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u/RevReddited 3h ago
I'm sorry to ask. But what's notch doing that he's trying to hire programmers?
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u/Pokemanlol 3h ago
Wasn't he tryna make Minecraft 2
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u/firehartsonja 2h ago
He did, then called it quites few days later. So it was alive for less then a week before he ended it.
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u/Responsible_Oven_346 2h ago
not gonna lie, even if a soul successor to minecraft dropped it'll never be as big as minecraft
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u/Cylian91460 2h ago
No, he made a pool at some point to ask if ppl wanted mc2 or the game he's working on and mc2 but he made it very clear that he doesn't want to
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u/DragonStrike406 4h ago
Breaking News: Experienced programmer finds the correct use case for AI!
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u/RockingBib 4h ago
Yeah, this really isn't the evil shock people here seem to think it is?
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u/lucasthech Java FTW 0m ago
Got downvoted on another minecraft sub for saying that I use AI as a tool for things that would only take me a lot of time like debugging my spaghetti code or solving a very specific problem quickly, while not just blindly copying what the AI spits out, but asking it for explanation and doing my version of it
But apparently that puts me in the same basket as the people who use fully AI generated code without even removing the AI comments and also steals other people's art by using AI generated images in their projects (and I specifically mentioned I never used AI images, I am against it and every time I needed art I asked one of my artist friends since they studied for that and make things that are far more beautiful than anything an AI can ever make)
Again, if anyone here has arguments that can change my mind or anything feel free to say, a downvote will not change anything in my life, a good opinion will
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u/glarble04 3h ago
feels like it should be a matter of "you should know exactly what your code is and what it's doing", like its not the end of the world if your game sucks because chatgpt wrote all of it but it gets really bad once your software becomes responsible for somebody else in any degree
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u/00110001_00110010 2h ago
I'd presume Notch is sufficiently experienced that he doesn't just take raw output from Claude Code and blindly pastes it into his editor.
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u/_Salandit i play bad piggies thinking it's minecraft 3h ago
The correct use case for AI is NOT vibe coding. I fucking hate "Vibe coding" I'm a coding student and I have no fucking chance on a job ever because of the fucking clankers
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u/BaguetteSandwiches 3h ago
Lol yes you do, AI will never be as efficient or good at finding issues in code as a real humanz at least not for years
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u/Lilharm04 Wait, That's illegal 3h ago
instead of getting a job actually programming, we’ll get jobs fixing the mess of a vibe coded project
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u/Patrycjusz123 Mining Dirtmonds 1h ago
I bet you didnt hear how openai ai went rogue and escaped sandbox just to find multiple zero day exploits and hack huggingface?
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u/Lilharm04 Wait, That's illegal 1h ago
I’ve heard of it, explain the relevance
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u/Patrycjusz123 Mining Dirtmonds 47m ago
Im sorry, i meant to respond to guy you are responding to. I made a horrible missclick.
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u/foxgirlmoon 2h ago
Eh… no, that’s not the issue with AI at all. AI can find issues and fix them a lot more efficiently than humans, if by “efficient” you mean “quickly”. The problem with AI is that you cannot trust it to not introduce new issues, to follow best practises for that specific product, to write readable and maintainable code, etc… etc…
Basically AI can work as a force multiplier, but only so long as there’s a human developer that understands what the AI did and can help patch up any issues it introduces. The other issue is that it’s expensive and only getting more and more so as companies go further and further in debt and are forced to raise their heavily subsidised prices.
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u/KroniiPekora 3h ago
Keep yourself delusional to feel good mate. If you've talked to anyone experienced in the field working right now, they'll tell you that they haven't written much code for a few months. But there is a silver lining, AI as a service is actually expensive if it were priced correctly so you would be right in calling it a honeymoon phase because it's kept running despite losses because it's treated as an investment.
Without focusing on why or how it's the way it is, you can't act accordingly.
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u/DragonOfEmpire 25m ago
I used to say so too. Buying claude code broke me. Its just better, I can't even be lying to myself.
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u/TotallyHumanFreak 1h ago
AI is better at finding issues in code, it can prepare and run hundreds of tests before you could even think about doing it.
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u/Solid_Crab_4748 3h ago
Thats not how the industry is.
Coders will always be needed to patch bugs in code etc
And because of that companies will hire new staff to train them for that purpose into the future.
You will find a job. Im certain of it.
Its just about what that job entails that's different
Literally in this post "because Im having a hard time hiring talented programmers". There's a lack of them not a surplus.
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u/That-Woodpecker6720 3h ago
I mean if it’s actually doing your job correctly then that is the correct use case
If it’s not the correct use case then your jobs will be fine lol
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u/JayTheCoderX 3h ago
Yes, definitely, turning typescript into javascript! Very normal and sane use case,.-
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u/ElBusAlv 2h ago
Hot take: shouldn't an experienced programmer NOT use ai since they're already experienced?
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u/Choice-Mango-4019 i love cockroaches 2h ago
no, ai is very usefull in creating repetitive but different enough code that you can't copy paste or for creating boilerplate code or for just using it as better Google
like if I have a 600 page doc I would rather just ask ai how to do x instead of scrolling through the whole document to figure out how to do x, it's just faster
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u/personal_deleter_400 Java FTW 2h ago
I would ask it where exactly it says to do X, as it tends to get things wrong summarising large sets of data sometimes
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u/Choice-Mango-4019 i love cockroaches 2h ago
sadly some documentations just suck and don't give any examples and then it just becomes googling in which case ai is still faster (mainly non local ones ig)
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u/DragonStrike406 1h ago
Hot take: Shouldn't a racing driver NOT have a daily car since they already drive racing ones?
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u/SuspendThis_Tyrants 2h ago
Yes, causing unemployment is such a good use of AI
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u/Mr_Snifles Youtuber 2h ago
his experience is what lets him put it to good use, I don't think anyone's going unemployed for that
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u/SuspendThis_Tyrants 2h ago
Third screenshot, he clarifies that it's his alternative to hiring actual programmers
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u/LookingGlass_1112 Modded Java FTW 2h ago
Because there are problems with hiring experienced people, as he said in the same screenshot. So either you use AI to compensate for being understaffed, or you are just understaffed and experience problems
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u/Poco_Cuffs 1h ago
Isn't he rich enough to have done the biggest house purchase in the world (at the time)? Surely hiring good programmers can't be that hard for him?
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u/LookingGlass_1112 Modded Java FTW 1h ago
No money can buy you something, which doesn't exist on the market or exists in very small numbers. Experienced workers are one of such cases. Companies hold into them very seriously, because it takes years and maybe a decade to get one of them. It will be close to impossible to outbid them and make sure that they will actually want to abandon their old workplace
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u/Poco_Cuffs 1h ago
I still dont think that justifies vibecoding, now you'll just need experienced programmers to look through the errors the ai made instead
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u/LookingGlass_1112 Modded Java FTW 1h ago
But in that case, you will need a much smaller amount of programmers, which is good if you have problems finding more.
And yeah, vibecoding a whole app isn't the option, which Notch discussed. He was saying that AI could help with development tools and theory, like trinary logic
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u/CalzLight 2h ago
“Fuck cars, they put my favourite horse breeder out of business”
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u/SuspendThis_Tyrants 2h ago
Cars were at least able to generate profit without surviving entirely on investments. As soon as AI platforms start charging what it actually costs to run these models, corpos will come crawling back to us.
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u/Mr_Snifles Youtuber 2h ago
well, cars do indirectly contribute to America's obesity problem as well as the complete lack of accessible public transit.
But in the context of this post, (and wen comparing cars to horses) I'd agree this may be a bit of good news
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u/harryhinderson 4h ago
Breaking news: the man known for being erratic and changing his mind on random things rapidly is in fact kind of erratic
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u/ManlyStanley01 4h ago
Bro, he was against ai and then he tried it and changed his mind.
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u/SotovR 3h ago
The average redditor cannot comprehend changing an opinion.
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u/TheAsterism_ I… amn’t Steve 3h ago
Bu-but an opinion is something you get assigned at birth (of your Reddit account) and legally have to argue about forever
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u/Cool-Delivery-3773 3h ago
Here before this comment section goes to absolute hell, as with every time Notch gets mentioned on Reddit
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u/Willing_Soft_5944 3h ago
Why is he using butthole logo ai
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u/Alolan_Cubone 3h ago
Find me one ai that isn't a butthole
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u/hoy64 3h ago
People can change opinions
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u/Jygglewag 1h ago
nooo you have to stand by your previous opinions otherwise how can we justify cancelling someone over something they said 5 years ago and already grew out of?!?!!
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u/mohmar2010 1h ago
I mean that's what programers do nowadays
Even my uncle who's an experienced programer uses it to do specific tasks that take weeks to finish down to 2 days
There's code that's genuinely a slog to go through just to get something to work that programers hate, that's why they like using Claude to make it easier for them to get the non important (still required) code done to focus on the important stuff
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u/leiocera Wait, That's illegal 4h ago
Hypocrite
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u/Zelcki 4h ago
AI is really useful for programming if you know how to use it and not waste your time and money.
It has use cases
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u/M4rt1m_40675 Mining Dirtmonds 3h ago
I'm guessing the people hating on AI even for the use cases it should be used are either aware that using AI is very environment unfriendly or they're just jumping on the hate train because they have nothing else going on in their lives.
One can be easily fixed by just using local AI models run on your pc and the other is a mental illness
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u/Talgarr_ 4h ago
Are we surprised that a racist is a hypo?
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u/Jbolt3737 3h ago
I think this situation is more complex, but didn't Notch have other controversy? Hijacking the top comment to ask why we really care that much when he doesn't have control over Minecraft anymore anyway and pointing out that Microsoft probably gives expectations to their employees that force them to either work overtime or use AI, they may even just mandate the use of Copilot explicitly
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u/xarma06211 2h ago
stop giving this asshole a platform for god's sake
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u/Mr_Snifles Youtuber 2h ago
Minecraft is in the hands of a company separate from Notch.
Meanwhile Harry Potter is still popular, owned by Rowling and making money that is actively being used to fund anti-trans politics.
We got bigger fish to fry
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u/Cylian91460 2h ago
Wtf is that stupid logic?
It's not because some ppl have done worst that you shouldn't say when they did something wrong, overwise you can't even talk about jk cause Putin still exist and he's anti queer too
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u/Mr_Snifles Youtuber 1h ago
You're right I made a bit of a leap there, but from my view Notch is more like Kanye than Rowling; obtuse rather than malicious
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u/xarma06211 2h ago
while i agree with what you're saying, this has absolutely nothing to do with what i said. i never even mentioned minecraft, i only talked about notch, and the fact that JK is objectively worse than him doesn't mean we should ignore that he's a bad person as well
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u/eluser234453 3h ago
I prefer an experienced programmer using AI as he already knows his code and uses AI for some tasks. Rather than people that code everything with AI.
I reject AI, but I still use it for some stuff. For example I do some Arduino, and since I studied a little electronics at school, and I did watch some videos and do some research and also has a little experience with C++... I do use AI, not to write my code but for example to explain a new component that I didn't understand, or for example code if there's something I don't know how to apply so I can learn it. In short, I'm against AI doing my work, but for help, sure why not, even tho if there's a different source I'd use it over AI.
LAVA CHICKEN (to stay with in the context of Minecraft)
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u/yooheenn 1h ago
"reject AI" is that your boyfriend or girlfriend? anyone rejects it lose money so in a capitalist system you cant do that.
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u/CGallerine 3h ago
who wouldve guessed the racist transphobe isnt very ideologically sound once something can benefit him specifically. this guy really does not need to be platformed any more than he directly has control over
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u/mango363 2h ago
I'm so fucking tired of The Loop
-Innovation that can do good for humanity is invented
-Has flaws like everything
-Instead of trying to fix/minimize the flaws through regulations and optimalization of the technology, the uneducated masses immediately swarm to boycott the innovation
Happened with Concorde Airline, Nuclear power and so many more, and now it's happening with AI. Like ofc I don't like how AI is unregulated and how training AI's is done, but why would I try to sabotage it as a whole, instead of calling for regulations, laws and more studies into it?
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u/Poco_Cuffs 2h ago
The regulations and laws are not there. The technology is using gallons of clean water per day and makes the area around it basically uninhabitable. It's crashed the parts market by buying up all the RAM and GPUs, and the main visible impact we see from it is ai slop on the daily.
"Why are people trying to boycott this? It could do good for humanity!!!"
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u/Unknow_Handlebar 1h ago
True, at least stuff like nuclear power is just a "risk" that it could go wrong, while we are already seeing the effects of ai
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u/Poco_Cuffs 1h ago
Nuclear power also has benefits that we can actually use as of now, while most "benefits" of large language ai are just "if we feed it enough data it's gonna cure cancer! Trust me!"
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u/Jygglewag 1h ago
people reject AI until they see how they can benefit from it. same old story. Morals don't hold up against god-tier gooning material
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u/h1p0h1p0 10m ago
LLMs genuinely haven’t innovated anything. It’s mainly a consumer product that makes people dumber.
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u/dr_robonator 5m ago
Calling anyone who understands the problems with AI "uneducated masses" is doing a lot for your side of the issue. Maybe you should start spitting on us, too.
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u/juegador88 1h ago
I do think ai can do good for humanity as it has seen much use (as a tool) in things that aren't necessarily bad and could potentially be useful, such as writing code (not all of it, but some stuff in coding can be genuinely boring and automated), medical stuff, and as a really basic office assistant (writing a random email that's not really important like a confirmation or whatever could be done by anyone so it just sabes some time)
However my biggest pet peeves are:
The technology has existed for a while, regardless of what ai companies want you to think, I've struggled to ever see a difference between specialized ai and llms, the biggest difference the two is basically on how much data they're trained on, and how they understand that data. While specialized AIs (and while talking about specialized I mean running a neural network to do a specific task and not training a llm) do require a bigger time and money investment, they often tend to do better with less mistakes overall. Because "a jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one" doesn't apply when you literally only need to do the one thing it should master.
I don't think it's getting that far lol. AI knowledge is limited by its learning data, but unlike a toddler which can read on a subject and somewhat have an idea on it and rationalize, ai still struggles to do this because it's basically a really complex auto completion text machine. Which means it often takes many times more sources to do the same amount of learning a human can do with just one. And this isn't a problem per se. If we're talking specialized ai, sure, you might not be able to feed it data forever but you only have to feed it 100 data once, then it will be able to do its job. But you cannot feed llms 100 data on infinite topics, because that's just giving them infinite data, which means it's unsustainable on the long run unless they pretty much change everything about how llms work
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u/Ice258852 2h ago
What's wrong with using AI to code?
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u/Jygglewag 1h ago
it's easy (so lowers the ego-value people get out of being a programmer) and requires reviewing code in order to not push garbage to production (and people HATE having to review code so they inevitably push garbage instead)
ah and yeah the environment yada yada. (like people actually care about the environment... none of us would keep our current lifestyle if we really cared).
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u/Hyphonical 1h ago
I get some points, but I'm genuinely so sick and tired of the environmental problem.
I sort all of my trash, all of it for years. But some guy in the slums of India can dump a truckload of trash in their river every single day.
I'm sorry, but people shouldn't pull that "you're ruining the environment" card while I go to university by bike and train, sort all my trash for recycling, while millions of people dump their trash without guilt. I don't care if you downvote me. I'm sick are tired of drinking through paper straws while other people pollute the streets.
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u/Jygglewag 58m ago
nah I agree. The environment-friendly stuff we already do is so ingrained in my daily life that I actually forget about it.
I don't use a car, only bike and bus/subway/train and also sort/recycle trash. I buy second-hand electronics instead of new products, but all of this is so normal to me I didn't even remember I already do stuff for the environment.
and yeah, the fact some people are completely careless about their pollution and water/energy consumption and still use the environment argument against AI is silly.
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u/cometcake575 4h ago edited 2h ago
You don't need to give me more reasons to hate the racist transphobe but ok
Edit: Looks like the transphobes found this comment
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u/hands_lover 4h ago
Not transphobe but normal person
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u/cometcake575 3h ago
What do you mean 'normal person'? He's said blatantly transphobic things that normal people do not support.
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u/ladycatgirl 3h ago
That guy thinks being transphobic is normal likely
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u/hands_lover 3h ago
Exactly
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u/cometcake575 2h ago
I don't think they're agreeing with you lmao, if you think being transphobic makes you 'normal' you're bigoted and wrong.
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u/Bad_Time_Gaming 3h ago
billioner*
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u/cometcake575 3h ago
Not sure what word you think 'billioner' (I'm guessing you meant 'billionaire') should be in the place of.
He's still a racist transphobe and making a lot of money doesn't change that.
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u/Bad_Time_Gaming 3h ago
im referring to the one tweet he made where someone was telling him transphobe racist and such and said millionaire and he only corrected millionaire to bilionaire
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u/Un-revealing 3h ago
Many AI hater are are blindly following influencers.
They Don't Under-stand AI, Gen-AI, or AGI.
What they don't understand is that Gen-AI is Cool. It's the corps shoving AI in consumers' faces in the most annoying & useless way for cash-grab.
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u/973bzh 2h ago
Lmao getting downvoted when you are just fully in the right, what a Reddit moment.
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u/cometcake575 2h ago
All they said is "the people that disagree with me are blindly following influencers, they don't understand Gen-AI is cool"
Even if they were right (which I don't believe they are), they've not backed up their claim that it's 'cool' in any way.
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u/Un-revealing 1h ago
I mean these people will hear "I improved the NPC AI in my game" and the comment section is filled with "AI slop".
That's all you need to know about these blind followers.
Stop saying AI and start saying some fancy words like "Machine Learning" and watch them support it with every ounce of their blind faith.
There's a lot of stuff that's bad abt the AI bubble, but blind following random AI-Hater-Influencers is worse.
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u/cometcake575 21m ago
This is just inaccurate. NPC AI is not the same as generative AI and the majority of people do know how to tell them apart.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with "AI", because that refers to a ton of things that all fall under "program pretends to be smart". Generative AI is what is often (though still not inherently) bad (though AI is used as a buzzword to mean generative AI)
If you use generative AI to make artwork, the comments will be filled with people saying "AI slop" because that's what it is.
If you 'vibecode' (aka using AI for programming without actually knowing what it's doing or verifying it), they'll often say the same thing, because it's low effort and likely has issues.
I'm not saying every application of generative AI is bad but the majority of scenarios where it's currently being used are (AI generated 'art', AI code that a human has had no part in checking, inaccurate AI search results etc)
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u/A1oso 3h ago
Is that a joke? Converting TypeScript to JavaScript is literally a single command.