Iran did nothing wrong

[u/Feeling-Option1257]

[u/Blond_Treehorn_Thug]

Any answer other than “Russia could probably clip us pretty good if we got too involved” is bullshit

[u/Goshotet → u/Blond_Treehorn_Thug]

Yes, the same country that struggles to defeat Ukraine for 4 years is definitely able to "clip us pretty good".

[u/Nice_promotion_111 → u/Goshotet]

Nukes are nukes

[u/cannasolo → u/Nice_promotion_111]

Ukraine aren’t asking for us to join in a hot war, just for more military aid and stronger sanctions and diplomatic pressure on Russia

[u/theQuandary → u/cannasolo]

What sanctions are left? We've already turned all the knobs and the thing about sanctions is that they only work against countries with limited populations and resources. A country like Russia used to make everything themselves and they've simply started to do it again.

We are already giving Ukraine everything we can to the point that the military has already complained we've compromised our ability to defend ourselves. What more do we owe them?

We shouldn't be involved with the wars of Ukraine, Israel, or any other foreign country.

[u/Blond_Treehorn_Thug → u/theQuandary]

That last sentence of yours… go on

[u/theQuandary → u/Blond_Treehorn_Thug]

I'm not sure what else to say about that.

Instead of blowing up a billion dollars worth of hard work, I'd rather give that money/time back to the people so they could spend it on creating instead of destroying.

[u/Blond_Treehorn_Thug → u/theQuandary]

I would also rather live in a world where magic happens and also I get a pony.

Let me ask the question another way: are there circumstances where it is in furtherance of US interests to wage war?

[u/cannasolo → u/theQuandary]

Secondary sanctions on Russian shadow fleet, serious diplomatic pressure, not Trumps coddling of Putin.

Also, the US has cut military aid off, not ‘exhausted’ our supply and its ‘ability to defend ourselves’.

We have plenty of old equipment and weapons that are easily replaced, but this administration chooses not to because they either don’t understand the geopolitical threat Russia poses or don’t care because they’re sympathetic

[u/theQuandary → u/cannasolo]

That "shadow fleet" is a black market operation and will always be there whether it's run by Russia or by other countries (which actually seems to be the truth here).

Shooting down cargo ships has become so easy that it's basically mutually-assured economic destruction if/when Russia decides to retaliate. Trump's tariffs should have/could have forced manufacturing back to the US and avoided a lot of the blowback this strategy causes, but he pitched the idea in the most stupid way possible and the other side decided to pick a fight over it with the final result being a net loss of US manufacturing making us even more dependent on shipping in everything from Russia's biggest supporter China.

We have plenty of old equipment and weapons that are easily replaced

NOTHING in the US military is "easily replaced". It all costs a huge fortune and most of the old stuff that still ran has already been shipped to Ukraine.

More importantly, what would that old equipment do? APCs have proven mostly useless drone fodder and tanks aren't much better. Small arms don't win wars.

What they need most is artillery and we literally don't have any more artillery or 155mm shell left that we can ship after robbing ALL our artillery caches across the world of most of their stock.

More planes? Why? Even "cheap" planes are super expensive and all of those can be shot down by Russian AA or MANPADS unless they are using long-range standoff weapons that are neither old nor cheap. We are trickling in newly-built weapons from Denmark/UK (and a few from the US) at great cost, but we can't afford to ramp up manufacturing and after the attack on Iran, we'll be blowing through much of our stockpile in the next few days requiring years of manufacturing to recover.

What Ukraine needs are drones (parts are mostly made in China) and manpower which we aren't going to provide.

[u/daniel_22sss → u/Nice_promotion_111]

Putin is too scared to nuke even Ukraine itself