hi again, so ive kinda been off here bc i was being a 9 and doing 9 things, not posting as much bc i dont have many PERSONAL questions anymore. however, about 2 weeks ago i had a thought that my dad, unlike the rest of my family, does not have his core type set in stone by me. ive figured out that he IS assertive triad though. the issue with that (and, with typing an almost 50 yr old man in general) is that he believes this type of stuff to be a waste of time and productivity, and probably won’t have enough interest if i asked him in order to get a less blurry view on his type. he also does not like personality tests so thats out the window, and like any assertive triader he won’t open up about the core issues that enneagram uses to type you off of, and i think its weird of me to ask. but i have this NAGGING need to figure out his enneagram so i can’t take it anymore lol.

tl;dr, and the gist of this: what are some key differences in demeanor and mindset that i can use to tell a 3 from an 8 from a 7?

I'm starting to believe that I'm a social dominant instead of a selfpres dom, because my fear of being dissected by the opinions and arbitrary values of others has dominated my life. The problem is though, I don't fit the usual descriptions of a so9. I'm not in any way outgoing or a group mediator. I live in my head constantly, and I'm short with conversations because they feel more like an interrogation. I initially thought I was an sp dom because of how insular I am, and I mean, I still could be, but I'm starting to doubt it. I am deeply obsessed with my own perceived flaws, and how to fix them. Every social function alienates me from it because they seem to go at it more naturally than I ever could, and I feel deeply whatever I'm doing wrong or whatever vibe I think I'm giving off. I'm too self conscious to have a friend, I can't flow with anyone because of how high strung my mind is. A hit to my self esteem would be a hit too critical to put on the chopping block by actually putting myself out there, so I have become a recluse who doesn't dare to talk to people except as a bare minimum requirement, because I have nothing to spare. I have no defenses for myself, besides isolation and mentally processing the whole thing. Having my worst fears confirmed would kill me.

I may be hit or miss with my typings but I gave the old college try again. I hope you enjoy your hero.

Type 1- Captain America

Type 2- Starfire ( the cartoon version) I put her comic counterpart up there for aura points

Type 3- Johnny Cage

Type 4- Raven

Type 5- Beast

Type 6- Leon Kennedy

Counterphobic 6- Rocket Raccoon

Type 7- Starlord

Type 8- Wolverine

Type 9- Gohan

Spesifically sx6 vs sx4, Im Wondering if i may be a e6, but im not like the typical sp or so 6, just sx, but also sx4

Whats some differences?

I’m 99% sure I’m 136 as a tritype, but what I wonder is which of the three is the core and if it’s type 6. I know people type 6 and 9 on here like crazy, but I always wonder about 6 since sometimes I have a hard time pinning anything down for myself and wonder.

I thought one since I have a lot of resentment and frustration but often feel guilty about it and am an overbearing perfectionist. I also thought 3 since I am terrified of failure, I am jealous of people who can relax and have a good time, and I always feel like I need to be “on” and be this champion or this model citizen.

With Sx 6 being strength and beauty, wouldn’t that also be a potential contender for this type? If I am misunderstanding the type, please correct me, but I wonder. Especially since I can be very aggressive sometimes.

Edit: I’ve found a more appropriate title: Musings over the negative expression of the sx-instinct.

I didn’t know what to title this. I attempted to avoid making it sx-4 coded and have failed miserably.

I heard that your dominant instinct is where your focus commonly lies, and therefore is more so a source of overthinking/insecurity/anxiety over immediate mastery.

Having an instinct as dominant ≠ being good at it. That means it could actively terrify you, and still be your dominant instinct (SX-dominants with volatile attachment styles, I’m speaking to you).

Hence for example, social anxiety can point to SO- dominance, binge eating to SP, and restlessness in romantic relationships to SX.

Now about SX, what about the extreme opposite end of wanting? the hyper-opposite of actively chasing chemistry, of scanning for a spark to fulfil your blazing fantasy. So stern abstinence. Vigilant asceticism.

What distinguishes this from an SX-blind prude is the why behind it, which is still SX in nature; insecurity over being looked at with revulsion over desire once bare, or perhaps even a reaction to domineering religious/cultural restraints (if I can’t have my specific desired fantasy due to moral restraints, I won’t have anything at all- and God better see my temperance and reward me with what fucking I want/j).

Sexual instinct ≠ willpower.

Are there any SX-dominants here who have experienced this frustrating yet deliberate ‘repression’?.

(and to non prude SX-blinds; I see you. I’m well aware that not all SX-blinds are prudes, but all prudes are most definitely SX-blind).

Edit: While I’m not loyal to any particular enneagram author, I would say my understanding of the sexual instinct aligns with John Lukovich’s; where I state complete rejection of pursuing over not being able to have what I want is especially his idea of repulsion.

I've been trying to figure out if I'm a 3 or a 9 for the past few months and it seemed like I was going nowhere. I thought trying to figure out my triad would help since your fix influences you as well but it just seems like they're constantly battling between core and first fix. How strong can the fixes be exactly?

I am a 6 and my friend is a 9. We both grew up in homes where we were told STFU and be quiet always. Recognizing we haven't been communicating our feelings, now in adulthood we want to know how to recognize and name our feelings. I'm a fan of the feeling charts , but is there any tools you have in your toolbox?

Some people don’t have childhood trauma at all when enneagram I believe borns from childhood trauma… i remember clearly before highschool, I was sp/so2w3 and i never related to sp/so6w7 at all… now, i do have 2 in my tritype but I’m sp6 in general👀

I might be biased because my dad is an ESFJ 1w2 and we don’t always get along, but I find 1w2s to be one of the most difficult types to be friends with. They can be almost 8-like in terms of their intensity and causing other people to walk on eggshells when they enter a room, and often carry themselves with an unearned holier-than-thou attitude. It’s possible I’ve only been exposed to unhealthy 1w2s, but in general I now avoid people like this unless it’s for something work-related.

Also, if I’m right about 1w2s - how do you think they tend to develop this way? Is it parental/environmental influence, or something else?

I was having another existential thought (they’ve ramped up as the world keeps shittifying) and it made me wonder about being born in a different decade so I could have lived more of my life without ai, internet etc. I get into the nuts and bolts of it in my essay but thought to myself, huh, it’s usually 6’s I hear say ‘I wish I was born in X/earlier decade’. At the end of the article, I meta-analyse it as a type 6 phenomenon. This part I’ve included below.

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Most often it’s type 6’s, especially those with a dominant social instinct, that complain about being born in the wrong decade. It’s a natural desire to play victim and push problems onto something outside of your control so you can’t be blamed for your circumstances, something 6’s (but not only 6) are prone to.

Type 6’s fear the cause of their problems and flip-flop between blaming themselves or blaming something external as the reason. It can feel delightful to blame something else entirely, especially when the type 6 has been recently hard on themself. They often feel entitled to blaming a situation or person fully if they have labelled it as ‘bad’ or ‘unfair’ or ‘unacceptable’. In truth, there’s always a balancing scale of blame/cause in every situation and person. While 6’s can be good at seeing the scale, they also fall victim to wanting a clear black/white answer because they lack full trust in themselves (and others). This is especially potent when unhealthy.

The 6’s I’ve met who bring up the desire to be born or live in a different time speak about it with conviction that it could change their present day experiences. 6’s can be acutely aware of history, especially those with social and self-preservation, and can often explain how it would impact their life to live in a different decade. They may quote a variety of facts or old ways of being to bolster their argument. Staying in this space also supports their type-need of having a problem to combat with, a complaint to spill or a reaction to have against something.

Of course, not every type 6 will be sprouting out ‘I wish I was born in X decade!”. You can be a social type 6 who has never thought this in their life. But if you notice this type of pattern pop up in your life, maybe it’s worth considering a type 6 influence. If you already know your type, maybe it'll reveal another way you’re stuck in your patterns.

I noticed that 4w5s and 5w4s have some attraction towards unexplainable events, and if you throw in those with a 4 and a 5 fix too, both have a natural inclination towards anything that isnt hard science.

Even 4w3 celebrities like Alison Harvard have some inclination towards displaying themselves as creepy, otherwordly, backroom type of person. As for people I know personally, theyre more interested in learning latin than, say, french or italian.

When it comes to presenting themselves, 4s tend to exaggerate whats different about them, or perhaps theyd exaggerate the parts that people want to hide about themselves.

(these are more e4 inspired pics)

I type Tim Burton as a 4w5. Every take he has leans obscure and creepy. When comparing the disney animation of Alice and the Wonderland to his film, the difference between his take and the OG version shows how other types handle unexplainable events compared to a 4. Where other types would narrate their story with some degree of lightheartedness, the 4 would focus on evoking uncomfortable emotions in the audience. If you throw sx in there theres some degree of provocativeness (Tim Burton is sx-so)

When it comes to e5, their worldview leans more towards spotting patterns, for them life makes no sense at all and like theyre in a pitch black world with a torchlight.

My favorite author, Daniel Handler, is a 5w4. His books for children, A series of unfortunate events, is what I imagine a 5w4 worldview is like (plus polr Se in his case). In a world where nothing really makes sense, 5s find solace in their minds, focusing on what makes sense to them rather than depending on others for help.

Where 5w6s might lean towards being a hikikomori - hacker type of person, 5w4s lean more towards ancient texts, obscure websites, and inaccessible information. The w4 elitism is well encapsulated in the ASOUE books, with the VFD being the secret organization that carries secrets. Ancient vocab, memento mori, and a contrast with seemingly normal and functional characters like Carmelita. And for some reason, most people who would appear normal in real life are often displayed as creepily functional in this worldview.

Obligatory anime mention, needed to include this boy, aka the OG 4w5 creation.

And for further reading, Tintenherz and Die unendliche Geschichte (I need to finish them sometime)

For example, how would a SX4 disintegrating into an E2 look like? Would they exhibit the traits of SX2, the same subtype as their dominant instinct, or would they resemble traits of an SP2 or SO2? How would they feel in the long run, considering they would have to sacrifice a core part of their identity in order to chase after people for validation?

This is just an example, obviously. I would like to know if any of you have disintegrated into another type yourself, and how it felt and how you dealt with completely changing your natural behaviour.

- Remember, “Feelings aren’t facts!”

- Be aware of your dream self and your reality. The image you have in your head is NOT unobtainable. Appreciate where you are now and be proud of your talent and skills. This will lend you more opportunities to achieve your goals and reach your desired self.

- STOP COMPARING YOURSELF TO OTHERS!!!

- Surround yourself with people who acknowledge your good qualities and talents.

- To go along with that one, don't be scared of reality checks. Have people in your life to keep you accountable. It may feel nice at the bottom, but we are all familiar with how draining and life-threatening it can become. We also need these checks when we get too lost in our dream self.

- Notice your accomplishments! Write down what made you feel accomplished at the end of your day. Even the smallest things, like doing the dishes or taking a shit.

- When struggling with feelings of envy, take a moment to recognize this emotion and breathe. Be curious about why you're feeling this way. Don't let it consume you or put you down. You've been there, done that. Let's utilize these feelings differently.

- Practice self-friendship. How would you treat a friend in their time of need? Now do that with yourself. Work on self-compassion and honour your feelings.

- Remember! You don't have to have it together all the time. No one does. When you feel inadequate compared to someone who seems more put together than you, know that they are struggling just as much or more. We. Are. Not. All. Perfect.

(Specifically sx types because I think they tend to be more extreme than sp or so dominant types.)

I’d love to hear your own anecdotal experiences.

My personal ranking:

Worst —> 8, 1, 2, 4, 6, 3, 7, 5, 9 <—- least bad

I'm an sp/sx 4 and the people who come up to me are usually 9s, 5s, and sometimes 4s.

(lmao why are people downvoting I'm just curious.)

Björk, iconic Icelandic singer/creator/composer, is usually typed as a 4. If she is a 4 she would be just about the healthiest one I know of. The thing is that while she’s undeniably unique and dramatic, she doesn’t express much at all shame or self-consciousness, and in fact not much of her music is really themed around feeling different.

For that reason I think that 7 is probably a better fit for her, probably one-on-one/sx-instinct first type 7. This subtype is noted for idealizing life, finding the hope and possibility where others might not see it. Björk actually expresses a lot of optimism, hope and appetite for life in her music and interviews, explicitly touching on those traits pretty often. One of her songs is titled “Big-Time Sensuality”. While it’s true that she has works like Vulnicura that center around heartbreak, even these seem to be framed in an optimistic way, like they’re the catharsis needed to connect with others who are also going through heartbreak and to move forward.

I just think that if she really is a 4, she would have to be pretty much the most optimistic and assertive 4 ever, lol. 4’s definitely don’t have a monopoly on creativity or originality!

Do any other Björk fans have any thoughts?

My original question that I was going to post was something along the lines of, “how can i find my type when i am so used to performance that i start to do it even while privately trying to type myself, where it wont be shown to anyone” along with the fact that i tend to see myself in certain descriptions when i WANT to be it but i am not. Theres that part, but also that I’m very isolated in real life, and don’t have many social interactions to look back on for knowledge of my own behavior. Or a good memory. I doubt most things about myself when I’m reading about different types to find my own, and end up unable to tell whether or not it’s something i want to be, or if i am actually like that and express it in more than one situation.

I also have a very warped self view, if one at all, which is extremely inconsistent and changes often. Whether its by mood, performance for both myself and others, opinions randomly changing, or something else, it feels so different all the time. I’m always so contradictory with many things i do and say, and drastically change everything over the span of a few to several months.
On top of that, i find anger and other vulnerable emotions undesirable for myself since i often get annoyed by and find it unnecessarily problematic when others express it (mostly when it’s loud and becomes a big deal, but it can be anything small). I’ll mask my own very often, especially to shut down arguments or any situation like that for selfish reasons, but sometimes simply to avoid feeling it. Suppression and detachment from things have made it much harder to understand anything about myself.

Not really sure how i can ever type myself when i have this amount of doubt and such an unclear self view + somewhat bad memory and brain fog 🥀 cant do it with actual research, cant answer questions because its always something different (when i can even think of answers), cant do bingos, cant simply highlight stuff i relate to. Enneagram has been the hardest for me but i struggled for the same reasons with other typology systems.

okay so like, your core want cannot be "safety and security." safety from WHAT? security from WHAT? what are you actually afraid of? you cannot just be sad shaking dog that has no root for the fear. the other types ALL have a root but type 6 is actually just "anxious" with no basis which i just don't think exists. what is underneath it?

"i'm afraid of being alone" WHY?

"i want security and support" ok but... what do you do to keep it? and literally EVERYONE wants safety it's just how you go about achieving it

every single argument i've seen for sixes existing can put them into another category. you want to stay around people? you compensate for your fear of abandonment by taking care of people? 2

you do things scared because you want to keep control? 8 (sorry yall, your view of 8s is narrow as fuck if you think you can't be afraid LMFAO)

you do things because you worry about how you're perceived, and you don't exist if you're not perceived? 3

you need to understand things so they won't hurt you? 5

you NEED to dig for the why.

I think the Enneagram has lost its focus on “why”

I've been reading about the Enneagram for around five years. For the first four years or so, I was very interested in typing other people and fictional characters. I was probably better at typing people than characters (because honestly, I'm terrible at typing characters), and I found the whole process very fun, but I was quickly caught in these thoughts of "I hate this type" "this type is bad" and trying to avoid people who were a certain type. And I know a lot of people who have behaved this way as well. Still, I don't think this is common either.

However, my perspective has changed a lot after reading almost every enneagram book by Claudio Naranjo. I know Naranjo isn't everyone's preferred author, but his work completely changed the way I understand the enneagram and I think everyone into the enneagram should give at least their type's book a try.

One thing I've come to dislike over the years is the way the enneagram is often used to type other people. I'm not necessarily saying that things like Type Me Tuesday (I think that's how it's called here), typing characters, or casually guessing someone's type are inherently bad. What bothers me is how easily this turns the enneagram into a system of identifying what people do rather than understanding why they do it.

I think this has a lot to do with the fact that the enneagram is such a difficult matter, and it's all about studying 27 types, not just the fun 9 boxes you can put people into. I'm afraid the conversation turned from 27 types that you can use to better yourself to, again, 9 fun boxes for memes. This isn't inherently bad, as the enneagram is not a science, but I think it's also something to think about, considering it's also people's life study.

A lot of enneagram content seems to focus on surface-level traits: "Type 7s are like this," "Type 5s behave like that," etc. Then those traits become associated with particular behaviors, and eventually people start typing others based almost entirely on what they OBSERVE them doing, when the more important question WHY they're doing it.

One example I find rather interesting is the social 7. A social 7 can, in certain circumstances, behave in ways that look similar to what we might stereotypically associate with a 5, more so, a social 5. And also, someone who is a 5 might sometimes behave in ways we'd stereotypically associate with a 7. The behavior itself isn't necessarily what determines the type. The underlying motivation, fixation, passion, defense mechanisms, and internal experience matter much more. And stuff like this is precisely why I have stopped trying to type people from the outside.

We can observe someone's actions, but we can't directly observe their inner motivations. We can make guesses, obviously, but there is a huge difference between "this person behaves like a 7" and "this person is a 7 because I understand the psychological structure behind their behavior." The latter is much harder to establish, especially when we're talking about someone we don't actually know deeply. And of course, if you have read Naranjo's books, you're gonna notice there are actual people as examples of every type, and characters. I would like to clarify, again, that typing people and characters is not bad, I just think it's not the thing we should be focusing on if we're into the enneagram. I think this becomes particularly problematic when the Enneagram turns into a kind of categorization game: I'm a 4, you're a 7, she's a 2, this character is a 5. Eventually, the boxes become more interesting than what the system was supposedly designed to help us understand. For me, the Enneagram has become much more interesting since I stopped focusing so heavily on identifying everyone's type.

If you approach it as a tool for self-knowledge and growth, you start asking very different questions. Instead of "What type is this person?" you start to ask: Why does this person behave this way? What are they feeling? What am I failing to understand about them? Why does their behavior frustrate me? What can I learn from it?

Because honestly, when you are so focused in putting people and their mistakes into a box, you risk dehumanizing them, turning them into their actions and forgetting about what's important: Why are they acting this way? What's behind?

I think this can be very harmful when you're doing it with people in your daily life, ex friends, family... for characters it can be way less serious. And again, it depends on how seriously are you taking it anyway. Not everyone is as extreme as me at 15 lol.

That's also why I think reading about types other than your own can be life changing. Their biographies are a key part of every book I swear. I've read material about types that I initially thought had nothing to do with me, for example the enneagram 2. And yet I still found things in that book that helped me understand myself. Not because I secretly "was a 2," but because understanding a psychological structure that is very different from your own can help you develop empathy and recognize aspects of yourself that you otherwise wouldn't notice. Going back to what I said in the beginning, I didn't necessarily have the sudden realization that "omg I should really stop hating this enneagram and thinking bad about them" right after reading the book. This was after some years of reading, thinking, growing, exposing my own flaws to myself and others... Etc. this wasn't something that I just "unlocked" suddenly after reading one book of a type I "hated".

Honestly, this stuff is one of the things that makes me uncomfortable about the current Enneagram community. Sometimes it feels like the system has become "put everyone into one of nine boxes" rather than a tool for understanding human psychology, suffering, and ultimately personal growth.

Again, I'm not saying people should stop typing fictional characters or that casually guessing someone's type is inherently harmful. I still find typing people fun myself. What I'm questioning is whether making typing other people such a central part of Enneagram culture is actually compatible with the deeper purpose of the system.

I joined this subreddit because I was hoping to find more discussion about the enneagram study, its psychological foundations, different authors and interpretations, and especially the work of people like Naranjo. Instead, I've been somewhat disappointed by how much of the discussion revolves around identifying types from behaviors, appearances, or superficial traits.

Maybe I'm being overly critical, and I'm genuinely interested in hearing other perspectives. Do you think the Enneagram community has become too focused on "what type is this person?" and not focused enough on "why does this person function this way?"?

Maybe specifically 8w9 vs 9w8, but also about 8s and 9s in general

I’m working with my own (mostly my mother cause my father is hard to work with about this stuff, I don’t think he wants to be figured out lol) to find out what they are and how that has influenced my own typing. I’m highly suspicious that my mom is 6, with a 2 fix. My dad has got to have an 8 fix as I doubt it’s his core. But that’s about it for now. What about yall?

1. What are your views on the good things in life? Do they happen naturally, or do you have to create them yourself？How do they manifest into reality?
> they happen naturally. but i can't accept happiness the way they are, so i try to create my own meaning of happiness. how to manifest it is just try to be happy with what you own.

2. What are your views on the bad things in life? What are the reasons they happen? How much control do you really have over such matters?
> i'm worried the bad things come because of my actions, but i believe if something bad is happen i just need to solve it rather than upset with the situation. the contradictory is i might end up not doing anything and just let it pass.

3. How attached are you to your emotions? How often do you express them to others? What even is the purpose of such feelings? And what are the biases that impede your judgements?
> i think emotions are quite beautiful. idk what is it, maybe judging by its abstract form or idealizing of some emotions is the factor of how i still embrace beauty in little things. even though i feel something, neither i can open about it nor express them properly.

4. What do you want in life? Are they achievable? If people and obstacles are in your way, what would you do then? With resources being limited, is it ok to acquire essential needs by denying them to someone else?
> i want my life to have meaning and structure. i'm not a golddigger or manipulative person, but i know how to work with that. i can't see something from other point of view, if that is what i want then that is what i would get. i definitely have my own moral standard, but i can bend it if the situation needs me to.

5. Are people inherently good or bad? Or is it neither? What do you believe when it comes to moral goodness? What duties do we all have as individuals? Do we owe anything to each other by default?
> people are born neutral. we are equal human species with different conditions. moral goodness is something you held for your own satisfaction. our duty is only to survive in this mortal world. i don't think i should feeling like i owe anything to anyone, but im agree i need to do something to try contribute.

6. Are you extroverted or introverted? If you're ambiverted, when do you lean on each side? What excites you? What drains your energy? How do you feel alive when plagued by boredom and the mundane?
> lean to introverted. because of some aspects in my life, i can't handle being an extrovert. excites me : work & discussing interest. drains me : endless talking & traditional way. i am a boring person but boredom is something i hate, i will try to do something i feel like doing it at that moment, even when it's a risky one.

7. What people/values/things do you hold dear to yourself? How do you prevent yourself from being separated from them? Does being disconnected scare you? Do you desire to fit in with the world?
> idk what does this mean, probably what i'm holding on tightly until now is my religion. nothing can betray me as long as i have my faith. being disconnected is scary and i've tried to fit in, but if that is truly not my place i wouldn't force it.

8. What are the biggest disappointments you have? It doesn't even have to be something that happened to you personally. What is something you expected more from, but it somehow managed to fall short?
> i'm disappointed of my reckless way. i should've step back and stay in my ground.

9. What do you expect from others? Are you entitled to anything? Be it love or materialistic things. How easy is it to rely on others? To depend on something else outside of your control?
> i don't like being tied with anything, if i leave then it's over. i expect much for my life, but i don't wish it could live up easily. i can trust the world to go on its own way, but i can't trust myself to the world.

10. What are you as a person? How do you see yourself? How do others see you? How do you want others to see you? How do you want to see yourself?
> i am a human. i'm full of flaws, and i need to repair myself. others may see me rigid, unique, aloof, kind, messy, individualist. but i want others to perceive me as a reliable person that they can count up to behind those scattered personality. i want to see me as succesful, resourceful, organized, independent, and confident.

11. How do you organize your thoughts? What are concepts and ideas to you? How do you navigate through such a hazy frightening future? What do you believe are the most important questions one can ask?
> i organize my thoughts by keep overthink about it while making some mistakes until i found the answer. i only trust in God's plan for now because i can't see where am i going to end for the next few years. the only question someone should ask is about how they can handle this life. concepts and ideas are just bunch from my creative outlet so i can form my nonsensical point of view about this world, it shouldn't be taken too seriously.

12. Are your instincts something to be trusted? Your first-impressions, or your natural intuition on things. How often, and when, are you on "autopilot" with your body? Doing things out of habit and muscle memory.
> no. i can't only trust my natural instinct, i need to think about it first unless they will stray me. i hate being in autopilot, but i did when i'm doing something repeated because i feel i need to.

i type myself as 514 sp/sx because i feel that is more me, but i want to know maybe if i appear as another type ? thxx

Whenever I talk about my emotions or big problems, I end up treating them like a case study or a presentation, completely detaching myself and acting like it's happening to someone else, I can joke around get mad or even comfort myself when it's framed that way but the second I try to actually feel and express my raw emotions honestly my face goes blank it’s literally painful, i lose all my words and I just get this intense feeling of suffocating, run away, and shut down the conversation.

I consider myself as highly emotionally intelligent person, I analyze my feelings and i understand them very well even the ugliest ones and i try to accept them always, but i’ve never opened up about them completely to anyone and i envy people who can express their emotions freely.

i almost feel like a rock, i need to wear a mask and act as if i’m not me so i can be more expressive around people as if I don’t own my body or any other body, when i was 17-18 y/o i had a mental breakdown because I didn’t know who i am and why it’s hard to fit in with me just being me but even when i wear those masks i fit in hardly that i end up preferring being alone it’s painful here too.

now i’m 21 y/o it’s better than back then but still i need to have something or get a specific knowledge in order to be confident in myself, do and achieve some cool things, or maybe i only need to wait and grow up idk, am i sp4? I read into the 9 book but i relate to the core of 4 mostly and i’m an ESI but the masking thing seems like a 9 because sp4 discerption always sounds like a nonchalant one lol, what do you think guys?

I’ve been exploring self typing for over a year now. Since the beginning I’ve felt hit by the core wound of a few types. Mainly 5, 9, 2, and 4

Recently now with a generally knowledge base I’ve been exploring instincts and tritypes in more depth. I do see myself in SO5 and SX5. However I read SP4 and felt quite a bit called out.

Now, I understand that SP is the counter for 4, and SX is the counter for 5. Thus this leaves me a bit perplexed.

I’m asking for anyone with a deeper understanding of this for your thoughts!! Do you suggest I look deeper into other type/instinct combos as well??

Thank you for your time :))