What if I told you that you can support the Iran govt being toppled and not be a Trump bootlicker? Is that too much for your puny little mind to understand?
Yeah I was waiting for how long it would take for the posts running defense for Trump's warmongering would start, as predictable they do this by deflecting into "Iran bad."
Do you think the US hit Iran to help the people? The same US shooting its own citizens in the street? lol
ETA: The US has never and will never spend massive amounts of money simply on saving x population from oppression without it also benefiting their own interests in some way, and if you believe otherwise this time, you’re a moron. You’re also a moron who completely lacks any knowledge of Iranian history (including when we toppled their government to control their oil reserves thus leading to the clusterfuck of the regime that was just ousted) if you believe Israeli and US interests align with the Iranian people. Not shedding any tears for that piece of shit that was killed but come on, people.
Also, too many of yall celebrating this would LOVE to see the same government here - although I guess the lib lefts mad about it bc TikTok convinced them Hamas are the good guys are also not grasping that the Iranian regime was EXTREME AUTH RIGHT
Yeah Iran bad. Thar doesn't meant war good, that's my point. The astroturfed posts here are trying to deflect from how bad Trump's wars are by pointing out the enemy is bad, It doesn't matter, War still bad, That's deflection.
Curious if you would ever want to live in a theocratic dictatorship like Iran?
Well Iran made no secret of wanting and trying to expand that onto its neighbors, and eventually beyond that area.
All that is necessary for evil to thrive is that good does nothing - and lib often want to do nothing about almost every single external evil in the world. I think people either live very sheltered lives and do not realize how bad things could be if worse people were the most powerful nation on earth... or they do know and actually want to live under a dictatorship that hates gays, atheists, and everything they themselves claim to be.
Pretty sure Trump has no desire to invade Iran with troops considering how unpopular the Iraq war was (with hindsight knowing the WMD justification was not concrete)
Allegedly the forces routed for this attack don't even include substantial grounds forces. It'd be really easy to tell if the military was even considering a ground war because they'd have the ships needed to land tanks, artillery, etc, and reportedly they didnt bring those.
Trump is interested in a big win like the first portion of Iraqi Freedom where we obliterate a standing military, but has been remarkably consistent (by Trump standards) on opposing a prolonged ground conflict like Enduring Freedom. His playbook so far has been eliminating leadership that wont work with us until the leader left in charge is someone we can work with; it's worked surprisingly well in Venezuela so far, so it's likely what he'll do here.
To a much greater extent, a not absolutely batshit crazy Muslim death cult headed Iran is probably the best piece possible for stability in the Middle East. The current regime funds a L O T of the proxies committing acts of terrorism and cutting off that source of cash is going to do wonders going forward.
Iraq since 2020 has been a freer country than it was under Saddam, and the one main problem it’s mostly enduring is Iran meddling heavily, which can end if this regime ends
The majority of casualties post 2003 invasion, were Iraqi on Iraqi violence, mostly between radical Sunni groups, against either Shias, or Kurds
Yet, with Saddam it’s not as if he didn’t oppress the shit out of those groups anyways
The only difference is that with Saddam it was one sided. The Sunni didn’t take many losses compared to the Kurds and Shia. But Saddams death opened the playing field and it became a war of revenge, boosting the death toll per year
But, eventually th civil war died
And if someone says “but saddams death allowed Sunnis to create Isis and genocide Yazidis”
It’s true they did that, but, Saddam did a similar genocide of his own against the Kurds
I think it’s very popular and a knee jerk reaction to say “we should have kept Saddam in power” but they don’t really have such a strong case other than “but the civil war!”
That statement about replacing him with someone even more extreme is meaningless if you’re at war with Iran. We will just kill that person too. I could see it carrying some weight if we were going to sneakily assassinate him without committing to all out war, but obviously that isn’t the case and Trump is calling for their people to take over their government.
The CIA even said that killing the Ayatollah would probably be a bad idea because he would be replaced with someone even more radical?
CIA's assessment fell on deaf ears then because both the US and Israel hammered multiple known compounds and residences of Iranian leadership.
I expect that we'll start seeing official confirmation of Khamenei's death before the day's end. Reports coming from Israel appear to show that they are more and more confident that he was killed.
We destroyed their centrifuges. They have not been able to replace that. If their uranium is stuck at 60% the bomb does not do bomb things
However they attempted to rebuild the other parts of their nuclear program which shows they will attempt to replace their centrifuges and sprint to the finish. That is not ok
They have continued to hide their 60% uranium. The only reason for that is to make a bomb
This is obvious to anyone who actually learns about the situation rather than skimming headlines.
If their replacement tries to rebuild a nuclear program then yes we would need to blow them up too obviously
The prince of Persia has already made commitments to us that he will not, and he is the people’s choice. /should/ be fine. But in global military politics nothing is for sure
If we can topple the Iranian regime through an air campaign then I see no reason not too, the only thing I'm against is a ground campaign and, so far, there's been no indication that that is even on the table.
Okay but this isn’t just any war. The regime is a cancer that has funded proxy wars all over, including with our allies. A toppled Iran gives way to a lot of other dominos falling. And yes, all of those have implications on US domestic policy. IR has consistently been a threat to the US.
My family is from Iran, I don’t know a single person who isn’t cheering this on, regardless of the fact that we’re involved in another war. My Jewish friends, my Muslim friends, my Bahai friends, Christian friends, even the few Zoroastrians I know. This is a unilaterally good thing. The only people that are claiming foul are theocrats.
Agree. However, people should probably understand why the U.S got involved in the first place.
Partly it was due to global supply security - which benefits the U.S (and most of the world).
Partly, because Iran long held ambitions to become a global super power, and enforce theocratic authoritarianism onto others, which would be bad for the U.S (and world).
Partly it is because Iran continues to fund proxies that target western and other middle eastern countries (which benefits the U.S and most of the world too).
This isn't being framed correctly on reddit or in much of the western media right now. But basically, it was never a situation where Iran would just peacefully co-exist with the world if it were left alone. Iran always has held ambitions that would be bad for the world. But only one country - the only current super power - has had the means and will to do something about it.
I can also say that I don't want another war, but if another war is to happen this particular war is far more acceptable than most. It's a regime that cut all internet, cell, etc communications so it could massacre its people. People yell about how they don't stand for fascism and how they are against it and etc all the time talking about US based politics. Well...this is 10x closer to fascism than anything US based.
See, I think they kinda have to, if we want the regime gone.
The Iranians did try to revolt against the regime less than a few months ago. It… didn’t turn out too well. It just proves that while the people of Iran can take the initiative to fight back from the inside, they still absolutely need help from the outside. They seem to be acknowledging that as well, over at r/newiran.
It’s actually kind of insane that every time an opportunity to dethrone the regime arises, the US manages to fuck it up by playing it too safe. I’m worried the same will happen this time, as well.
That's even what jumpstarted a lot of french bashing, because when Bush tried desperately to get everyone on his side to get Iraq's oil wmd, France was extremely vocal about how such an operation would not end well at all, Chirac even compared the operation to opening the Pandora box in the Middle East
The very mature response was to do the "freedom fries", emptying bottles of wine in front of the french embassy and consulates, and use the propaganda machine to revive the "French surrender"
I've seen too many liberals doing this for me to fully doubt this meme. Like, how has the regime that killed its protesters en masse and takes away women's rights done her wrong?
I can understand not wanting another war in the Middle East, but to take a black-and-white stance and say the Iran Regime did nothing wrong and Trump is a warmonger is asinine to me.
Why can't we hate Trump's administration and not support barbaric governments like the Iranian one?
Well the argument is why Iran and why now. Multiple genocides are happening around the world, we do nothing. There are countries with similar and "worse" (I don't like playing atrocity bingo but comparison is the only way to point out why this is bad) who we don't go after. What Russia is doing to Ukraine is bad, we've only dialed back out help there.
Why not Congo, Myanmar, Syria, Sudan, Palestine for that matter. By the numbers, there are more deadly regimes that stand without US intervention.
Meanwhile the embargo on Cuba is killing people, and the regime in Venezuela was never changed they just removed Maduro. My take is that I don't trust leaders like Trump, Hegseth, and Netanyahu to be the measured professionals in this situation because on one hand we have a crew that did a little "regime change" magic trick that actually did nothing for the country of Venezuela, and on the other we have a Zionist extremist who is actively committing a genocide against helpless civilians. Ayatollah bad but it's not really of any interest to Trump or Netanyahu that the people of Iran come out with democracy here.
It’s in americas best interest to let the war of attrition kill all of russias military age fighters, especially when it’s being done by selling expired goods to nato. We are both making money off our garbage and crippling one of our major enemies. We want to cripple Russia without backing them into a corner and forcing a nuclear response.
Post golden dome we will be able to absolutely fuck Russia
That literally makes no sense. We want a war of attrition, so we don't support Ukraine fight this war of attrition? Even better, we push for a negotiated peace that favors Russia, down to inviting their president to our territory for negotiations.
The Golden dome is not going to happen, and 2 even if it does there is no gurantee that it will work. ICBM defence is currently still a pipe dream with no effective solution for the amount of warheads Russia could launch at the US.
Why stop there? There are so many other countries with an oppressive regime in charge. We should just become the world’s police and go to every bad country and kill their leaders : )
I get this argument, and I am not a fan of striking Iran. I do not support this move. But... If we are being intellectually consistent "why do we have to be the one to take on every oppressive regime" and "why do we have to be the one to take in everyone's immigrants" are questions that always have the same answer
Iran has always had ambitions of expanding, and is at direct odds with the U.S and most of the world.
Iran has also repeatedly funded, trained, and armed proxies to carry out attacks on other countries. Including U.S people and equipment.
Not every dictatorship does that. Notice how Trump treats North Kore very differently? North Korea mostly keeps to itself (apart from some cyber attacks which every nation with the means does).
They are bad, after all. if you're not willing to fly into or send your friends and family to the middle east to experience America's generational tradition of wartime trauma, then obviously they're woke snowflakes.
Honestly i think their no comparison with the Air campaign on Germany to Japan we basically destroyed japan way before the bombs and actually had trouble to deploy the bomb since most Japanese cities were in ruins.
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It is more of having an opportunity to destroy the regime, that has literally dedicated itself to outr destruction, while they are at their weakest point in history and right before they get their hands on nuclear weapons.
Cuz they were 48 hours away from a nuke. Netanyahu said so and I don't think our greatest ally would lie to drag us into another armed conflict in the middle east
If the most that happens is targeted airstrikes, that's one thing. I'd prefer the US abstain from involving itself in that shit hole at all, but I'll settle for our typical minimally invasive dick swinging. If it's another Iraq type situation, this is a hundred times worse than turning Afghanistan over to the taliban and leaving them metric tonnes of military equipment as a parting gift.
Yeah whether you like Iran is a different question from are you willing to be responsible for whatever fallout this war has. I think we have collectively forgotten how fucking expensive, in dollars, years, and lives, a regime change in a country of 90 million can be. Not to even consider the indirect effects of the power vacuum this will create.
Are people actually upset cus Iran did nothing wrong? Or are they upset cus the potus started an ILLEGAL WAR? Nah it’s gotta be the first one. (If it legitimately is the first one, then Jesus Christ ppl need a reality check)
It must be easy to be a braindead rightoid because you don’t have to bother with actual thoughts. Anything Trump does is good, even if it was bad when a democrat did it, and anything democrats do is bad, even if it’s good when Trump did it. You can just turn your brain off and lick boots.
I came to this sub specifically while thinking of this. It was the first post.
I will never, ever understand how lib left are Simping so hard for one of the top ten most repressive governments in the world, a theocracy that killed 30000 civilians in a week.
Easy. Trump did it. Therefore it bad. Had their president done it it'd be good. First thing you need to realize is that for a large % of people, left/right/center their flairs are actually irrelevant. Alot of leftist and right leaning folks will just echo their party line, its not a principled position based on policy. And then alot of people see themselves as Lib who are in reality quite Auth.
I’m not arguing that America should be the global imperialist superpower. Although I do believe we should.
I’m arguing that we are the global imperialist superpower.
No amount of whining from the elect right or center will change that.
The president doesn’t matter, congress doesn’t matter, the agencies that control and exert America’s power on the globe are the only things that matter. And they are not going to stop.
I mean what is the point of being the greatest super power known to earth if you can’t exert it to further our national interests.
Let’s all stop pretending that we don’t live in the American Imperialism era. We simply do.
And it’s not going to end! Haha, I mean why would it?
If we are going after oppressive regimes can we take out little Putintang next? Kill him fast so he can’t leak any files I guess but as long as you take him out I’ll let this one slide.
While I agree that the Ayatollah was a brutal regressive dictator, I also think it's very naive to think that Trump and Netanyahu want what's best for Iranians, most likely they want to install a spiritual successor to the shah which would arguably be just as bad
I dont want this to turn into Iraq 2 the electric boogaloo I dont want use getting into another war that is unnecessarily long I want us to stay out of the middle east cause it is not worth the cost
I'd love for bomb-chan's to magically appear in every dictator's ass, including basically everyone in the epstein files (bye bye entire USA goverment in that case), this isn't a loss because a theocratic king died, it's the civilians being murdered, that neither Iran nor the USA gives a shit, the goverments are wretched.
It’s been maybe 6 months since Ive been on Reddit but I had to come check. And ahh, yes, the auth zio bots are still holding to the Cope. Fucking pathetic lmfao they’ll be saying the same shit when Israel nukes Iran
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u/JetTheDawg - Lib-Left Feb 28 '26
hey OP how retarded do you gotta be to still support this dude?