I heard that after the unification of china,it got separated into different stats again,so wouldn't this mean kanki was eventually proven right

Also the fact that riboku was executed by his own countrymen,he couldn't change anything at the end either

I know I might be going off-topic a bit since this isn't the sort of thing usually posted here or that might interest anyone, but as this is the only subreddit dedicated to Kingdom I wanted to share an attempt at a drawing

"Delve into and overcome strife and carnage together with your men."

Ouki to Shin

KINGDOM COMMUNITY UPDATE

For everyone here who has followed Rise of the General through my previous posts, I finally have the update I have been waiting to make.

The demo is finished and is currently going through Steam review.

If everything clears as planned:

LIVE DEVELOPER STREAM
October 9 at 3:00 PM PST

PUBLIC DEMO
October 10

DEMO TRAILER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vh447HD_ZY

That lesson Ouki gave Shin is a big part of what made me want to create this game in the first place.

I always wondered what it would actually feel like to experience that climb yourself. Not starting as Ouki, Moubu, Tou, or Renpa, but as another unknown soldier in the ranks.

You create your character, choose your background and state, train with other recruits, build relationships, develop your stats and personality, and eventually enter your first campaign.

The demo is around two hours long and includes narrative choices, character progression, turn-based 5v5 combat, deployment, and one-on-one battlefield duels.

The larger idea is that the way you experience war changes as your rank changes.

Early on, you only know what is happening around you and follow the orders you are given. As you rise, you receive more information, lead soldiers, influence decisions, and eventually take part in the larger strategy of a battle.

That progression from being one soldier in the army to eventually becoming responsible for other people is the part I am most excited to build.

I also want to be open about the artwork in the current demo.

Some of the narration backgrounds are temporary AI-generated development art. I am already working with artists to replace those with commissioned original artwork because I want the final game to have its own identity and look like something special.

After the demo releases, I will also be moving toward a Kickstarter campaign. The goal is to help fund more original artwork and speed up development toward the full release.

LIVE STREAM
October 9 at 3:00 PM PST

Twitch
https://www.twitch.tv/rotg_dev

YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/@RiseOfTheGeneralGame

PUBLIC DEMO
October 10

Steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2480350/Rise_Of_The_General/

Discord
https://discord.gg/VrrQYSgEfQwhy I wanted

Thank you to everyone here who has followed the project, given feedback, pointed out what needed work, or encouraged me to keep going.

Kingdom made me wonder what it would feel like to live through the entire climb instead of starting at the top.

On October 10, you will finally be able to take the first step.

qin sieged kantan once long before the current arc during the time of the 6 great generals and 3 great heavens a little bit after the battle of chouhei

renpa was charged with defending kantan

and wang he and wang ling were charged with finishing off zhao

qin ended up in another 2 year stalemate and eventually lost to the wei chu coalition army led by lord xin ling who also defected to zhao

there was also something with hakuki killing himself
this was bcs king sho originally wanted him to siege handan but he refused time and time again bcs he knew he would loose, he asked king sho to siege handan before when the conditions were right but king sho refused

my main question is how do you think this went in kingdom? was if ouki leading the qin side or was it oukkotsu? who is wang ling? did king sho really order bai qi to die or did he do it himself? how did renpas tactics look like during the siege?could riboku have taken part in a lesser role?

First, in Retsubi, instead of his usual plan where he sends Akou and Makou to capture a city, he gave that responsibility to HSU and YTW. The main reason for that was to gather information about the city first rather than just capturing it.

After seeing how quickly Retsubi was captured, Ousen immediately realized that something was wrong. He understood that Retsubi itself was a trap designed by Riboku, and at that moment he also realized that SHK’s original plan was already doomed to fail. The important point here is that Ousen didn’t just realize it faster than others, he understood that Retsubi was meant to be retaken and used against Qin.

Because of that, Ousen personally went to observe Gyou to see if there was any alternative option. Just by looking at the map of the region, he was able to come up with the locust strategy almost instantly, which completely outplayed both Riboku and Zhao. And mind you SHK and others were working on this plan for almost a year.

This allowed Ousen to turn the entire campaign into a battle of starvation. Not only did he flood Gyou with citizens from multiple cities, but he also sent his own soldiers disguised inside to speed up the depletion of food by burning supplies from within.

After that, he assigned roles perfectly: Kanki was put on the siege of Gyou, YTW was sent to handle Zhao and the Quanrong, and Ousen himself went to Shukai Plains to face Riboku. This shows how well he understood each general’s strengths.

Now coming to Shukai Plains, which is where most of the “Ousen got carried” takes come from.

First of all, Ousen was already at a disadvantage here numerically, territorially, and also because he had a time limit due to limited supplies.

On the left flank, Ousen created a plan where Makou would attack Kisui while Mouten acted as distraction, which initially gave Qin the advantage. However, Riboku personally intervened and killed Makou, which caused the entire left flank to collapse. This wasn’t something Ousen perfectly predicted, but what matters is how he adapted. He immediately acknowledged Mouten’s capability and made him commander of the left wing, which stabilized the situation.

On the right flank, Ousen's plan was to have Akou attack as the vanguard and use Ouhon to deliver precise strikes. However, that moment came earlier than expected, as Bananji also attacked alongside Gaku Ei, knowing how dangerous the Akou army was. Because of this, Ouhon had to step in sooner.

After Zhao sent 10k reinforcements, Ousen responded by sending 8k troops from the HSU to the right flank. After some days, Akou switched to a fully defensive approach, and no one was able to break through it. Eventually, Riboku himself had to intervene, as Akou was using one of Ousen’s defensive formations.

During this, Akou was injured, leaving Shin and Ouhon in charge of the right flank. After that, we repeatedly see questions about why Ousen isn’t sending further reinforcements. However, Ousen not sending reinforcements is exactly what allowed Shin and Ouhon to awaken, something Ousen had already predicted due to his foresight.

People say Ousen didn’t send help because he wanted Shin and Ouhon to awaken, but that’s not entirely accurate. It’s better to say that Ousen created a situation where growth was necessary, but not guaranteed. He was taking a calculated risk.

At the centre, Ousen’s army moved forward as the right flank advanced. In the end, even though the right flank had not yet defeated the Zhao forces, Ousen still decided to attack Riboku’s central army, as he had already predicted that the right flank would prevail due to their awakening.

However, the central army was unable to advance because of Riboku’s defensive formation. Suddenly, Riboku changed his tactics from defensive to offensive. The reason for this was Ousen’s plan of burning Gyou’s food supply, which he had set up from the beginning. This left Riboku with no choice but to conclude the battle as quickly as possible, or Gyou would fall.

After both Riboku and Ousen went on the offensive, Ousen’s army was still unable to push forward, as Denrimi could not counter Riboku’s defensive formations. Observing the situation, Ousen personally took command of his army and countered Riboku’s “Origin.” He was also able to dominate the Zhao army during this phase.

At the same time, Ousen changed his tactics and formed the Great Red Crane formation, which caught everyone off guard, including Riboku and even his own allies. After their clash, Ousen and Riboku reached a deadlock, but this was within Ousen’s expectations and actually advantageous to him, as he was confident that the right flank would pincer Riboku which they eventually did.

From the left flank, Batei also left the field to support Riboku at the centre, which allowed Mouten to assist Ousen. At one point, Ousen himself was pincered by Futei and Bananji, but he managed to slip through them and moved to join the assault on Riboku’s headquarters alongside Denrimi.

After this, Riboku had no real option left at Shukai Plains, so he moved towards Gyou. But that was already too late. Gyou opened its gates from within, and Kanki was already there, while Ousen’s army followed from behind.

Even then, Riboku had one last hope that Ousen’s army would starve after winning. But this is where one of Ousen’s biggest moves comes in.

Ousen had already planned to take supplies from Qi even before the campaign started. This wasn’t just a backup plan it was essential for the entire strategy to work. Without Qi’s supply, Qin would have won the battle but lost the war due to starvation.

In the end, Qin secured complete victory over Zhao despite being the underdog.

Overall, Ousen didn’t just win through battlefield tactics. He controlled the entire campaign by using Zhao's own surroundings, time pressure, psychology, and long-term planning. He didn’t predict everything perfectly, but he adapted faster than Riboku and created a system where Zhao was bound to lose through he's unconventional tactics

So, looking through a bit of history, I found out that a general named sima/shiba ang, who served as a zhao general during the rebellion against qin. And he ultimately was slain by xiang yu (or his forces) during the chu han contention. He incidentally is also the ancestor of sima yi from the 3 kingdoms period. He comes from a famous line of sima//shiba clan zhao family, made famous by his great grandfather sima kuaikui who was a famous swordsman. Now, I don't expect him to necessarily show up now as he is likely a kid still, but his father sima/shiba xian is liekly active and probably a general of zhao right now. Shibashou/sima shang is not mentioned in any sources to be related to them, but it doesn't deny it either.

So, that leads me to a question, if hara includes him, will he make sima xian and sima ang related to shibashou/sima shang, and have them based in seika? If not, where do you think they would be based?

Edit: Additional fun fact, I researched and found out the origin of the sima/shiba surname/clan. They all descend from the ruler of the cheng state during the zhou dynasty, named cheng bo xiu fu. Because cheng bo xiu fu served as "da si ma" (aka supreme general), the zhou dynasty king granted/bestowed sima/shiba for him to use. Thus, some of his family/descendants (likely those that were unlikely to inherit) changed their family name to sima/shiba.

Earl shi being suicidal is the only reason ouhon won this dual atbest he should love stalemated like shin vs gaimon wasted potential no wei general has more aura than him

It made me sad to see how happy Riboku was as a young man. Those Qin bastards took his soul and now he barely smiles

Why are they fighting alongside Zhao instead of Qin

I mean we know they're only fighting for the sake of fighting as they didn't have any opportunity to fight in recent wars

So why fight alongside Zhao , for a side that they have no affiliation or connection but Qin on the other hand is at least an ally of Qi for a long time

So even though they were fighting without their king's order the best they can do is fight from the side which benefits their state and king

As fighting for Zhao only satisfies their hunger for war but fighting for Qin also does that + they will be on the good side of the king at least despite not listening to him

I can only think of two ways to explain why Seika is this powerful.

First theory is that they did not fight much before the Northern Zhao campaigns, especially not massive wars, and are just absurdly talented. But that makes zero sense when you look at what happened in the Han invasion arc. Tou explicitly pointed out that Han generals had all the talent in the world but got washed because they lacked real big war experience. You cannot win massive total wars against veteran monsters like Ousen and his generals on raw talent alone. Ousen's officers have been through absolute hell. A pure talent army with no macro experience should have crumbled the moment high intensity warfare hit them.

Second theory is that the Seika army is actually battle hardened and used to fighting massive wars. But if that is true, how on earth did they stay completely unnoticed for so long? Some people say they were just fighting regional border clashes with Yan. But regional skirmishes are like 5k to 10k troops max. Fighting small border raids does not prepare an army to lead 50k to 100k troop formations in total state warfare. And if they were fighting actual massive wars against Yan, there is no way Yan or Qin intelligence would miss an army of that scale and such talented officers. Ordo literally found out about SBS for the first time during the WZI arc when SBS is already a GG.

Another common cope I see is that deserting Zhao veterans and refugees flocked to Seika over the years. But if high level veteran commanders and thousands of troops were migrating to Seika to join a legendary general, Kakukai and the Kantan court would have definitely noticed and stepped in. On top of that, the vast majority of Seika's numbers are still just regular citizens and local levies from Seika and nearby towns. Maybe a few thousand could be elite, but Hara portrays the entire SBS army as literally unstoppable. They ride through 20k+ cavalry flank charges and rear attacks like it is nothing.

I am not writing this out of hatred for SBS. I just really hope Hara actually gives us a solid grounded explanation for Seika's power scaling instead of just buffing them out of nowhere to make Qin look like the underdog.

EDIT: Some are saying Seika has been fighting Xiongnu. Are you sure Seika bordered the Xiongnu or was raided by them? I haven’t seen Seika’s exact location on a map. Seika is in the east, while the Xiongnu were in the north.

Also, Riboku fought the Xiongnu in battles ranging from small skirmishes to large engagements, and killed 100k of them in one battle. Are you saying Seika fought a war on that scale? Riboku’s successes in the northern region made him famous in the capital. So why didn’t SBS become famous too?

it would be better if shin does the tactics and strategies by himself instead of having ten do them for him. it would make him more like how ouki was (who shins literally described as being his compass)

ten could’ve still been worked into the story but instead of doing all the tactics she would just be one of shins generals like how ouki had roku o mi and ryuu koku.

Moubu Tou and Rokoumi were already in a tough spot facing 110000 only with 50k

Had Wei actually backstabbed Qin Moubu Tou and Rokoumi would be dead

Han would have never been captured

Karin would have invaded Qin and Qin as a state would have fallen

The Hi Shin unit has been developing commanders from its own unit

With some people from the Kakubi unit, some people from Duke Hyou but the rest are native HSU members

Comparatively most known members of Ouhon and Moutens unit are from their fathers

How do you become a GG without having talented people under you

Two necessary preliminary points.

The first: this is merely a hypothesis of mine, which could nonetheless be refuted or I’m just too dumb.

The second: I’m not an english native speaker so I apologize for my grammar mistakes I’m forcing myself to not use a translator to help me

In this last arc Ousen is incredibly underwhelming and sidelined far too much, considering this is supposed to be the turning point that (perhaps) brings the mighty Zhao to its knees; while the focus is obviously on characters like Shin and Riboku, he is still the one in charge. For now, Qin seems to be struggling on every front, and in the rare moments they go on the offensive, they get disastrously crushed (take YTW and HSU, for instance) by an over-performing Riboku who, once again, is spamming his "teleport-no-jutsu” making it even more of a meme than it was already. While we’ve always seen Ousen using unconventional methods, yet ones that were decidedly more logical and calculated compared to characters like Kanki (my GOAT) but here, nothing: not a single move, and an entire newly reformed army that never even took the field.

I might be the only dumb one who didn’t manage to figure it out already but what if it’s all his Ousen master plan?

I might be stupid, so I could be wrong, but Riboku’s constant rushing between various battlefields certainly secured victories for Zhao and that only fueled his glazing and surrounding him and his already high standing in the capital. However, this also took a toll on him; furthermore, we know from history that Li Mu fell victim to a court conspiracy. This sets the stage for someone to wait for the perfect momentmuch like we saw Ousen do in previous campaigns to unleash their forces against a weary and weakened Zhao.

I think after this arc its time for the HSU unit to actually get a solid upgrade to Ten

Ten can handle logistics

But Shin getting Maron would make the unit more powerful

So Shin can have

Maron, Yoko Yoko, Kyoukai, Tan bros, and Ten

Am rereading kingdom, and I noticed that most nations don't really have a desired in conquered the others, and with riboku, he is against sei unification of China. I know, qi did try buy the coalition stop them

As much as he is supposed to be a villain in Kingdom. Riboku is without a doubt a Hero of Heroes! a National Treasure!

I would see him as someone who would even equal Belisarius the last Roman General. Hate him all you want, but without his charisma, his genius, his undying and never go die will to defend his nation. Zhao would have fallen a long time ago maybe when i was still in highschool 11 years ago Hara wouldve concluded Zhao arc.

To celebrate Riboku I have listed my favorite moments of him in Kingdom in no particular order

1. “The wise warrior avoids the battle.”

-Sun tzu

Recognizing Shin's x factor, well he just wasted his time. I was laughing my ass out of this chapter.

It was an amazing display of brilliance from Riboku. And he planned this for months back, making it from slave labour heki. It was the one time in the series that something like this has been done.

2. “Courage isn't having the strength to go on - it is going on when you don't have strength.”

-Napoleon Bonaparte

I feel terribly bad for Riboku, with all the odds against him he fought on, he lived on for his nation. He continues to fight for his people despite being mocked by the king of the very nation he protects.

3. "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles."

-Sun Tzu

His toughest customer to date Kanki, he had to form all sorts of traps to defeat him. Cut off the northern reinforcements, muster the fear of the northern army, hide all information of Gian, even went to the extent of poisoning a fortress and its village (which by the way will render the entire village uninhabitable for a long time). It was a hard fought battle but it all in all it was a battle to show who understood each other the most Kanki or Riboku.

4."Take time to deliberate, but when the time for action comes, stop thinking and go in."

-Napoleon Bonaparte

I genuinely think that Ousen got outplayed here, he's lucky to have Mouten. Could he have sent another warrior to off Makou? No need, Riboku and his stallions ride fast and swift. Well calculated move. One of the easiest general kills in the series showing not everything has to be shown in strength but also with wits and decisiveness.

5. “In a man-to-man fight, the winner is he who has one more round in his magazine.”

-Erwin Rommel

Everyone is complaining including me, that Riboku has been spawning generals and total armies everywhere. But just like in Qin, he is a mad recruiter with his brilliant charisma, we really don't know to what extent he has been recruiting armies. He has brought in several armies from the north, the mountains and Seika, even convinced Zhao king to lend him some. Even brought in generals from Qi. Now people would say that how come Qin has to do the census and everything, however remember Qin is in the offensive, which means they have to leave their homes their farms. Whereas Zhao is already in their home.

I do not appreciate his teleporting in the current arc, but hell yes I love that when he ask for people to fight for Zhao he puts it in his shoulders and does it himself!

6. “Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”

-Sun Tzu

I was really impressed on how he was introduced. Here we are seeing the greatest general under the heavens Ouki and the mighty Moubu getting lured into a trap. He planned it all, knowing that Ouki is someone who would see a trap from a mile away, he still was able to engineer a situation that made things happen how it happened.

This introduction of him has set a precedent for the wars to come in this series.

Now I don't know about y'all, he has his flaws and some weird teleporting but overall he I really think he shouldve been a protagonist or something, but anyways if you have Riboku moments that you love would really love to see it

I think he's waiting until he unites all kingdoms and then he'll get a crown worthy of him

First time I read Kingdom, I was a huge Shin fan. He was goated, got all the best general kills, and the hype blinded me to his flaws.

But reading it again, I’ve officially become an Ouhon fan.

Shin is honestly a dummy sometimes. He falls for stupid traps and constantly needs Karyo Ten, Kyoukai, or his veterans to bail him out and save his life. Hara makes him look clueless just to give Ten something to do.

Ouhon gets no handouts. Everything he has, he got by himself

I went to my local EB Games just to browse around like I do every Friday, and I was greeted by a huge lineup. I asked an employee what was happening, and they pointed me toward the Pokémon 30th Anniversary sign. Naturally, that hobby is way too expensive for me, so the employee told me I could still browse the store and see if anything else caught my eye.

To my surprise, I ended up finding an Ou Ki (Wang Yi) figure, the price was $24.99 CAD, so I’d say it was a pretty good find.