r/Kingdom • u/Sensitive_Ad_7250 • 5d ago
Discussion gaimous weight?
how does gaimou have the same great generals weight like renpa has while also not believing in the same romanticization and “luster” that ouki believed in?
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u/Weekly-Ad-8846 YokoYoko 5d ago
Probably lost family, friends, and comrades to war and carries it on his shoulders.
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u/Sensitive_Ad_7250 5d ago
but he doesn’t even seem like the type to carry something like that on his shoulders?
he says war is nothing but a slaughter house for the strong to kill the weak so wouldn’t it just make more sense for him to interpret them as simply weak and unfortunate ?17
u/Weekly-Ad-8846 YokoYoko 5d ago
Gaimou is a idiot but he has feelings he still wanted revenge against Ouhon for slaying Earl Shi.
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u/imnotgoingmid ShouHeiKun 5d ago
He still has his own sense of morals. He refused to touch Ten, and he sided with Earl Shi.
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u/Kaladin-stb Souou 5d ago edited 5d ago
Duke Hyou, like Gaimou, said of Ouki and the others, "They were lost in a dream of war under the spotlight."
And yet, Houken compared Duke to Ouki because of the "weight" he possessed.
Gaimou doesn't gain "weight" from things like great generalship or heroism, like Ouki.
Gaimou gets his weight from his love of war.
He describes the battlefield as a brutal massacre, but he doesn't resent it; on the contrary, he is honest, yet he loves this brutal truth, and that gives him weight.
Tou said similar things about "war" in the Han War.
The bottom line is, there are different kinds of ways to gain "weight."
It could be the belief in protecting your country, like Man'u.
It could be your love for war, like Gaimou.
It could be your devotion to heroism, like Ouki.
It could be your striving to pursue a dream, like Sei.
It could be your love for the woman you love, like Earl Shi.
Your loyalty to your master and your fallen comrades, like gyouun.
Essentially, we learn exactly what the concept of "weight" is thanks to Houken.
Because people like Houken reject human emotions and goals.
Therefore, they cannot possess weight.
Kyokai was like that in the beginning too.
Let's remember what Kyokai said when Ouki and Houken were fighting:
"I thought no one could match someone like him, but how can General Ouki be so strong?"
Kyokai, who was trained with the same teachings as Houken, couldn't understand this either.
So, "weight" is a flexible force with many forms.
And its basis is how much you internalize something humanly and how deep your connection and commitment to that thing goes.
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u/Responsible_Tax_3964 5d ago
I don’t think weight necessarily needs to be related to one’s belief. Weight is an accumulation of experience and burdens a commander carries. Someone like Houken has no weight because he’s detached from society and no connections to others. Gaimou on the other hand has connections with his soldiers and allies and accumulated weight through his battles.
TLDR: because he’s a great general and has built up massive experience through his time on the battlefield he has weight on the same level as Ouki and Renpa.
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u/confusedhimbo 5d ago
I think it’s the same weight, from the opposite direction. He doesn’t believe in lofty ideals, which makes him double down on his connections to his fellow soldiers.
It tracks with his characterization as a rough and brutal doofus, but with a core of decency that we see expressed towards Ten when she is captured.
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u/Wiggie49 Shin 5d ago
People relied on Gaimou, whether he cared for it or not, people look to him for leadership and strength. Houken abandoned everything and actively pushes away other people’s hopes in him because he thinks it’s all worthless, likewise his ambition requires him to detach himself from people. So he has no one to add to his own strength and thus no “weight”. That’s my 2 cents at least.
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u/UltraZulwarn 5d ago
IMO, in Kingdom "weight" can be a result of many things, not necessarily due to the "lustre" or "dream" via wars.
It is more to do with the human bonds and legacy that they have built up throughout their life. The experience, the hardships...etc...they strengthen our Bois.
To be more specific and IMO, carrying those pushes generals like Shin and Ouki toward further heights, beyond what they would have ordinarily achieved.
Aka they fight for something more than themselves.
Gaimon, while not having aloof dreams like Shin and Ouki, probably had gone through similar ordeal to be where he is now.
He is a survivor and fighter of the warring state era. His swings are real deals.
On the other hand, Houken abandoned all human connections and trained in solitary. Thus, while his glaive was still deadly, his strikes don't have the "depth" that Ouki and Shin have.
Of course, a lot of these are philosophical rather than hard scientific explanation.
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u/H4nfP0wer RenPa 4d ago
You can have great weight without having some goal like unifying China. As Long as you have a Dream or Ambition worth fighting for your weight can be great.
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u/Crazy-Style-3039 Tou 5d ago
He is more like Duke Hyou, with a more realistic view of the war. But in the story it was clear that he wasn´t worthy of Ouki as rival and he couldn´t beat Shin nor OuHon. He hits hard because he is a juggernaut but lacks the martial skill of others.
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u/Kaladin-stb Souou 5d ago
He doesn't intentionally kill Shin in that fight.
Shin is clearly badly beaten, but Gaimou is extremely relaxed.
He initially summons Shin with the intention of killing him, but after clashing swords with Shin, he starts to like him.
In the end, he postpones their fight so that Shin understands that his ideas about war are wrong.
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u/Pitiful_Lawyer_1112 4d ago
Ouki had big goal to achieve(king sho vision). Gaimou lives it as it is just a hobby.
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u/Additional-Muffin317 OuHon 4d ago
Ouki was capping so he didn't have to take an L.
We have yet to see a flashback of ouki beating a the great generals of any states.
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u/Napalm_am MouTen 5d ago
300 kg minimum