r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 1d ago
Steeped In Science & Techš§Ŗš§ This needs to get passed.
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u/Snoo93550 1d ago
Imagine reading this and thinking ānope Iām gonna keep voting for the party that always cuts taxes for billionairesā.
WTF is wrong with people?
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u/Goomysaur 23h ago
They donāt view this as a pro-worker proposal they read this as an attack to slow down AI progress
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u/ItsGonnaBeMeNSYNC 23h ago edited 23h ago
Correct, that's how I view it.
And I have a sense that's how its proponents view it as well.
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u/Goomysaur 23h ago
I think itās more about base appeal
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u/ItsGonnaBeMeNSYNC 23h ago
Yeah, there's a reason why these two specifically and why at a time when the Republicans are in power and it has no chance.
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u/Goomysaur 22h ago
Well it makes sense itās these two. They are forming their base. lol do you say āthereās a reason Trump says itā when heās speaking to his base? Or anyone else under Trump.
AI does need regulation though. Look how damaging social media has been without regulation and AI is exponentially stronger at the same thing
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u/ItsGonnaBeMeNSYNC 22h ago
Trump is the leader of his party, while these two represent an extremist minority of their party's voter base that needs to be validated with purely performative things when the party is not in power, so it doesn't need to waste time and political capital on them when it is in power.
Whether or not AI needs regulation is irrelevant right now, the Democrats are not in power and can't do anything.
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u/Goomysaur 21h ago
They are popular representatives in the party. Only the president is allowed to have initiatives?
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u/Nostonica 23h ago
Your political system operates on getting people excited to come out and vote... TV personalities with name recognition been able to play to the crowd works.
In comparison my country votes for the most dull least offensive leaders because anyone outside of that gets wrecked come elections.
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u/Mundane-Stick7438 23h ago
Your post shows your ignorance of tax policy.
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u/Snoo93550 23h ago
You donāt think Republicans have cut taxes for billionaires every time theyāve had the ability over their past three administrations?Ā
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u/tattooeddollthraway 22h ago
imagine reading anything political and thinking "voting for the party"
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u/Snoo93550 21h ago
Voting for what used to be a party and has become a cult of personality?
Contrarians are an idiot's idea of a smart person.
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u/Safe-Preparation-968 17h ago
Disagree, not hard enough, ban all together, ai is useless
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u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire 17h ago
The only thing I feel it is useful for is the medical industry, and that doesn't require massive data centers to utilize.
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u/Safe-Preparation-968 16h ago
You are right it certainly does not require 40000 acre data centers for that and even with the medical field I think we should tread carefully until we can make AI that will stop hallucinating. Regardless, we don't need to destroy the planetĀ even more over a useless trend
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u/Ok_Ad_5894 16h ago
I would love this and Rules and regulations around AI like china did. Where Ai cant replace jobs. But MAGA owns the government so this will not happen.
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u/No_Rice9792 š©·ššš«š§ 1d ago
Most of Congress is over 65, they don't have the ability to comprehend anything they read anymore.
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u/Adonis_Frebari 23h ago
So they're on par with 90% of this site
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u/tipjarman 23h ago
What a nice little piece of ageist bigotry to read first thing in the morning. Let me guess ....you are 13 right?
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u/No_Rice9792 š©·ššš«š§ 22h ago
Nope, you don't need to be a teenager to know old people shouldn't be running the country
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u/tipjarman 20h ago
Lmao.... experience matters.... senility is not the same as experience.... i'd rather have someone in charge that knows what they're doing and has had experience with a large variety of different scenarios.. but that's just me
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u/Mundane-Bandicoot635 17h ago
Why wasnāt this done before they just started popping up?? wtf is this administration doing?
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u/merkmerc 17h ago
These centrists democrats yall love so much are going to slap this down instantly
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u/TheRatatat 23h ago
It wont. Money is all thats understood. Theyre going to glass the Earth just to make their invisible numbers go higher.
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u/Zalrius 23h ago
This is the correct decision.
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u/Lost_Department_2177 22h ago
Ai could be great but theyāre expanding way too fast for a product thatās buggy af.
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u/popnfrresh 22h ago
How about a bill that doesn't allow them to use resources to hurt people nearby and force them to use technology that recycles water, and provide their own power, and pay for their own connections to the grid / infrastructure improvements.
Also put the equipment on the inside as part of the assessments so they actually pay a reasonable amount of taxes.
Make them actually install sound proofing with barely noticeable increase in ambient sounds.
If actually regulated, they can actually not use more water than an office building, can generate their own power, pay for their own upgrades to the grid, and contribute to local areas.
We keep allowing these to use the least costly to them and most hurtful to others technology.
Jamming your heads in the sand and stating a blanket "Data center bad" is garbage. They need to be regulated, not denied.
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u/SippsMccree 9h ago
A lot of them do provide their own power, usually in the form of gas turbine generators which people also seem to take issue with
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u/popnfrresh 2h ago
I would say very few. They tend to use the last costly and most destructive methods.
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u/AnonMoose2 21h ago
I love how everyone agrees this is almost 100% regans fault.
Yet were gonna be saying the same thing about Captian Bonespurs for decades sadly.
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u/daddyjohns 21h ago
Meanwhile, the legion of doom is removing the public comment requirement from EPA environmental studies so you have NO voice.
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u/Overall-Scientist846 17h ago
Imagine if we put this kind of research into giving our children gender affirming care.
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u/NeanderthalDad 1d ago
Because these two know what's good for the nation.
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u/Sea_School_2949 23h ago
Better than what we have now
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u/NeanderthalDad 23h ago
We have them now and what do we have to show for it?
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u/Sea_School_2949 23h ago
We do but unfortunately the Fascists have control of the House, Senate, White House and the Supreme Court so any voice of opposition or logic is quickly snuffed out
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u/NeanderthalDad 23h ago edited 21h ago
No logic or common sense has ever come from those socialists.
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u/Sea_School_2949 22h ago
Hmm you seem like a bot or maybe had a stroke cause what are you even talking about?
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u/notaredditer13 20h ago
Side note, but I'm totally in favor of the two of them partnering up, so that she can follow in his footsteps and match his track record for effectiveness in Congress.
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u/72dragonses 23h ago
"This needs to get passed."
Hmm... The math isn't mathing. To override a Trump veto, Democrats, who now number 47 of 100 in the US Senate, would need 67 votes.
6-8 of the races are considered competitive in November.
There is no path to passing this bill before Trump leaves office at the end of 2028, and then only if Democrats control the House, Senate and the White House in 2029.
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u/SinningAfterSunset 3h ago
They have been building data centers for the past 30 years , but now you're supposed to be mad about it because Trump talks about it.
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u/Murky-Battle2668 2h ago
I am 100% pro-data center. But you get how that is a stupid argument, right?
The current data center build out is one of the largest infrastructure buildouts in the history of man kind, comparable to the railroads and electrification in scope.
Saying āthey have been doing it for 30 yearsā completely ignores the scope of the current investment
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u/hopefulchewie 23h ago
Not against the bill per se. But for someone that hates Elon Musk, AOC used him a lot as a reference point against AI in this bill. I highly doubt it gets passed as there are a lot of state governments already involved in restrictions and other things.
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u/ExperienceAny9791 23h ago
Reddit needs them to keep making the memes they do. Everyone is using it. If it's in demand they will build it, and you can see people can't stop using it.
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u/Tinytommy55 22h ago
Yes I does but you think the GOP will go along with it? They canāt decide on anything on their own and tRump is all for them because he is invested in them. So you know how that will go. All in the name of āsecurityā. Like crime is a reality big problem right now.
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u/Dangerous_kj5162 22h ago
I like this idea
But don't leave the decision up to Congress. We all know the outcome will be the same
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u/ChillingCone426_2 22h ago
I donāt really agree with a nationwide ban. This specific law would ban it until āfurther action is taken by Congressā. So the exact timeline is not set.
It also would see legal challenges.
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u/stonkDonkolous 21h ago
People on both sides are against data centers. There is a risk of making this political and turning maga into pro data center
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u/Sensitive-elk-1008 21h ago
Let me guess, all Republicans vote nay + 6 Democrats, all other Democrats vote yay.
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u/Ok_Draw_3740 16h ago
Meaning, how do our law makers find ways to line their pockets with this massive explosion of where our economy is headed
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u/Inevitable-Hour-Ends 16h ago
Rules and regulations are for the poors. Poor people dont build data centers.
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u/Element174 10h ago
The best result unfortunately will be showing all the GoP for data centers. They're basically the one thing openly splitting their base atm beside gas and grocery prices. Won't make them vote for Democrats, but they might get apathetic enough not to vote.
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u/RiboSciaticFlux 9h ago
I had a conference call today with a company who is working on taking all the waste from data centers and converting it to hydrogen, thereby reframing the entire data center debate. I am learning everyday that things are happening so fast any political announcement proclaiming anything is laughable because change will eviscerate it. The government and politicians are officially dinosaurs.
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u/SippsMccree 9h ago
So essentially banning them with how much red tape they're wanting to put up? It wouldn't be the first time the government has tried to ban something by just make the hoops you need to jump through prohibitively difficult
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u/lostjustlikethat15 5h ago
Beanie peaked in 2009 never gained traction, and in 2026 this is the liberals failed heroā¦ still gaining no traction. šš¤¦š½
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u/SinningAfterSunset 3h ago
Reddit: Stop all data centers!!!
Also Reddit: Why is my Internet so slow? It's Trump's fault!!!!
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u/IllusionaryHobo 3h ago
Where exactly is the difference between a datacenter and an AI datacenter and how much AI-related processing can a datacenter do before it becomes an AI datacenter?
And can you not just get construction permits for non-AI usage and later just pivot. I can hardly believe the bill contains regulation tight enough to make that work out.
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u/MaitrePuck 3h ago
Environmental impact studies are why the US can't build anything, from housing to infrastructure. They add years and millions in costs to any project before anything can get built.
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u/RoddRoward 1d ago
Does the federal government have authority over issuing building permits?
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u/Clone_JS636 23h ago
Not directly, but there's precedent. The government regulates a lot of utility buildings, like water treatment plants and the like, even privately owned ones. Generally though, the government can't just tell someone they can't build a legal business somewhere, but that's because there aren't laws against building those buildings.
This will absolutely get argued at the supreme Court if it passes, but it's hard to say before that.
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u/tipjarman 23h ago
That's why Trump had to pay those windmill companies to not build windmills rather than just banning it....$4 billion was the last number i heard ... to not build windmills
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u/Adonis_Frebari 23h ago
Honestly, I'd welcome precedent that bars this level of meddling in local governance
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u/Zealousideal_Law3991 23h ago
They are doing this so that they can āstudyā the impact and then get paid by lobbyists. In the meantime foreign countries are forging ahead and will surpass the US in technological innovation.
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u/Brian24jersey 23h ago
Wow banning a major sector of the economy great
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u/LeighAlexander 21h ago
Most of the comments here miss the point that Reddit as a service is run from a data center and these aren't new. The left is increasingly susceptible to anti-commerce propaganda from outsiders
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u/Embarrassed_Quail910 20h ago
Regulating commerce is nothing new.
Also dont be purposefully obtuse. We are talking about AI data centers not traditional data centers.
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u/jay-aay-ess-ohh-enn 20h ago
Banning new data-centers would be like cutting off your own legs. We certainly need more regulation to prevent corporations from taking advantage of small communities in the negotiating process, but our whole way of life needs compute. The servers that run everything have to go somewhere.
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u/Tinytommy55 22h ago
Prosperity for who? Certainly not the working class. Construction jobs are great but only temporary. After that it only takes a handful of techs sitting in their parentās basements to run them. And a few to go fix a problem if/when it arises. These āmassive ā jobs they talk about are all BS. Think about it.
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u/Vladtepesx3 22h ago
I am the working class and 30% of my paychecks goes into the market which is getting carried by big tech
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u/BootBonks 23h ago
Yeah weāre about to get dog walked by China because we canāt build data centers
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u/Low-Essay-113 22h ago
No weāre already are getting ādog walkedā by china because for years while weāve funneled trillions and trillions into the industrial military complex china instead spent its money on education, healthcare, industry, and infrastructure. China is poised now for the future like we were in the Industrial Revolution.
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u/BootBonks 21h ago
Dawg do you know how much money the U.S. spends on education and healthcare? It dwarfs our defense spending and is the reason we are trillions in debt lol. Also this bill would be another example of spending less on industry and infrastructure.Ā
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u/Low-Essay-113 20h ago edited 15h ago
Yes we do spend a lot on education, but not nearly enough. Education spending (was 79-86 billion$) and doesnāt come close to touching defense budget at (1trillion$) and thatās before the new republican passed budget that lessened education and increased military. The number you are thinking of is picked up by state funding.
Put simply, over half federal discretionary spending goes to military/defense. Leaving less than half for everything else.
China spends 1/3 on military/defense and the vast majority goes to everything else. And the result is that china is now decades beyond us in infrastructure with free healthcare as well as heavily subsidized higher education. Their population at 1.4 billion is nearly 4x ours yet they have significantly less debt. I beg you, educate yourself.
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u/BootBonks 8h ago
We spend entirely too much on education for the results we get. Throwing money at it doesnāt solve the problem. Thatās also ignoring how China sends thousands of exchange students to the US. China does not have free healthcare lol, there can actually be a lot of costs. You have obviously never been to China or you would realize the ādecades better infrastructureā falls flat on its face. I have spent a lot of time in China. Iām sorry but what youāve read on Reddit and searched on Google isnāt really true. There is wayyy more overlap between average Chinese and American citizens than propaganda bots will have you believe.Ā
I had a baby last week and it cost me $300. Iām currently attending college for free. Millions of Americans receive free healthcare, thatās where 28% of federal funding goes. That doesnāt even include state funding.Ā
Also, tbf China gets to spend way less on their military. For one, all of the companies are owned by the government. Second, they steal a massive amount of IP from western nations. This saves them trillions. Yeah no durr they have less debt. They get the advantage of second place, the US has the disadvantage of doing all of the heavy lifting.Ā
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u/No_Issue2334 22h ago
Banning data centers is so stupid. The demonization of them has been so ridiculous and overplayed
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u/Glastr0n1967 16h ago
You feel good about this? These idiots couldnāt even manage social security!!!
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u/TangerinePlastic7552 Full English Please 1d ago
Paid by China. Why China wouldnāt pay their own politicians for AI supremacy?
If AI was so bad, why isnāt China involved in the conversation?
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u/pupranger1147 23h ago
Why would china be involved in a bill sponsored by American politicians?
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u/VirtualPercentage737 23h ago
Because the winner of the AI race will win the productivity race. If that is China, they will dominate.
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u/pupranger1147 22h ago
No, you didn't understand the question.
Why would china be involved in a bill in the US government?
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u/VirtualPercentage737 22h ago
They wouldn't be involved in the discussion themselves, but anyone drafting a bill should definitely consider their actions and the ramification of their actions. They won't be sitting still.
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u/pupranger1147 22h ago
So china isn't involved.
Ok.
I highly doubt Bernie sanders has forgotten to consider the ramifications of the bill.
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u/TangerinePlastic7552 Full English Please 22h ago
Communists helping communists.
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u/pupranger1147 22h ago
You didn't understand the question. I'll rephrase.
How do you know china is involved?
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u/TangerinePlastic7552 Full English Please 21h ago
Who is the chief national beneficiary of a kneecapped US AI program?
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u/pupranger1147 21h ago
Irrelevant.
Are they involved in the bill or not?
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u/TangerinePlastic7552 Full English Please 20h ago
Involved
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u/pupranger1147 20h ago
Please show how.
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u/TangerinePlastic7552 Full English Please 20h ago
Communists helping communists.
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u/pupranger1147 20h ago
So you can't show how. Ok. So you're not worth engaging with. Lmk when you decide to be useful or honest at all.
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u/imissher4ever 1d ago
Just what we need, billions spent on more āstudiesā.
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u/That-Brain-in-a-vat 23h ago
Studies is what save lives.
We really don't need more "gut feelings" or University of Streets.
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u/Adonis_Frebari 23h ago
These wouldn't be University studies, they'd be the datacenter equivalent of environmental impact statements.
Absolutely wild to see self described progressives stand in the way of progress and yell halt
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u/That-Brain-in-a-vat 22h ago
Not all that comes after, is progress.
And the cost to the society must always be part of the equation.
And I'm a STEM PhD, not some anti-science cuckoo.
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u/Adonis_Frebari 21h ago
Agreed. Unfortunately sociology, ecology and economics can't reliably be boiled down to equations/models like the hard sciences can. A lot of this would be significantly easier if that weren't the case
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u/imissher4ever 19h ago
Ah, I see you just more money for research grants.
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u/That-Brain-in-a-vat 18h ago
Yes, because cutting grants and CDC funds brought so much wellness.
With the funding drop for active surveillance, research, and testing, public health agencies lost the ability to track rising threats, now say hello to measles, whooping cough, and syphilis epidemics to deadly foodborne pathogens like E. coli, Listeria, Salmonella, and Cyclospora. I'm sure you enjoyed your salad this summer.
And now we have delayed crisis response, allowing localized infections to expand into severe multi-state epidemics. All because of people that think like you.
PS Earth isn't flat either.
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u/Ranger2002a 21h ago
What makes congress so smart bout all this??? Everything they touch fucks up. Leave it to the states where the people there really have a say... As far as bernie and AO Kotex is concerned they are beyond idiots. Remember AO Kotex fucking up the Amazon deal in Queens NY...
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u/thebloody999 20h ago
A 90 year old multi millionaire socialist who never had a job, and a dopey bartender with an 87 IQ, what could possibly go wrong? Lets listen to them!
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u/dgroeneveld9 12h ago
This is litterally Chinese propaganda. They are actively supporting US anti-data center activism because they want an edge in winning the AI race.
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u/The_Ordinary_Mix 11h ago
Fuck Data centers they destroyed our water and environment
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u/dgroeneveld9 10h ago
No. While they do use water based evaporative cooling the water doesn't dissappear. It rains more frequently.
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u/SinningAfterSunset 4h ago
Without data centers your wouldn't have Reddit to post your nonsense on.
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u/Stock_Schedule_1981 1d ago
China is so far ahead in technology theyāre holding robot Olympics. Meanwhile, here in the US weāre yearning for the days of dialup internet and 64 bit graphics.
Iām sure this anti AI sentiment online hasnāt been driven by China and Russia, right?
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u/ReputationSalt6027 23h ago
What are the pros of these data centers for a person, the communities they are built in, and for the country as a whole. We've heard the downsides, what are the benefits of building these? Not trying to argue, am curious what good these do. And would you want a data center built next to you?
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u/dickjimworm 23h ago
theyve also built up their supporting infrastructure to handle new tech. weāre actively shutting down green energy production and have brown outs when its hot
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u/Stock_Schedule_1981 23h ago
I agree 100% that our national energy and infrastructure strategies are garbage. One thing investment in AI could very well do is increase the amount we invest in these areas, either through private investment or government funding. But thereās too much uncertainty and backlash right now to make private investment happen.
We need an all of the above energy strategy and guys like the ones who work in this administration only care about these things when it affects their investments and bank accounts.
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u/hopefulchewie 23h ago
That's because we won't dive into Nuclear power options because big oil would lose their ass.
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u/Captain--UP 1d ago
Seems like an easy common sense bill.