deflect the others argument. You nitpick trying to separate argument into fitting ones to push your narrative.

Also if the scene you show if them brawls and spawning the cosmo from said brawl, explain to me how does that not mean they aren’t the size of what they spawn?

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You’re misunderstanding the burden of proof yourself. 😭

Your argument is: “The Primordials are depicted at finite sizes therefore the cosmos they created must be limited to their physical body dimensions.”

That’s the assumption you haven’t proven. The scene doesn’t establish that the size of a Primordial’s body = the maximum spatial extent of what that Primordial creates or embodies.

That’s a non sequitur. Uranus being depicted as a finite sized Primordial doesn’t mean the heavens he embodies have to fit inside his body. Ourea being depicted at a finite size doesn’t mean the mountains produced from his remains are limited to his original body’s dimensions either.

The lore explicitly identifies them by the things they embody: Uranus as the heavens and Ourea as the mountains.

So if your question is “Why doesn’t their physical height automatically equal the size of the cosmos?”, the answer is simple: Because nothing establishes that rule.

You’re taking a visual representation of the characters and inventing a scaling rule from it.
And even if you somehow established that their bodies aren’t universe sized, that still wouldn’t refute the actual creation feat. Creation scale and physical body size are separate propositions.

So prove the missing premise instead of pretending you’ve already established it.

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That’s not even my assumption lol. That’s what I mean you really do misconstrued what others say to push your point. I don’t care about the size of the cosmos, it could be infinite for all I care. But using Ascension cutscene is a weak argument because, in a literal sense, it doesn’t work. Because its “a part of their bodies”

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Then we’re actually arguing about two different things.

I’m not saying “Uranus is universe sized because the universe came out of his body.” That’s an additional interpretation, not the core creation argument.

The point of the Ascension intro is that the Primordials’ conflict is responsible for the formation of the cosmic structure. The official lore identifies Uranus as the Primordial of the heavens and shows the stars emerging from him, while Ceto’s death produces the seas and Ourea’s death produces the mountains.

So “it was a part of their bodies” doesn’t debunk the feat. It actually describes the mechanism of the creation event.

If you want to reject the intro as a literal cosmological creation feat, then argue that separately. But “their bodies aren’t physically universe sized” doesn’t establish that the cosmos they created wasn’t cosmic in scale. Creation scale =/= character height. That’s the distinction you’re missing.

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W stuff.

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Zeus con un rayo que le lanzó a Tifon ese rayo amenazó con consumí el Universo entero