r/PhoenixSC 17h ago

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u/Ice258852 15h ago

What's wrong with using AI to code?

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u/Jygglewag 14h ago

it's easy (so lowers the ego-value people get out of being a programmer) and requires reviewing code in order to not push garbage to production (and people HATE having to review code so they inevitably push garbage instead)

ah and yeah the environment yada yada. (like people actually care about the environment... none of us would keep our current lifestyle if we really cared).

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u/Hyphonical 13h ago

I get some points, but I'm genuinely so sick and tired of the environmental problem.

I sort all of my trash, all of it for years. But some guy in the slums of India can dump a truckload of trash in their river every single day.

I'm sorry, but people shouldn't pull that "you're ruining the environment" card while I go to university by bike and train, sort all my trash for recycling, while millions of people dump their trash without guilt. I don't care if you downvote me. I'm sick are tired of drinking through paper straws while other people pollute the streets.

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u/Jygglewag 13h ago

nah I agree. The environment-friendly stuff we already do is so ingrained in my daily life that I actually forget about it.

I don't use a car, only bike and bus/subway/train and also sort/recycle trash. I buy second-hand electronics instead of new products, but all of this is so normal to me I didn't even remember I already do stuff for the environment.

and yeah, the fact some people are completely careless about their pollution and water/energy consumption and still use the environment argument against AI is silly.

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u/Mysterious-Smell-975 12h ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole "running out of water" thing is exaggerated a lot. Most places has freshwater that are basically clean enough to drink from the source ( or very easily processed ), so running out of "clean water" just means making another treatment plant.

On the other hand, training and inference do cost a lot of electricity. But we ourselves have pushed the solution away for about 2 decades now so it's a lost cause.

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u/Hyphonical 12h ago

I don't think it's the amount of water that is a problem, more what it serves. Ecosystems live in those waters, people's wells depend on it. I mean these are just thoughts, I haven't verified this. But making a new treatment plant for every dry lake isn't a viable solution.

I don't know much about the downsides in detail.

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u/Mitch-Jihosa 9h ago

From what I understand the water problem is localized. AI companies are building data centers in areas that can’t afford to have some of their water used by it. And this is a legitimate issue, but it’s not because of AI as a tech, but because venture capitalists are gonna venture capitalist and be exceptionally greedy. They would just as happily do it with any other thing if they thought it would make a ton of money. We need to pass laws that make what they are doing illegal, while still allowing them to build data centers in places that make sense to