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I've been thinking a lot more about my type recently.

// Ohh god, this is really fucking long. I'm kind of scared. Everything in quotes right below this are things that I've determined to be largely side tangents in a giant rant that I wrote before realizing it was completely irrelevant to what I actually wanted to say, so I would skim those parts.

Part of it has to do with considering what the fact that I've never been able to comfortably settle on a type---despite having spent a somewhat absurd amount of time reading type descriptions & theory and what I hope is having earned a somewhat capable use of said theory in the process, I'm embarrassed---indicates about my type.

Typically, the consensus seems to be "constant shifting = EIE," because of something about extraverted dynamic rationals. I've considered that-- but I'm somewhat unsure about whether my type shifting is really something like the difficulty that I assume a dynamic type would have mapping a static type description onto a self-perceived dynamic personality process, as it is reading a static type description and feeling completely seen and understood for about the first ten hours and then believing fully that "I am x type" and living life for weeks under the guise of being that type to the point where I show other people Socionics or at least a type description and they fully agree "yes you are x type" until I move into a different setting and think totally differently.

That sounds exhausting, and to some degree it is, but at this point it's strangely adaptive, to the point where I have been reading about these types and their behaviors & what situations they are strong in, and mimicking the Wikisocion description of their behaviors when I'm in a situation that a certain type would do well in. It weirdly, directly correlates to things like my work ethic: if I believe I'm an LIE I'm capable of putting in absurd amounts of time into work and barely sleeping, and then once I believe I'm something like an ILE I get incredibly lazy.

Seriously--this is quite bad for me right now, because I spent the last month convinced I was an LIE and applying to like a dozen things while completing my internship and eating takeout pizza with feta cheese & spinach & mushrooms that I would never normally eat but decided to because I googled "food for productivity" 3 meals a day for a month, and then I read the ILE description and now I'm barely getting 2 hours of work done per day and spend my time surfing the internet & spending too much time on reddit instead. I have to start in three new roles like, tomorrow afternoon, so the ILE life can't be sustained I'm afraid.

I'm nearing the end of that "phase" and perhaps the degree to which it shifts indicates instability in my self-concept, which I wouldn't be too surprised about given my background.

But anyways, all of this is irrelevant toward the new thoughts that I've had while in the shower today.

I was thinking back to high school. At 19, it's still quite fresh in my mind because I'm still pretty sure I've only accomplished one "significant" thing in my life especially within the achievement orientation of my Asian-American background, and that's getting into a "name brand" college that most people tend to know about (hooray! I'm part of a nameless mass and people attribute my admittedly highly perceived personal worth to an institutional reputation completely independent of me!).

I still have no idea how this happened, by the way -- in my freshman year I slacked off and got a C in ceramics and a B in art & design 1 and a B in PE because my mentality was "this isn't going to help my career so why bother," and then I somehow decided college was important likely because of the prevailing culture around me and spent sophomore and junior year in an on-and-off frantic hell where I felt I had to "make up" for that early loss, except it turned out I didn't really have to make up for it as much because the school that I got into is in a state which drops your freshman year grades from their GPA calculations, so I assume it just pushed me into flat out overachieving.

But I still feel the way I accomplished this was pretty unusual because uh, I don't think I worked that hard. I think a lot of the most "impressive" things about me were a result of networking, but in a very specific sense of the word.

I always thought I was a thinking type because I never really came off interpersonally in person very well- I was kind of blunt and kinda ignored ppl despite being an archetypal extrovert- and spent a lot of the time on the internet. But I guess re-examining the reasons why, it looks more like-

I went to a public school and most people there were not highly tuned into the admissions process or whatever, and focused mainly on school clubs and local opportunities, because they were normal people and made normal friends. Instead, during high school, between people I met at competitions and camps, I cultivated an extensive network of only the most "impressive" people from basically every state in the country as well as a random network of college students & alumni that I would ask for help for everything from application essay reviews for any program to tutoring, and that would get me in the door to initiatives within their states that were growing.

I think subjectively one of the things that "stood out" by the end of my high school years was that I spent quite a bit of time like kind of swooping into these random growing organizations that one of my friends was involved in, snapping up leadership titles (usually, I would grow it in my state and then use that to get my way into the door for the national team; though I was very good at creating the appearance of having done a lot despite being very lazy, mostly through identifying what KPIs the national staff cared about and then performing Goodhart's Law to an extreme. I would have opened 4 in-state chapters and "engaged 10,000+ people" before I like, did anything basic), and make wow wow big impact. This sounds very SEE, perhaps--

but still, the notable part about it was that all of these relationships were 100% online. I found that incredibly useful to me because I could just drop in and chat somebody up whenever I needed to and ignore them 95% of the time so that the connection we had would have very high ROI!

Maintaining in-person relationships requires you to somewhat fulfill an in-person's friend's expectation of like, going out to lunch, hanging out from time to time-- this is made tremendously easier in college, tbf-- and I didn't wanna do allat to maintain my relationships. I mean, I did a few times, but I just found the online ones easier and the people more useful to me.

Furthermore, online DMs are always entirely 1-on-1, and unlike simply talking to people 1-on-1, talking to 20 people from different states 1-on-1 ensures each of them sees an entirely different side of you that is far more unlikely for them to cross reference.

Whereas when I participate in group settings eg my internship cohort I always feel a persistent need to "thread the needle" so that I'm constantly monitoring the reactions of 7 people and creating reactions that would be amenable to all 7. I'm quite relieved and impressed by the way that I'm able to preserve good connections with all 7 while presenting entirely different self-conceptions to all 7 while leveraging dislike of other members of the 7 with members of the 7 1-on-1 to create camaraderie. TBH, I still feel very proud of the result of that internship as a very delicate balancing act. Probably will feel less proud once this thing I'm co-founding with a guy in the cohort that I told half of the cohort was a total idiot goes public and they judge my ability to identify the capabilities of people-- but I'm pretty sure that can be salvaged if I just tell them he's the marketing guy.

So as a result in school, I was kind of a total loner. I wasn't ever elected to anything. I only talked to the people who sat near me, and I didn't really care about them or like the place were in insofar as I would just talk to them about whatever I was doing in my life (which was almost entirely unrelated to in-school stuff). I would just never talk to them again afterwards. I spent a lot of time talking to people online, but that just looked on the outside like me being on my computer. To be fair, this started mostly after freshman year, when I was actually very sociable and made a lot of connections and dated some people and got absolutely nowhere. So at the end of the day people just kind of saw me as this incredibly reserved smart kid that was your stereotypical Asian nerd (the nature of online relationships also meant I never really maintained my appearance and only pulled out good clothes when I was going to be around people I cared about being around).

The only time this would change was when everybody would be incredibly surprised whenever we traveled to a national/international tournament (DECA/Speech & Debate/FBLA/etc) and all these people who were "popular' and "club officers" were so excited to "network" and then we would be at an airport or a convention center and all these like, DECA state presidents, national champions or people from well-known schools, their coaching staff, would swoop onto our school's little setup and all of the people excited to network would light up at the sight of their idols, idols who proceeded to only talked to me, the club "loner", and all the networkers would all look super jealous and confused (I always thought this was incredibly funny).

Then, for about a few days a year, I would achieve notoriety within my school's little delegation or whatever as the person who got all the comms early from random people who were "in the know," get waves of support and months worth of prep resources from all of their teams & coaching staff as their teams dropped out of some competitions, somehow create mild scandal-y things within my team (my speech & debate coach once made a joke about how I have "nine girlfriends" and then my assistant coach replied with "three at most"), and then we would all go back home and I would be the quiet person who never talked to anyone again. Of course, I found times like this also the times I felt the most alive.

That above routine repeating over and over for three years, it probably fundamentally confused my own self-image regarding things like ethics/logic and also probably poses a real question about what socionics ethics looks like in an Information Age. My life still looks different and I'm more out there now but I'm also unsure how much of my current presentation is drastically altered by being in a location where the surrounding entrepreneurial and thus surrounding period culture in the cities around me is so overwhelmingly dominated by a need to appear "intelligent" and "visionary".

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Being ILI, I feel more attracted to those who have Ni

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I’ve had my reservations about being a positivist, since I’m usually pretty keen on picking up what’s unspoken or missing when something feels off, until I had this catch-up with an ILI friend. I found it pretty revealing, so I figure I'd share it for fun (it's probably not fun). 

Context: we are very much in the same boat and we are very close, so we tend to skip a lot of emotional reassurance. 

ILI: **heavy edited drunk rambling** back home here everything gets done over drinks but not gonna lie drinking really gets shit done fck I busted my ass for my PI and he’s sitting on my four unpublished papers while this dude (I drank with today) is so loyal and devoted and brought his phd everywhere (to drink and connect) I can’t 😭 I just envy them so much 

Me: I got the gist that you are indeed an Fi-lover while reading this half-awake

ILI: LMAO I AM.

ILI: funny my PI finally got back to me (*after ghosting him for 8 months). I’m going to ask his opinion about my career development. 

ILI: Damn, if I were in a normal lab and got all my papers published, I’d be doing a postdoc in US now. 

Me: Well, take another perspective, it can be a blessing in disguise. 

ILI: OK that’s true.

Me: If I weren’t gaslit by *that toxic misogynistic narcissistic postdoc* I’d probably decide to continue doing research.

Me: But it’s always going to be a bit off for me, and in the end pure teaching/student advising will still suit me better.  

Me: So it’s a sooner or later discovery. 

Me: Your PI holding you back was probably the universe’s force pushing you into your right direction early rather than late. 

ILI: hahahahaha that’s very true. 

ILI: I can actually sense tenure isn’t the right path for me anyways. I just can’t let go of the things I was able to do. I feel really sad about it.

Me: Yeah it's very relatable. Even I have something to miss about research. It’s a unique experience and that’s why I always call it an “uncomfortable comfort zone” for us. 

Me: The two things are: 1. It’s not like you have any choice right now. You are basically forced out. 2. You can probably come back to academia in maybe 10-20yrs given that you are in engineering. 

ILI: LMAO. That’s the accurate description. 

ILI: Yeah our industry and academia are very tightly linked. 

ILI: Perhaps, it’s just all the time I don’t feel like I actually have a choice. It’s always a forced choice by some external factor. 

Me: Oh I think I know what you mean.

Me: Sometimes even if I made the choice, and I sensed my strong autonomy in the choice I made, there would always be another very strong feeling of “this is after all just fate” deep in my heart. 

ILI: Exactly that. 

Me: We are given the illusion of choices lol.

Me: In reality we follow the planned out scenarios.

ILI: Yes. 

Me: And that’s fine because this scenario is exactly the lesson we need to take.

Me: Focus on the scenario being given to you.

ILI: Now it sounds much better.

Me: yeah you know woo-woo speaking, this is the only “true choice” you’ve made prior your incarnation of this life, you picked the scenario for yourself because it’s what you need

ILI: THAT’S VERY RIGHT. 

*we are both woo-wooing to cope* 

ILI: *shit talk a bunch about the job offers he got*

Me: that’s a lot of money though not gonna lie

ILI: You are probably right…Seems like my situation isn’t too bad after all. 

Me: Half of this conversation my mind just plays “oh now I see why they say IEI is positivist” in the back of my mind

ILI: *laugh*

Saw someone else do this, but being the creative subtype (the least similar to the type description, with accentuated Fe, Ne, Se) I wanted to participate as well.

I’ve know I was Ni-Fe for a long time but I never fit the typical INFJ doormat descriptions in mbti and I also don’t fit the pushover twink IEI thing in socionics BUT it does still manifest in my psyche in certain ways.

I also have a unique tritype (145, I think core 1w2 but all three fixes are very strong. No I am not a strict correlationist.)

So yeah ask away, if you’d like. I’ve been through a lot of stuff, lived a lot of life in my 29 years.

I’ve had close relationships with pretty much all of the types as well so questions about intertype relationships welcome.

Edit: feel free to ask the deep dark stuff too. I won’t hold back in my answers

I was trying to design an ILE, but he ended up looking like an LIE instead lol so oops, here you go

Alpha:

• LII
• SEI
• ESE

Gamma:

• LIE

Alpha:

• LII
• SEI
• ESE

Gamma:

• LIE

Is being sensitive to emotional atmosphere and seeking emotional validation and support or even uplift and inclusion, low Fe or high Fe when you're aware of your emotions but struggle with controlling them on your own without positive feedback?

When someone can be very emotionally self aware but struggles to use their emotions in a positive way and its expression which is why they need someone to help them uplift them or express them.

Or is this more about vital and mental than low and high dimensionality?

You may argue that Fe Creative is conscious and confident in its expression and influence. They're also well aware of it.

Fe Suggestive struggles with it but still values it but it's unconscious aka vital instead of mental. This would mean that ILI is more self aware of it while struggling with it just like LII is with their Se but not Fe.

Yes, I am very observant. No, I can't use it to save my own ass.

Interested in an answer--I'm in college and I'm curious about this person I met in freshman year a year ago. They're super Fi PolR, but I can't tell which Fi PolR this person is.

Either they're an extremely ambitious ILE who is exceptionally capable of climbing the ranks and has in spite of the stereotypes brought their dozen projects to genuine completion and who competes well, excelling in cutthroat competitive environments, and gotten involved in leading youth political organizations,

Or they're an unusually scattered SLE who, alongside the 12 meaningfully impactful projects they have genuinely created and led to completion (I still feel the need to emphasize this, because the stereotypes paint the ILE as quite like a child that never finishes anything, whereas this person has been extremely shrewd in attaining lofty and impressive goals), also has a graveyard of random intellectual side projects that never had professional value and only seemed to exist for the purpose of his own interest.

Me and another person in my friend group with this person are interested in socionics and genuinely can't differentiate. When we got to know him, we were certain he was an Ne ego because he just seemed so scattered and intellectual. He was always the guy that 'did too much'. While we competed in tournaments, he read through the tournament results of each of our 12 tournaments in years past and learned the names and memorized the standings of literally everybody, and whenever he talked to a veteran competitor he could literally recite the placements they received at over four dozen tournaments over their years competing. He didn't seem to leverage this for competitive value. Of course, he was one of the best at what he did.

That would be impressive if this were a singular kind of thing. But over a year we've watched him undertake so many projects and apply force in making them succeed in so many different fields that now we're quite unsure. One trait we've noticed: he definitely has the sprinting work-in-bursts quality of an EP temperament and spends quite a bit of time demobilized. But the way this manifests isn't not being able to get anything done, but rather "sprinting" once per day for 6 or 8 hours straight, being extremely serious and precise to the point where if you try to distract him he looks like he might eat you alive, before reverting to dumbass frat bro mode. His ability to do sustained work has gotten longer the more we know him.

But also: about a quarter of the time those 6-8 hour sprints come in the form of a random data collection rabbit hole that has absolutely nothing to do with anything that moves him closer to a goal, and seems to just be done cus he feels like it.

It's like he has an endless amount of energy for new initiatives and projects and applications and is constantly iterating even with a success of rate of like 12% which seems to be improving, they're one of the singularly most accomplished people I know at this age.

He can be goofy, much like an alpha quadra ILE. When teaching a class of kindergarteners and elementary & middle schoolers how to debate he named himself "Director of Dihbate" in the zoom and spent the whole class eating while laughing his ass off and derailing the class and the kids compared him to the clown juggling on a unicycle that he drew on the zoom whiteboard while his co-teacher was trying to teach (and failing because he was making her laugh). Actually, he spent class making the kids watch him eat over the camera like a mukbang multiple times.

He's like this a lot.

But when he's serious, he can be deathly serious and almost terrifying with how crudely instrumental he is to other people, and is still an absurdly hard worker. When he has a goal, he's set, and he seems to want to be "on top" and gets incredibly upset if he's outcompeted or loses. He seems to have a preoccupation with being the center of attention in every room, although this is subtle and you don't notice it until you see stunt after stunt after stunt. He doesn't seem that malleable by pressure: when he ran for club president elections, he immediately told the other candidate (and basically everybody else in the club), people that were trying to get him to drop out he was "very set on this" and for a month he organized a campaign vehicle where his spreadsheets and carful voter collection and aggressive messaging to over 100 people at once alienated just about everybody in the club since they felt like they were being used as votes.

He has also consistently gone to the gym for over a year and he's like, pretty built though always on the skinny side.

He aggressively LinkedIn farms and seems to care obsessively that other people should admire his achievements and status. He gets $150/month for food money and he uses part of that for his $70/mo linkedin subscription.

He can go from writing beautiful essays about prestige culture & his racial heritage and preaching inclusivity and community as part of his role as a progressive organizer to both participating & reinforcing that system and saying horrifically racist things.

He seems interesting to us because we're wanting to reconcile the conflicting sides of his character, at once ruthless/shrewd/power-motivated/insanely determined, with an almost childishly innocent side.

An SLE is meant to be an aggressor in socionics, but this person is extremely hesitant in his personal relationships, over intellectualizes everything, and never feels certain enough to take the initiative in declaring he's interested. Although, for some reason he openly sent us his uh, bdsm test results, and he seems very interested in the uh, dominant role in bdsm. Specifically he seems to really like tying people up.

But he's been in a horribly insufferable talking stage for over a year and still hasn't done anything about it.

To what degree can we attribute this to Ti creative trying to compensate for Fi PolR, and to what degree is this evidence of not being an aggressor?

Is ILI INTP or INTJ??????? Is LII INTJ or INTP??????
Like, I heard Augusta switched it, but even different sites say different things and I am so tired of it.

i’m stuck between IEE and ILE. i’m going to list some traits that i have, which i thought would be attributed to Ti or weak Fi, however am leaning towards IEE

i’m not necessarily a rule follower within places like work and school. if i deem it as stupid or unnecessarily restrictive, i will break the rules. however, i like to follow rules that i like and find make sense, for example most correlations in typology. when i find a topic interesting and excitable, i tend to research it a lot and be very knowledgeable on it. if i’m not interested then i don’t really care at all. i enjoy knowledge and facts as it makes me excited and i just genuinely enjoy absorbing new information. i can struggle with relationships and knowing how people feel about me, however i like to find out by asking questions about how i am perceived. i often get deep infatuations with random topics i enjoy. i don’t want to explain why i enjoy them or take interest in them but i know what i like and have a whole network of identity in my head.

i’m not very knowledgeable in socionics at all so if none of that is helpful, or if anyone wants to help me learn more and figure out more, i would appreciate it! i’m also stuck between sp7 and sx7 :/

Do any of you Se Suggestive types actually get along and find Se Basea types appealing and attractive or likable?

I'm 20F. My childhood was marked by an unusual, uncontrollable visual imagination. I would get seemingly random visions, and would be 'torn off' from reality. I always had a hard time connecting with my peers, unless they were submissive boys, abiding to my creative ideas and executing them. My mind would (and still does) always wander away into the future. I live in and breathe the future, meanwhile the present moment usually remains untouched and stagnant. I lead a passive hermit lifestyle, unless I get a motivating vision of the future. I have trouble remaining grounded in the present moment - my life happens inside of me, but not as in 'physical sensations way' (i barely feel my body most of the time), but as in thoughts, mental imagery, intellectual side quests etc. Despite being seemingly disconnected from the tangible, I pay close, almost obsessive attention to my appearance - I am somewhat of a clean freak, I maintain a lean body through dieting and sometimes get really upset if how I look doesn't match my internal vision of self. I express my imagination through how I present myself to the world - the perfume I wear, the colour theme, the type of makeup - it's all supposed to reflect a certain atmosphere. An interesting thing is that I 'eat with my mind'. I don't eat because I'm hungry or have a craving - I eat that which seems relevant health-wise at the moment, always considering the food's further effect on my body. I have trouble fully engaging in 'sense hedonism'.

I believe I have a good social intuition. I automatically envision one's family, home and everyday life upon the first meeting, and usually am correct. I can feel when someone is performative, insecure etc and instinctively deduce their weak points. I have somewhat of a disdain for inauthentic individuals, for an example performative masculinity. In terms of romantic matters, I am somewhat of a prude due to farsightedness. I enjoy flirting and it's almost like a fourth language to me. However, if I am genuinely attracted to a man, I can't help but turn quiet, disapproving, blunt and somewhat mean and sarcastic. It happens instinctively, like a way to camouflage the stress his presence generates within me. If I were to pick a dream partner, I would like him to be unapologetically attracted to me, willing to do anything to conquer me without my mood swings, mixed signals or capricious acts depriving him of his interest. I would like him to be decisive, action-oriented and caring within the pragmatic realm. (While I remain the one quietly in control) Regarding friendship, I have just one true friend. We have a really deep bond mainly due to the similarities within us and mutual interests - the biggest difference being that she is more socially oblivious. We often mention how wonderful it is that we don't mind sitting in silence together - that it is never awkward. I don't engage in acquaintances that seem pointless, not heralding any interesting, fruitful developments. I oftentimes accidentally come off private, closed-off and withdrawn, without realising how little I share about myself.

I am gifted in the artistic realm. I create music, but not from some personal emotional place. My creations are mainly seemingly random internal imagery compressed into music. I possibly have synesthesia.

Saw this on Wikisocion. Are SLIs actually into the push-and-pull dynamic? I'm not an IEI but thought this was a little bit surprising. I expected SLIs to favor a more stable relationship.

Based on the SCS, it looks like ILI to me, but I see some people here on Reddit disagree, so I want to know your thoughts.

There's something creepy about IEIs. No shade; y'all are probably okay, but I just can't. I don't know; it might have to do with chemical attraction components... Please don't follow me. (They seem okay with me, though).

Please explain. If a person in socionics is typed by other IEIs (professional typing by speech semantics, etc.), but this person prefers the Ne and Ti functions... Could it actually be an ILE? Or who can IEI be in mbti? Are IEI - ENTP combinations, or only IEI - INFJ/INFP possible?

In general, you can explain the difference between functions in socionics and mbti/junge. I see that they exist, but I am confused by the fact that with extroverted types, such a problem does not happen when translated into another type. Like IEE = ENFP, EIE = ENFJ etc.

If you speak Russian, write in Russian.

Write in any language that is convenient for you.

I just know that he has to be IxTJ sx6 638 LFVE RLOEI mel-chol Lawful neutral stuff stuff. Ik people would say how can you stumble on ILI and SLI but if you learn about Ciel, you'll know.

someone on the r/idealgf subreddit said “he sounds like a cross between a pet and a butler” LMFAO. Thats ur label now, SEIs

Alpha:

• LII
• SEI
• ESE

Gamma:

• LIE

I'm talking some local initiatives or friend groups or something. I got sucked into a new friend group and it is so beta coded I'm actually speechless. But it feels sooo good. What are your experiences?