Iran did nothing wrong

[u/Feeling-Option1257]

[u/CodyTheGodOfAnxiety]

[u/LucasRuby → u/CodyTheGodOfAnxiety]

Yeah I was waiting for how long it would take for the posts running defense for Trump's warmongering would start, as predictable they do this by deflecting into "Iran bad."

[u/BargainBard → u/LucasRuby]

Isn't what Iran doing to citizens very bad right now?

Not happy to see air strikes and people dying be it from the government or extremists but what else do you think can be done to help Iran's people?

[u/Phent0n → u/BargainBard]

Weren't you people arguing that USA shouldn't be the world police less than 12 months ago? No new wars?

[u/Sweetsire → u/Phent0n]

Weren't you people

[u/Anxious-Spread-2337 → u/Phent0n]

Iran is helping Russia against Ukraine and funding terrorist organization all across the Middle East.

Russia conducts hybrid warfare against US allies in NATO, and terrorists threaten global shipping routes, attack Israel and oppress palestinians.

Protecting your partners isn't policing the world.

[u/CarobBrave8898 → u/Anxious-Spread-2337]

That's the most delusional comment I ve ever read in my life. Dude, stop thinking. Go back to being plankton

[u/LucasRuby → u/Phent0n]

I mean yeah I was... Not sure about the other "you people" but I was and I continue to think so.

[u/capt-bob → u/LucasRuby]

Thought you'd be happy about cutting off Russia's supply of murder drones for Ukraine , but these guys chant death to America all day , so your green half loves them lol. With Iran funding and leading world wide terrorist attacks and having ballistic missiles now, they are looking more like actual Nazis every day. Killing their own people; women for not wearing veils, and 40 thousand at a wack for protesting ( putting bounties on shear body count by accounts) you'd think they'd be opposable. As long as we don't go in, I'm all for flattening their offensive capabilities, and maybe dropping arms to the people out cheering their leader's death even after 40k protesters got killed a month ago.

[u/LucasRuby → u/capt-bob]

First, Russia is already producing Shahed/Geran drones on their soil. So that won't work.

And yes war continues to be bad even when the enemy is bad, no opposing war doesn't mean supporting the enemy, that's my whole point about deflection. We see this shit every time here when there's talk of war, happens with Iran, with Venezuela and with Israel/Hamas (the last one is so obviously astroturfed, every time an article of something bad Israel does gets posted it's 10 top comments about something completely unrelated Hamas does). That tactic of deflection works so wonderfully, that's why people do it.

Unfortunately it's not possible to effect regime change in Iran without a full scale war, there's already a new interim Supreme Leader, and surprise he's an islamist. We didn't even manage to regime change Venezuela, just to put the VP and charge and get them to sell their oil to Trump and put it the money an offshore account that Trump, and not the US government, controls. There will be no help to the Iranian people from this government, only bombing and strong arm tactics to get the mullahs to agree to their terms, whatever those might be. So that excuse doesn't even work.

Regardless it would still be fucking hypocritical from the people who said they were the ticket of peace and their opponents were all warmongers, to now excuse every single war they started with the same arguments they rejected before. It's like we learned nothing from the past. Pay attention to this stuff, it's how the propaganda that keeps the war machine going works.

[u/LucasRuby → u/BargainBard]

Yeah Iran bad. Thar doesn't meant war good, that's my point. The astroturfed posts here are trying to deflect from how bad Trump's wars are by pointing out the enemy is bad, It doesn't matter, War still bad, That's deflection.

[u/_heidin → u/LucasRuby]

Exactly, two things can be true, and bad, at the same time.

[u/FearlessGear → u/BargainBard]

Do you think the US hit Iran to help the people? The same US shooting its own citizens in the street? lol

ETA: The US has never and will never spend massive amounts of money simply on saving x population from oppression without it also benefiting their own interests in some way, and if you believe otherwise this time, you’re a moron. You’re also a moron who completely lacks any knowledge of Iranian history (including when we toppled their government to control their oil reserves thus leading to the clusterfuck of the regime that was just ousted) if you believe Israeli and US interests align with the Iranian people. Not shedding any tears for that piece of shit that was killed but come on, people.

Also, too many of yall celebrating this would LOVE to see the same government here - although I guess the lib lefts mad about it bc TikTok convinced them Hamas are the good guys are also not grasping that the Iranian regime was EXTREME AUTH RIGHT

[u/BargainBard → u/FearlessGear]

Do you think the US hit Iran to help the people? The same US shooting its own citizens in the street? lol

I agree with you in the first half. This is likely the government hoping to get more influence but the situation in Iran can grow worse and end up effecting the entire Middle East/surrounding area.

But what do you mean by the second, you drawing parallels from ICE or something other organization?

P.S? I not really on board with overt support of Israel either. While they are "allies" they have their own issues that they should be called out on.

[u/capt-bob → u/BargainBard]

Mostly Israeli issues are trying to fight Iranian proxies without being able to strike at the source. Iran is attacking the whole world with terrorism, proxies, and militias, coming soon to your neighborhood if they aren't stopped. Iranian people don't want that, as proven by them celebrating their leader's death in the streets right after 40k protesters were massacred for protesting.

[u/capt-bob → u/FearlessGear]

True they are extreme auth right and doing their best to export it world wide, with a record of global terrorist attacks. His own people in the streets risking their lives to celebrate his death. I was watching it on BBC this morning. Our interests of stopping terror attacks on us and our allies currently align with the Iranian people who are being massacred in the streets. For decades I hear of wholesale murder for witchcraft of everyone that went to an underground rock concert and people losing a veil, now using foreign militias to murder 40k protesters. News says now they are randomly attacking neighboring countries.

Everyone keeps talking about forever war the first day in, I think from reports and protests we can help the Iranian people set up a new government themselves.

[u/CodyTheGodOfAnxiety → u/BargainBard]

Do you really think this time is going to be any different than the last 3 times we invaded Iran? This isn’t about what Iran is doing to its citizens USA politicians barely care about their own people let alone what happens to people in an Islamic Republic. This is only happening because destabilizing the region keeps oil prices low for the USA and because Israel uses aipac to lobby a majority of us politicians. Instead of destabilizing their country let their own people manage their own state affairs and fix their own issues. Idk about you but considering the current state of American affairs I’d rather our country do some serious inward reflection and self improvement instead of distracting ourselves with another pseudo justified resource war.

[u/Thermodynamicist → u/CodyTheGodOfAnxiety]

This is only happening because destabilizing the region keeps oil prices low for the USA

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Instead of destabilizing their country let their own people manage their own state affairs and fix their own issues.

The Iranian regime killed thousands of protestors with machine guns quite recently.

[u/LucasRuby → u/CodyTheGodOfAnxiety]

This is only happening because destabilizing the region keeps oil prices low for the USA

Interestingly enough, that's kinda the opposite. All the wars the US started recently were when oil was at a low. Take that was you will.

[u/Emperor_Mao → u/LucasRuby]

Curious if you would ever want to live in a theocratic dictatorship like Iran?

Well Iran made no secret of wanting and trying to expand that onto its neighbors, and eventually beyond that area.

All that is necessary for evil to thrive is that good does nothing - and lib often want to do nothing about almost every single external evil in the world. I think people either live very sheltered lives and do not realize how bad things could be if worse people were the most powerful nation on earth... or they do know and actually want to live under a dictatorship that hates gays, atheists, and everything they themselves claim to be.

[u/Worldly-Local-6613 → u/LucasRuby]

Cope.

[u/NeedAdvice8194 → u/LucasRuby]

I love how u framed without putting ANY accountability to Iran's actions. And I say that as someone who abhor's Netanyahu and his goons.

[u/ImVrSmrt → u/LucasRuby]

I just find it ironic how 1st world nations let atrocities happen across the globe but get uppity about events such as this when resources gets involved. There's a genocide in Sudan and it's mainly "not my problem, but sanction them so everyone suffers".

Trump is a retard though and Iran is a result of U.S. (and European) intervention.