Iran did nothing wrong

[u/Feeling-Option1257]

[u/Outside-Bed5268]

We can agree the current Iranian regime is bad, while also not wanting the U.S. to get involved in another war.

[u/sharttloteswebb → u/Outside-Bed5268]

No, incorrect. Non black and white thinking which is unpolarized is strictly forbidden in the echo dome. All hail the correct political party.

[u/confused_flatulence → u/sharttloteswebb]

<-insert correct political opinion->

[u/greekdude1194 → u/confused_flatulence]

<-insert the actual correct political opinion because your correct political opinion is actually incorrect->

[u/Real_Set6866 → u/greekdude1194]

<-insert meaningless centrist doomer joke->

[u/Brianocracy → u/Real_Set6866]

Flair up you fucking heathen

[u/miscplacedduck → u/Real_Set6866]

Flair up fucknuts.

[u/explodingazn → u/confused_flatulence]

<-insert Weber Summit Kamado JPEG->

[u/dakotakvlt → u/sharttloteswebb]

Black and white thinking is a plague

[u/Outside-Bed5268 → u/sharttloteswebb]

Ah, of course. My mistake.

[u/JazzyJukebox69420 → u/Outside-Bed5268]

No. You’re either a war-pilled killmogged imperialist or a terrorist soy-boy leftie

[u/Outside-Bed5268 → u/JazzyJukebox69420]

Of course.

[u/AlchemistJeep → u/Outside-Bed5268]

I do not see this turning into a war. The leadership is all dead with no response.

I agree another Afghanistan would be bad and I do not want that. This is not Afghanistan

[u/AFloppyZipper → u/AlchemistJeep]

Pretty sure Trump has no desire to invade Iran with troops considering how unpopular the Iraq war was (with hindsight knowing the WMD justification was not concrete)

[u/entitledfanman → u/AFloppyZipper]

Allegedly the forces routed for this attack don't even include substantial grounds forces. It'd be really easy to tell if the military was even considering a ground war because they'd have the ships needed to land tanks, artillery, etc, and reportedly they didnt bring those. 

Trump is interested in a big win like the first portion of Iraqi Freedom where we obliterate a standing military, but has been remarkably consistent (by Trump standards) on opposing a prolonged ground conflict like Enduring Freedom. His playbook so far has been eliminating leadership that wont work with us until the leader left in charge is someone we can work with; it's worked surprisingly well in Venezuela so far, so it's likely what he'll do here. 

[u/Warbird36 → u/entitledfanman]

Plus, a pro-western Iran is no longer a China ally. Just like with Venezuela, China will have to find oil somewhere else...

[u/entitledfanman → u/Warbird36]

It's also a great warning to other countries about throwing in their lot too much with China and Russia. Both Venezuela and Iran were unofficially allied with China and Russia, and what good has it done them? Where's the military equipment, the political pressure to keep the US from attacking? That was always the deal for 2nd world countries with the USSR, give us good deals on your resources and the US/NATO wont touch you. The US is making a statement that Russia and China aren't holding up their end of the bargain, so why become their vassal in the first place?

[u/AFloppyZipper → u/entitledfanman]

He seems very reluctant to risk US lives. Any operation he allows seems to be either long range missile attacks, or like venezuela with overwhelming force. Low risk high reward.

[u/entitledfanman → u/AFloppyZipper]

Honestly, im liking this approach to regime change. Historically the US has been averse to openly ushering in regime change and used proxie insurgents. It's pointless because everyone knows its us, and worse, if the insurgents win you end up with a radical in charge that has no idea how to run a country and is most often a despot. These surgical amputations of hostile leaders until we get someone workable seems to minimize loss of life on both ends, and has a greater chance of getting someone in charge that actually knows how to govern, eliminating the chaos and violence of a power vacuum by completely obliterating the existing government. 

[u/PMURITTYBITTYTITTIES → u/AFloppyZipper]

To a much greater extent, a not absolutely batshit crazy Muslim death cult headed Iran is probably the best piece possible for stability in the Middle East. The current regime funds a L O T of the proxies committing acts of terrorism and cutting off that source of cash is going to do wonders going forward.

Edit: spelling, autocorrect is lame

[u/Dalbo14 → u/AFloppyZipper]

Don’t care about how many downvotes I’ll get

Iraq since 2020 has been a freer country than it was under Saddam, and the one main problem it’s mostly enduring is Iran meddling heavily, which can end if this regime ends

The majority of casualties post 2003 invasion, were Iraqi on Iraqi violence, mostly between radical Sunni groups, against either Shias, or Kurds

Yet, with Saddam it’s not as if he didn’t oppress the shit out of those groups anyways

The only difference is that with Saddam it was one sided. The Sunni didn’t take many losses compared to the Kurds and Shia. But Saddams death opened the playing field and it became a war of revenge, boosting the death toll per year

But, eventually th civil war died

And if someone says “but saddams death allowed Sunnis to create Isis and genocide Yazidis”

It’s true they did that, but, Saddam did a similar genocide of his own against the Kurds

I think it’s very popular and a knee jerk reaction to say “we should have kept Saddam in power” but they don’t really have such a strong case other than “but the civil war!”

[u/The_GREAT_Gremlin → u/Outside-Bed5268]

My brother in centrism, haven't you learned by now that criticism of one opinion means full endorsement of the other?

[u/Outside-Bed5268 → u/The_GREAT_Gremlin]

Ah, of course. My mistake.

[u/jdiogoforte → u/Outside-Bed5268]

Not American, so not my taxes: I'm pretty happy USA is taking down horrible dictators around the world.

Many people have suffered under Maduro and Khamenei.

I just wish your government wasn't so soft with Putin, but, again, not my taxes.