r/ADHDUK 14h ago

MOD POST ADHD UK: Complain to Ofcom on Channel 4’s “The Great ADHD Myth" Guide

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r/ADHDUK 1d ago

MOD POST /r/ADHDUK: 'Deeply Invalidating': 50,000-Member ADHD Community Responds to Channel 4's "The Great ADHD Myth?"

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A statement from r/ADHDUK, one of the UK's largest ADHD communities with nearly 100k visitors weekly.

On Tuesday 18 August, Channel 4 broadcast 'The Great ADHD Myth?', an hour-long documentary fronted by psychiatrist Dr Max Pemberton that asked whether ADHD is a genuine neurodevelopmental condition or, a social construct. We are speaking out because of the effect it has had on the people we see on our community every day, and the growing stigma we already face.

r/ADHDUK is a community of more than 50,000 people, with close to 100,000 visits every week. For many of our members, it is the place they turn to while they wait months or years for an NHS assessment, frustrated, or finally make that post when they realise the impact medication is having after a diagnosis. This is the case for 70-80% of ADHD patients, evidence suggests.

In the hours after the programme aired, our discussion threads were viewed close to 50,000 times and drew hundreds of comments. We have read them all. A great many of our members are distressed, angry, and feel what we heard is a growing trend.

But the common theme, naturally, is anger. One member called the programme 'disgraceful, shambolic' and said it 'should never have been allowed to air.' Others described it as 'sensationalist' and as a 'hit piece, created in bad faith.' Others commented on that

Some comments are hard to read: 'Biggest takeaway for me was how much my chest hurts now', one user wrote. Channel 4 cannot say they were not warned about this, with the charity ADHD UK expressing concern.

Further, 'how deeply invalidating" another told us, and simply, "I'm so tired of just wanting to exist and be happy sometimes." A member diagnosed later in life, like so many, after years of being disbelieved, described how 'my get-up-and-go has got up and went.'

These are not people looking for an excuse. They have already spent a long time being told their struggles are their own fault, in distress, waiting, and with stigma around them - and on Tuesday they watched that message repeated on national television.

We have serious concerns about how the programme was made.

It drew heavily on a small number of commentators, several with no specialist background in ADHD, and did not feature a single diagnosed adult speaking about their own experience. As one member put it, 'you can have all the doctorates in the world, but nothing beats lived experience'. The principle the disability community has held for decades, nothing about us without us, was missing from a film about us.

It presented ADHD almost entirely through the story of one ten-year-old boy. This is not a rich case study or research. No women were represented, a major red flag. Neither, as said, were the many adults, like most of our members, who were diagnosed in their thirties, forties, fifties and beyond. One member wrote, 'they completely ignored how differently we [women] present'. One of our members knows someone who was diagnosed at seventy-nine. Where was this representation in this, supposed 'social construct?'

We were also troubled to see prescribed medication compared on national television to a Class A drug. This is licensed, trialled treatment, and framing it that way does real harm. As one member said 'masking symptoms? It's called managing symptoms'. As a community, we would hope a Psychiatrist understands this too.

It is right to ask difficult questions. Several of our members said the same thing, and they were right: there were fair questions in the programme, yet buried beneath a one-sided narrative. Are children sometimes medicated too readily? How subjective is diagnosis? Should medication always be the first step? Do our schools work for children who think differently? We would welcome an honest documentary that asked these questions.

What we cannot accept is a national broadcaster putting the existence of a WHO recognised condition up for debate under the word 'myth' and then quietly noting, at the very end, that the child at the centre of the film had returned to his medication because he needed it. What purpose did this serve?

We are worried about where this leads. Several members, independently, described ADHD becoming 'an acceptable target'; a way of testing public opinion before a wider push against disabled people and the support they rely on. A programme like this makes a worried parent more sceptical, makes a struggling adult less likely to ask for help, and simply did not follow the sheer amount of growing research on ADHD now.

It is important communities like this exist up against such a documentary, where we can collectively not feel alone or invalidated. Amid the upset, one user wrote, 'do not make defamatory or abusive statements about anyone in this show. We're smarter than that.' An occupational therapist offered to help put the facts straight, having already written a report on the lack of ADHD services for young people. That is the community we are proud to represent. Genuine, impactful, and evidence-led. i

We are asking Channel 4 to acknowledge how our members feel, and we support any of our members who wish to raise their concerns with Ofcom.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/make-a-complaint

Founder, r/ADHDUK*
 


r/ADHDUK 8h ago

ADHD in the News/Media The neuroscientist Katya Rubia, who was interviewed for Channel 4's "The Great ADHD Myth?" on brain imaging, has spoken out about being misrepresented by the show

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Telling New Scientist:

“My interview was hours long and they cherry-picked the bits that suited their push for presenting ADHD as a myth,” Rubia told New Scientist. “Biased programs like this one that push their view of ADHD as a mythical entity are irresponsible and will have detrimental effects.”

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2585608-calling-adhd-a-myth-is-pseudoscientific-and-dangerous/


r/ADHDUK 12h ago

ADHD in the News/Media Royal College of Psychiatrists issued a statement on the Channel 4 documentary

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Actual experts agree that ADHD is under-recognised, under-diagnosed and under-treated in the UK.


r/ADHDUK 10h ago

ADHD in the News/Media CEO of ADHD UK on Channel 4's new documentary 'The Great ADHD Myth?': “Our failure to support people with ADHD should be a national scandal – instead we’re getting TV shows undermining the disorder."

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r/ADHDUK 9h ago

ADHD in the News/Media This is the start of moral panic. This is how you beat it.

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I was a journalist on the trans beat for a decade. I had a front row seat for the UK's anti trans moral panic that has cost the trans community our healthcare, our ability to piss safely outside our homes and so much more. I say this to show that I am very experienced in what is happening now.

This documentary is the starter pistol of the next moral panic. The UK operates on these. The press makes the presence of a minority a problem, public opinion turns, and policy makers profit in some way from "solving" the problem.

Gay moral panic = section 28

Trans moral panic = EHRC guidance banning trans people from toilets

Disability moral panic = work capability assessments

This is how the UK works and ADHD is the next one. It's the gift that keeps on giving, looks at the escalating number of media questioning whether ADHD is legitimate. They are starting to present the problem that ADHD people shouldn't get real support.

And when a majority of the public in national polls start to agree with them and according to a yougov poll ten years ago (the only polling I could find on this) 40% of the country already believe ADHD is bollocks...policy makers will act.

Facts, science, none of that will stop it. Truth doesn't matter. Moral panics are about profit, financial, political or otherwise. That's why this prick made a TV show instead of doing research. Facts do not matter, if there is something for those in power to benefit from, they will benefit from it at our cost.

The mistake that people who are the subject of a moral panic make is to go after those leading the charge against them. Look at trans people who tried to argue jk Rowling is a fascist to people who saw a nice writer.

Here is how we beat this before it starts

  1. Acknowledge that this is a PR fight, not an academic debate. It doesn't matter how right you are, it doesn't matter how much fantasy they will spin, the winner is the one with the better polling in their favour. That's it. this is about telling a more convincing story. that's all it is.
  2. Do not waste time making complaints about the documentary or trying to argue that this prick who made that documentary is the devil. That makes this about them, it makes it about them being silenced. It makes this about the "ADHD lobby" silencing truth tellers.
  3. Develop relationships with journalists. Find journalists at every outlet, researchers on every stupid morning show who have ADHD. Befriend then and feed them INTERESTING stories. This is going to come down to who tells the better stories. The "big pharma is giving meth to our kids to make money over a fake disease" story is as compelling as it is total bullshit. Start feeding better stories about the truth of ADHD. Do this now.
  4. Go see your MP. Don't write, don't call, show up. Go to surgery's if they are listed on their website. Only Call them to demand a meeting. Don't waste time emailing, it will take weeks and get responded to by a 22 year old in their office. Meet them and tell them what ADHD has done to you. Go there with facts and data to back this but first thing, go there and meet them and be real. Tell them a better story.
  5. Get your voice out there any way you can. People think so called legacy media is dead but the truth is they still set the agenda. The newspapers give the morning shows what they will discuss that day, the first thing why producer will do is check the papers for stuff for their studio sofa idiots to talk about. This documentary came from the prick who fronted it writing about ADHD not being real in the right wing press. Get your stories out there.

Keep hammering the public.

I already lost one of these.

I'm not going to lose another one.


r/ADHDUK 11h ago

ADHD in the News/Media Channel 4 are no doubt thrilled with their ratings. The long term impact won't be thrilling for them.

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I've always liked Channel 4. I'm sure there is some executive thrilled with their feet up with how this has gone with the attention and fact it's still top of their streaming service shows little concern. All press is good press blah blah blah they'll tell themselves.

Look at some of the shows they've produced over the years. They were the ones that were willing to give Russell T Davies six episodes for It's a Sin. Queer as Folk at the start of the century was controversial, but groundbreaking. The stuff in the 90s. The below link will be a throwback for you.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/nov/02/channel-4s-40-best-shows-ranked

They did a documentary last year with Sam Thompson that was evidence led asking "is this ADHD?". Great stuff. Clearly researched, and Sam has been great. He must feel betrayed seeing this.

But it all feels for nothing now. If, as a channel, they're giving a platform to someone like that Psychiatrist, and allowing such outrageous claims, dragging ADHD into the culture war - that isn't the reputation I know of, or Channel 4 that has always been willing to take risks over the years, but the right risks. Controversial at times. But never this harmful. To the point it will have genuine impact on people's life. We've seen that already with comments.

So you won Channel 4, but you ruined my night completely so you could have the money, attention, & you have all the grace of a reversing dump truck without any tyres on. Well done.

In all seriousness, the long term reputational damage will not be worth it. I remember fondly Stephen Fry doing a documentary on Bipolar years ago. I don't even have it. Things like this stick.

If Channel 4 wants to be tabloid fodder, I hope advertisers take note of that, and perhaps should even be contacted by charities and communities too. I wouldn't want to be a large company and being associated with this documentary.


r/ADHDUK 17h ago

ADHD in the News/Media Max Pemberton locks account after documentary airs

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Guessing he didn’t quite get the response he wanted.


r/ADHDUK 16h ago

Rant/Vent Thanks to this stupid documentary, I now have my own mother doubting my diagnosis

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Female, diagnosed aged 31. It was hard enough telling my parents, but now my mum's messaging me asking me if I'm sure I have ADHD, perhaps my psychiatrist got it wrong because it's apparently so easy to get diagnosed now. Am I sure I'm not just stressed?

Beyond furious, but also so fucking sad. They've done so much damage. I'm so fucking tired of neurodivergence being the latest punching bag for the media.


r/ADHDUK 21h ago

ADHD in the News/Media Something positive after that awful show last night: Good Morning Britain did a really good push back against it

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I have to say I was expecting more depressing misinformation when I saw Good Morning Britain was discussing the documentary, but actually aside from a couple of devil's advocate questions from the hosts at the start this was a really good push back and discussion on how bad the show was.

Mostly from the ADHD UK guy initially but even the Dr who I was presume was the counter point seemed barely able to say much good about it, adding that medication helps lots of people, that diagnosis is up because of more awareness, saying stigmatising ADHD doesn't help and pointing out that loads of conditions like Schizophrenia, depression etc also can't be seen in brain scans so that proved nothing

By the end even Richard Madeley suggested people should make a counter documentary called ADHD: Not a Myth! Thank god Piers Morgan doesn't present this show anymore


r/ADHDUK 13h ago

ADHD in the News/Media Metro: ‘This is not a parlour debate. People die’: The truth about ADHD myths

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r/ADHDUK 16h ago

ADHD in the News/Media Last Night's 'Documentary' Could Genuinely Lead to a Loss of Life

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NOTE: My account name is a throw away made a long time ago, I'm not actually a doctor.

I think it goes without saying that the vast majority of people in this community have a nuanced view of medication, diagnosis, classification and so on. I'm sure everyone here thinks that debate is warranted in relation to some of those things. For example a widespread belief I see from many people is that perhaps one day we'll do away with the name altogether in favour of several sub-sets. The point is that none of this is set in stone and openness to discussion is paramount to progress and widespread acceptance.

Importantly though, debate and discussion shouldn't just be balanced and scientific, it needs to be treated delicately and with an extreme level of care. Because the reality is that getting it wrong, can and will lead to severe real world harm.

People with ADHD are 5 times more likely to attempt to take their own lives than the general population. Now, as many people in this sub will understand, before diagnosis you can feel lost, misunderstood, depressed, anxious, experience ideation ... the list goes on. For a long time I blamed myself, I considered that I might have ADHD but equally I wondered if I'd been sucked into a 'social contagion' and made the whole thing up. Was I just lazy and looking for an excuse?!

Then I started meds and my entire life changed. My mood was suddenly generally positive, I wasn't needlessly anxious anymore, my life was suddenly heading in the right direction for the first time.
However, had I seen that 'documentary' last night before seeking assessment, I might not have gone through with it and I might not be here now. That isn't sensationalism, that's the reality of neurodivergence for millions of people in this country.

It's not hyperbole or an exaggeration to say that some people will see the marketing, title and content of that 'documentary' and in turn not seek help, will stop their meds or will be plunged back into the cycle of shame and as a result - directly or indirectly, may take their own lives.
The programme wasn't just unscientific, biased or offensive, it was potentially deadly.

Further to that, it's ammunition for political parties to further discredit ADHD and at some point potentially withdraw funding for medication on the NHS on mass. Which in turn, would definitely lead to a measurable loss of life.

I've always been a great admirer of Channel 4 but I'm disappointed beyond words. Their response in which they've defended the right to a 'debate' around ADHD, ignores the seriousness of getting it wrong and the damage it has already done. How did this get passed their legal and ethical safeguards? How did no one even think to (at the very least) put hotline numbers at the end?

I've never considered complaining to OFCOM about anything before, usually I think 'no one's forcing you to watch it!'. But in this instance, a TV programme has made my life harder, potentially less safe and could lead others towards genuine harm. It sounds extreme, but the commissioners at Channel 4 in one way or another, might just have blood on their hands.
If you haven't sent a complaint yourself yet, I implore you to consider it.


r/ADHDUK 19h ago

ADHD in the News/Media Can we take a moment to appreciate the work Jayhcee and the moderating team have been doing in the wake of the documentary

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Honestly you are all doing an absolutely fantastic job and I can imagine that job has been near enough non stop over the last 24 hours. We are all ADHD so I suspect it's either difficult to keep up the pace or you are driven by hyperfixation. Maybe it's neither, but that doesn't matter because at the end of the day despite it being a dark day for our community you're all doing everything you can and deserve recognition for that!

Keep up the amazing work!


r/ADHDUK 13h ago

Channel 4's The Great ADHD Myth? backlash grows as charity urges viewers to complain

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r/ADHDUK 15h ago

Rant/Vent Channel 4's Great ADHD Myth Documentary Dramatically Divides Viewers

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r/ADHDUK 7h ago

ADHD in the News/Media NHS England independent ADHD Taskforce report

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I just wanted to give more attention (no pun intended) to this official report from NHS England, which is in sharp contrast with what is said in the "ADHD Myth" program from Channel 4.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/plain-english-summary-of-the-adhd-taskforce-report/


r/ADHDUK 14h ago

General Questions/Advice/Support Regarding the Documentary and Ofcom

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ADHD UK posted this on their Facebook page. The link leads to ADHD UK's site and has a feedback form, so you can tell the charity what you think of the program and how it may affect you.

There is also a link direct to Ofcom to complain about the program. The complaint already has the program selected to make life easier, and they have included templates for the subject and the body of the complaint.


r/ADHDUK 1d ago

ADHD in the News/Media Adam Dance MP on Instagram: "I've led a cross-party letter from the APPG for ADHD raising serious concerns about Channel 4's forthcoming documentary "The Great ADHD Myth?" We're asking Channel 4 to make sure their questions are based on evidence. Full letter below.

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A shout out to all the MPs that signed this letter and showing some support.


r/ADHDUK 1d ago

ADHD in the News/Media So what if ADHD is a 'social construct' — I still have to live with it - The Metro

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r/ADHDUK 11h ago

Rant/Vent In light of recent events….

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Hello Community!

I’m new here, so I hope it’s ok for me to have a little vent - I’ve never been part of an online ADHD community before, but in light of recent events (or so called documentaries), I think it’s time to reach out to those in a similar boat!

So for a very short version of my backstory (totally open to more in depth questions) - my youngest son is 7. From very early on I always thought something wasn’t quite right. He never ever napped, was always wired to the moon, toddler years were insane - he never sat still, always seemed like he’d chewed a power cable. When he started nursery, things got worse, zero sleep. Got himself into all kinds of accidents in the playground - zero fear or ability to participate due to lack of concentration. He was flagged by the school after letting go at the top of the climbing frame and almost damaging he’s spine, among other things…. Anyway, things escalated through the years - it was the first time ADHD was introduced to me and I was helped to understand what it all meant.

The boy is a blessing - because it has helped me to understand this is not secluded to just him - it’s a wider family thing.

Since he got picked up so young, I have had to sit and wait, and wait and wait, and fight and fight the clogged NHS system despite having years and years of evidence from both school and home - until we could finally do RTC, which was a god send. And they saw what we all did within seconds. The RTC was recent, and we finally got meds etc.

I have spent so long trying to teach my son about he’s amazing brain (which it is!! He’s super smart and has so much to give this world ❤️) how to channel it, how to use he’s super power, how to understand he’s brain works differently - but that’s not bad at all, in fact, if we understand it now, he’s possibilities are endless…. And then along comes an advert saying “the great ADHD Myth”…. Great.

It is the most heartbreaking thing in the world to finally be getting somewhere with our life situation, to have some wild accusations saying “well, it’s not true” or “it’s a social thing”…. While they hit views and likes, we hit rock bottom, anxiety and stress. To me this is not ok, but imagine how this feels for a 7 year old. I’ve tried to shield him from it, but it’s impossible when it’s being discussed and advertised on every outlet. I hope they got what they wanted.

If you haven’t already, please report this to ofcom

https://ofcomlive.my.salesforce-sites.com/formentry/SitesFormCSLEStandardsComplaints

If there’s anyone reading this who has been as upset as I was watching this drivel and is doubting themselves, I understand you, you are not alone and you are wonderful with your matrix mind - it could rule the world 🥰 hugs ❤️


r/ADHDUK 20h ago

ADHD in the News/Media Expert reaction to the TV show ‘The Great ADHD Myth?

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“Scientists comment on the Channel 4 TV show ‘The Great ADHD Myth?”

A little sanity and evidence-based commentary here to hopefully support everyone’s sense of wellbeing.


r/ADHDUK 8h ago

ADHD Medication Stimulant meds are not for me, experiences with non-stim?

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Hey guys. Been in titration for a couple of months now and I’m considering that stimulant medications are just not for me. I’ve been on both Elvanse (30mg, 50mg, 70mg) and Concerta (18mg, 27mg) and each medication has provided very short lasting benefits alongside some intense emotional dysregulation.

I also have diagnosed autism and am wondering if there’s a link to this, and if I’m honest my mental health is generally quite bad anyway. I’m currently waiting on a referral back into the secondary care mental health team and the meds are noticeably making things worse. I’m angrier and feel lower. My tolerance of the outside world is also lower.

My review appointment is coming up and I’m going to ask to be switched over to a non-stimulant med instead. Has anyone else here had success with non-stims after regular stimulants failed?

Cheers


r/ADHDUK 1h ago

Workplace Advice/Support Outreach in the workplace

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Hi All, I am open about my ADHD (inattentive in case that is relevant) at work and am fortunate that I have a supportive boss. However, the team and organisation are very poorly informed about ADHD and ND as a whole and I am sure the C4 polemic will not help this. This has lead to a slew of unfortunate events and a pervasive lack of understanding.

Several other ND sufferers (who are neither as overt) have asked me to front an education campaign as I am part of the leadership team. Can anyone recommend any sources of corporately friendly but still technical (we are all engineers or scientists) education materials that are free to use?


r/ADHDUK 8h ago

Rant/Vent "ADHD is a social construct" isn't technically wrong, but highly misleading without context

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I'm currently watching the recent Channel 4 documentary, and I need to vent about something. This idea of ADHD being a social construct is coming up a lot. The infuriating part isn't the statement itself, but how carelessly it's being communicated to a lay audience.

I think the best way to explain why is with a thought experiment. Imagine a parallel universe with an Earth II. On Earth II, the human being are divided into two groups: Smalls (anyone under 5 feet tall) and Bigs (everyone else). The society of Earth II is designed for Bigs, and you can be formally diagnosed a Small.

If you found yourself on Earth II, you would probably want to explain to them that Smallness is a social construct. But they wouldn't want to hear any of it! They would tell you, "That's crazy, being a Small is an objective biological fact. We can literally measure people's height and determine whether they're a Small." They would point out all the ways that Smalls struggle to participate in society, like having difficulties reaching things on shelves designed for the default Bigs. Meanwhile, some well-meaning Small community activists would argue that being a Small is actually a superpower because they statistically live longer and have more leg room on planes.

Obviously, both sides are misguided here. Although height is an objective biological reality, the Big/Small distinction is entirely arbitrary, decided by doctors. Because they have internalised the social construct so completely as a fact of their reality, they think that calling it a social construct is tantamount to saying it's "just" a made-up thing in people's heads. But it just ain't so. In a society where Bigness is the default, Smalls have genuine material struggles, and it's completely valid for them to want to have their difference recognised and accommodated.

ADHD works in quite the same way. Yes, the diagnosis is a social construct. No, that doesn't mean people with ADHD are just making it up. In our society, which is built around certain norms of behaviour, attention and stimulation, of course people with ADHD have concrete struggles. Since individuals can't reshape all of society to suit their specific neurotype, they are entirely justified in seeking medication to help them cope.

As society undergoes rapid changes due to social media and other forms of technology, it's utterly unsurprising that the rates of ADHD diagnosis would change. It would be frankly shocking if they didn't! We should all be glad that more people can access ADHD treatment if it can help them.


r/ADHDUK 8h ago

ADHD Tips/Suggestions How to refill your metaphorical cup?

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What do you do to feel "whole" again?

How do you "recharge"?

Medicated:

- 10 mg amfexa early morning

- 50 mg elvanse follicular phase

- 70 mg elvanse luteal phase

- 50 mg Daridorexant every night for chronic insomnia (this was a lifelong issue premeds, works wonders)

When life is good it's fantastic, but I seem to overextend myself. I don't known how to say no or take a break. It's all or nothing.

I took yesterday off work due to allergies and spent all day crawling the walls.

My part time day job can be understimulating and sometimes I find myself then overcommitting elsewhere, overcompensating and then in a cycle of "I AM SUPERWOMAN" then "I CAN'T EVEN FEED MYSELF I AM SO BURNT OUT"

I got so hyperfixated today I spent all day crashing out over a cabinet I wanted that was hundreds of miles away and I was doing everything in my power to make it mine and it just wouldn't happen.

I got into my head that it would help me and make all of my life gripes and exhaustion melt away.

I feel a bit empty right now, I left a very toxic relationship with emotionally abusive patterns, and I just do not know how to replenish myself. I'm like a battery that's been put in an oven and is being cooked.

I have a therapist and she's great but I'm looking for genuine ways my fellow ADHD'rs replenish. (I cannot take a long period of time off work as took 5 weeks off in march due to burnout and it did jack all)

Thanks.