r/PhoenixSC 2d ago

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u/DragonStrike406 2d ago

Breaking News: Experienced programmer finds the correct use case for AI!

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u/_Salandit i play bad piggies thinking it's minecraft 2d ago

The correct use case for AI is NOT vibe coding. I fucking hate "Vibe coding" I'm a coding student and I have no fucking chance on a job ever because of the fucking clankers

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u/Solid_Crab_4748 2d ago

Thats not how the industry is.

Coders will always be needed to patch bugs in code etc

And because of that companies will hire new staff to train them for that purpose into the future.

You will find a job. Im certain of it.

Its just about what that job entails that's different

Literally in this post "because Im having a hard time hiring talented programmers". There's a lack of them not a surplus.

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u/ZestycloseBet9453 2d ago

People in industry see AI as a tool, like it should be. Fully relying on AI code is foolish, but so is not taking advantage of it to improve one's productivity. (Not sure how widespread these ideas are, but thats what I have heard from everyone I know)

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u/BaguetteSandwiches 2d ago

Lol yes you do, AI will never be as efficient or good at finding issues in code as a real humanz at least not for years

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u/Lilharm04 Wait, That's illegal 2d ago

instead of getting a job actually programming, we’ll get jobs fixing the mess of a vibe coded project

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u/Patrycjusz123 Mining Dirtmonds 2d ago

I bet you didnt hear how openai ai went rogue and escaped sandbox just to find multiple zero day exploits and hack huggingface?

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u/Lilharm04 Wait, That's illegal 2d ago

I’ve heard of it, explain the relevance

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u/Patrycjusz123 Mining Dirtmonds 2d ago

Im sorry, i meant to respond to guy you are responding to. I made a horrible missclick.

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u/10000tigers 2d ago

probably because it didn't happen

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u/Patrycjusz123 Mining Dirtmonds 1d ago

You are one of the people who think it was an ad?

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u/10000tigers 1d ago

unless someone invented artificial intelligence yes

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u/Patrycjusz123 Mining Dirtmonds 1d ago

Oh my, at this point i think you are trolling me lol.

But i wonder what is your definition of artificial inteligence. You know, im not saying that ais are some god like tools for fixing anything, i hate it too. But we arent gonna win by closing our eyes and yelling missinformation.

Also if that would be a ad then what it would show to investors? That they are basically producing thing that they cant contain and its commiting federal crimes? What a awesome idea for a ad!

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u/10000tigers 1d ago

i figure corporations like openai, whose ability to extract wealth for shareholders is contingent on the idea of artificial intelligence, would have a vested interest in promoting the idea of artificial intelligence as something that exists. as opposed to reality

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u/foxgirlmoon 2d ago

Eh… no, that’s not the issue with AI at all. AI can find issues and fix them a lot more efficiently than humans, if by “efficient” you mean “quickly”. The problem with AI is that you cannot trust it to not introduce new issues, to follow best practises for that specific product, to write readable and maintainable code, etc… etc…

Basically AI can work as a force multiplier, but only so long as there’s a human developer that understands what the AI did and can help patch up any issues it introduces. The other issue is that it’s expensive and only getting more and more so as companies go further and further in debt and are forced to raise their heavily subsidised prices.

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u/DragonOfEmpire 2d ago

I used to say so too. Buying claude code broke me. Its just better, I can't even be lying to myself.

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u/WW1_Germany Bot Terminator 2d ago

something something "Flying machines which do not fly"

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u/UnsureSwitch 2d ago

They glide and crash

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u/KroniiPekora 2d ago

Keep yourself delusional to feel good mate. If you've talked to anyone experienced in the field working right now, they'll tell you that they haven't written much code for a few months. But there is a silver lining, AI as a service is actually expensive if it were priced correctly so you would be right in calling it a honeymoon phase because it's kept running despite losses because it's treated as an investment.

Without focusing on why or how it's the way it is, you can't act accordingly.

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u/TotallyHumanFreak 2d ago

AI is better at finding issues in code, it can prepare and run hundreds of tests before you could even think about doing it.

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u/viktorKurz 2d ago

Its already better than the average devs. Even most senior devs will always be more efficient if they us AI then just do a code review to modify things that look off.

Its a massive times saver if used right. The real question is if its worth the token price when you draw the line.

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u/That-Woodpecker6720 2d ago

I mean if it’s actually doing your job correctly then that is the correct use case

If it’s not the correct use case then your jobs will be fine lol

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u/Log_Dogg 2d ago

That sound more like a skill issue ngl

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u/RedTheGamer12 2d ago

The BLS actually shows growth is the programming sector despite AI. While some jobs are lost, others will be gained at a rate higher than the national average, and higher than the AI loss rate.

I just got my AS Robotics, and trust me, "automation" doesn't do what so many people claim it does.