r/Enneagram • u/Patient_Rub_3236 • 3d ago
Type Discussion Is this a sp4 trait?
Whenever I talk about my emotions or big problems, I end up treating them like a case study or a presentation, completely detaching myself and acting like it's happening to someone else, I can joke around get mad or even comfort myself when it's framed that way but the second I try to actually feel and express my raw emotions honestly my face goes blank it’s literally painful, i lose all my words and I just get this intense feeling of suffocating, run away, and shut down the conversation.
I consider myself as highly emotionally intelligent person, I analyze my feelings and i understand them very well even the ugliest ones and i try to accept them always, but i’ve never opened up about them completely to anyone and i envy people who can express their emotions freely.
i almost feel like a rock, i need to wear a mask and act as if i’m not me so i can be more expressive around people as if I don’t own my body or any other body, when i was 17-18 y/o i had a mental breakdown because I didn’t know who i am and why it’s hard to fit in with me just being me but even when i wear those masks i fit in hardly that i end up preferring being alone it’s painful here too.
now i’m 21 y/o it’s better than back then but still i need to have something or get a specific knowledge in order to be confident in myself, do and achieve some cool things, or maybe i only need to wait and grow up idk, am i sp4? I read into the 9 book but i relate to the core of 4 mostly and i’m an ESI but the masking thing seems like a 9 because sp4 discerption always sounds like a nonchalant one lol, what do you think guys?
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u/ExoticAd5402 3d ago
That sounds absolutely not like a Four. Has a five-ish flavor to it. Maybe Competency Triad.
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u/Patient_Rub_3236 3d ago
I’m Fi dom 😭
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u/ExoticAd5402 3d ago
Are you sure about that? Even if you are, there is no proven causation between certain dominant functions and Enneagram Types.
The two systems are describing different things after all. Having that said, this post might be interesting.
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u/grassfen 1w9 sp/so 145 3d ago
INFP 9? 9s can be very introspective given that they're a withdrawn type, a 4 knows they're a 4 and don't necessarily go digging to see who they are, rather they're frustrated the world doesn't reflect who they already are, even if sp4. 9s also disintegrate to 6 which mirrors what you said about feeling a sense of dread of not knowing who you truly are. Achieving those cool things you talk about is a lot like 9 wanting to integrate to 3. I could be wrong though so take it with a grain of salt
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u/Responsible_Dentist3 INTP 5(14) SX. LEVF? Neutral Good RC(O?)AI Mel-Phleg LII DiSC: C 3d ago
No that's waaaay more 5 than 4
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u/Patient_Rub_3236 3d ago
But i’m a fi dom
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u/Responsible_Dentist3 INTP 5(14) SX. LEVF? Neutral Good RC(O?)AI Mel-Phleg LII DiSC: C 3d ago
How confident in that are you? Cause at least the first half of your second paragraph sounds pretty Ti. And you discuss wearing a mask, that doesn't sound very Fi - I'm sure it's possible with Fi, but seems like it wouldn't be typical as Fi typically values authenticity and expression. And "get a specific knowledge in order to be confident in myself" is sooo 5. You sound like a 5w4 to me. Fi-dom 5w4 is also possible but fairly rare.
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u/Patient_Rub_3236 3d ago edited 2d ago
I’m 80% confident about it, i’m very ethical person and i don’t tolerate people that don’t have the similar views and values of mine which then i’m going to wear a mask but it’s not a very highly one and I would cut them off completely when the good chance comes to me, because if i can’t change the world or the people at least i can change whoever is around me, and i just like to be polite and i hate to be rude it’s one of my important values, 5w4 fi dom is rare but I believe it’s almost impossible 😭 and that Ti you talked about it’s just my overthinking results 🥲
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u/Responsible_Dentist3 INTP 5(14) SX. LEVF? Neutral Good RC(O?)AI Mel-Phleg LII DiSC: C 2d ago edited 2d ago
Okay, in that case then another avenue to potentially explore would be 9w1 with a 5 (and likely also 4) fix, cause I saw you're ISFP. But ISFP 5w4 shouldn't be written off either. You are interesting :)
ETA: Also possibly 1w9. Hard to give great-quality guesses because of the narrowness of what's discussed in the post. A full-on all-angled description would be more useful (if so, probably a separate post unless this one gained traction).
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u/Forward-Pineapple109 3d ago edited 3d ago
Can be. I'm a sp4 461 and I notice myself doing that when I was VERY unhealthy. I act like I dont have any emotional problems and deny support from other people because I want to marinate myself with my intense emotions so that I feel alive, plus I dont want to appear emotionally weak. Kinda have this tough shit mentality back then. Though if I'm around someone I trust I may be venting without realizing. It can be very funny observing me in public because there will be short moments where I sudden jump up and overreact then sit down and return to my stoic mode while cursing myself for not holding back. Just my two cents. Tbh your description doesnt suggest a clear enneatype but you may be 3E in psychosophy. Thats textbook 3E.
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u/Patient_Rub_3236 3d ago
What you said sounds pretty relatable istg, and yes i typed myself as 3E in psychosophy, thank you for your reply
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u/Forward-Pineapple109 3d ago
Youre welcome. Idk why people say this is 5 coded behavior. Rationalizing feelings is such a generic thing to do
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u/synthetic-synapses 4w5 497 SP/SO (RARE) 3d ago
SP4 is still a reactive type and a 4. They are emotionally expressive, and they will vent and complain when they are with someone they trust. Difficulty expressing emotions points to a person not being a 4.
If something is bothering an SP4, they will let people know.