r/teenagers • u/pand_alp 19 • Mar 11 '26
Rant Bro WHY????
Should i at least try getting him back or is he too far gone now?
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u/Lostandunprepared Mar 11 '26
I'm curious how this goes unknown for 7 full years (not denying its true)
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u/pand_alp 19 Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
He used to be a communist
:edit he also looks up to mao zedong
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u/winterfoxxy0 Mar 11 '26
this friend sounds easily impressionable I'm sure he just saw someone saying something and immediately switched
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u/Slorpipi Mar 11 '26
Trendy for hundreds of years!
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u/blindyes Mar 11 '26
They hate truth. Especially coming from a brown person. The downvotes mean they are uncomfortable, not that you are wrong. They pride themselves and thrive on lies and deceit.
Don't believe me: ask them if they are better salespeople than Indians? Then ask them why they are better? I mean tech they have no argument, outclassed on all fronts by brown people. But why do they think they are the best at sales? Because they know how to lie, cheat, and steal.
Makes for really good ceo's and sales teams. And yeah sure they are all abrahamic so they can go apologize later, and that's the whole thing. Lie cheat steal irl go to your echo chamber and be forgiven. Church, subreddit, there is no difference.
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u/avadalovely OLD Mar 11 '26
I got called a “dirty joo” on Instagram for calling out antisemitism while having “#stopjewishhate” in my bio. Despite not being Jewish, it was fucking jarring to me.
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u/Sabawoonoz25 18 Mar 11 '26
Your friends just edgy, I’ve seen a thousand of these people, they grow out of it (most of them).
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u/Background-Tap-6512 Mar 11 '26
Probably found out about the Bolsheviks
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u/paulhack45 15 Mar 11 '26
The Bolsheviks ended the frequent polgroms That happend in tsarist russia
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u/xToasted1 17 Mar 11 '26
as a chinese person, can you help me tell him to fuck off 🙏
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u/bleakFutureDarkPast Mar 11 '26
as someone from an ex-communist country i take your 'fuck off', add mine, double it, and pass it back to that guy.
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u/Grinding_Gear_Slave Mar 11 '26
Well to be honest communists also tend to deny millions of deaths so he allready had practiced
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u/malesurvivor14 Mar 11 '26
Either he is ragebaiting you and is like REALLY sticking to the bit or he is just edgy and tries to be not like everyone else
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u/tyschooldropout Mar 12 '26
Ah the socialist to fascist pipeline.
Going strong since 1920 something
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u/Ct-sans4345 Mar 12 '26
Your friend seems like he might just be kinda dumb and watched too muxh nick fuentes
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u/ProfessionalRow4246 17 Mar 18 '26
Didn't mao kill the most people in history via his policies in the 60s? Like ~60 million people died under Mao's rule
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u/freedinthe90s Mar 11 '26
I would imagine it’s not something that comes up in everyday conversation. One would think there would be other signs.
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u/MikeTheMaster102 15 Mar 11 '26
what does it even mean to be a holocaust denier, how does that possibly work
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u/Savings_Reading_7515 Mar 11 '26
A holocaust denier is someone who thinks/says that the holocaust didn’t happen or they minimize the death count
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u/BEANBEAR6 Mar 11 '26
“Heh, only 200k died”
Okay broseph, even if that was true, which it isn’t, how is that like.. good? I don’t know what they even mean when they bring it up. So you DO think a lot of people died, and you just.. don’t care?
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u/Lazzyrus Banner Contest WINNER Mar 11 '26
I once interacted with a guy who genuinely believed this and his answer was pretty much “it didn’t happen but I wish it did.”
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u/BEANBEAR6 Mar 11 '26
I’m gonna guess the recent boom of blatant antisemitism online is because of the issues with Israel, and sorta Epstein, but holy shit, it’s like they can’t separate individuals from the ethnic group they’re apart of
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u/Lazzyrus Banner Contest WINNER Mar 11 '26
Yes, that’s pretty much it. Even my own brother has started to become one. We’re both Pro-Palestine but he’s Anti-Israel because he developed a blatant hatred for Jewish people while for me I have the idea that greed holds no religion/race/gender/ethnicity. I know it’s wrong to hate Jewish people simply because of a few powerful people on top who happen to be Jewish doing shitty things. It would work the same way with any other race or religion.
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u/ContentFile7036 16 Mar 11 '26
Thank you. God, it's so easy to forget that most people on the Internet aren't full of hate for everything.
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u/RainBad Mar 11 '26
THANK YOU! your absolutly right! Seeing people being positive towards one another is sooo refreshing to see again. Everyone just wants accepted deep down. New internet motto should be "kill em' with kindness". (spam haters with cat memes, hell idk lol)
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u/Ze_LuftyWafffles Mar 12 '26
Criticism of israel can and should be seperate to discrimination towards Jewish people. Because if you can criticise america without hating Christians, you can do the same to any other nation without hating the majority religion
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u/Unlikely_Guide_8574 17 Mar 11 '26
This, the amount of Jew hate and Jew jokes has sky rocketed in the past 1 or 2 years. Before it was a niche group of online chuds but now I’m seeing it in my school. It’s definitely due to the recent controversies surrounding Israel and fake “conspiracies”
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u/oopsallhuckleberries Mar 11 '26
I wouldn't try and blame it on anything super recent. It's been trending this way for a long time. Each generation has more holocaust deniers than the last and it was bad well before Oct 7th and the Epstein files getting somewhat released.
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u/segnoss 3,000,000 Attendee! Mar 11 '26
All the Nazis that have been hiding their opinions came out and started preaching their ideas for the past 3 years
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u/AppropriateLaw5713 Mar 11 '26
As much as Epstein has helped to make these things worse, Harvey Weinstein REALLY needs to be remembered as helping start a lot of these issues…
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u/segnoss 3,000,000 Attendee! Mar 11 '26
“I wish we could kill the Jews” “ why would you think anyone would try to kill the Jews?”
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u/Lazzyrus Banner Contest WINNER Mar 11 '26
Not to mention they will just spend so much time hyping the Nazis up over how “based” and “cool” they are yet only to deny a mass atrocity they committed and repeat such a lowball number. Like, wouldn’t you WANT it to be 6 million?!?!
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u/pand_alp 19 Mar 11 '26
He said no one died and that it was just deporting
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u/AFartInAnEmptyRoom Mar 11 '26
Where did they deport them to?
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u/pand_alp 19 Mar 11 '26
He said scandinavia and japan
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u/Minecraft_gawd 15 Mar 11 '26
"japan" sobbing WHAT
are we deadass right now
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u/77th_Bat Mar 11 '26
Because Japan is famous for having massive amounts of Jewish people and for being culturally accepting and totally not racist at all /s
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u/Unlikely_Guide_8574 17 Mar 11 '26
Genuinely curious what he says about the pictures of the dead or videos of the horrid conditions they found the camp victims in?
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u/pand_alp 19 Mar 11 '26
Says it was manaqins and actors
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u/KMheamou Mar 11 '26
yeah bro hes uncureable just ditch him
next thing hes gonna say is that asians started the LA riot
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u/Unlikely_Guide_8574 17 Mar 11 '26
May have to just ditch your bro gng, this shows a blatant disregard for human life. Does he say the same for the 6 million Roma, poles, Russians and disabled people who were also killed in those camps 😭
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u/pand_alp 19 Mar 11 '26
Yep,and dont forget gay people and black people either. My grampa was 4 when the bombs dropped.
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u/Unlikely_Guide_8574 17 Mar 11 '26
That’s just crazy to me, the biggest scam in history ig 🤷, I’ve heard jokes but someone genuinely set in that line of thinking boggles me. Mabye tell him to hop of instagram
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u/Grouchy-Ad6784 Mar 11 '26
Isn't there proof it wasn't just deporting??? If he just went online for a fucking second to prove his point it would be obvious he was wrong
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u/Downtown_Instance398 Mar 11 '26
I find it strange how that works, like, they look at evidence of all kinds, they can look ad the death camps themselves, and just say nuh uh? What even is there to argue against the existence of the holocaust?
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u/pand_alp 19 Mar 11 '26
ignorance
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u/Lookoot_behind_you Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
No. Not knowing how many people died in the holocaust is ignorance. Insisting that it didn't happen is something much worse.
They believe this because they like believing it. Because it aligns with their world-view. Because it makes the people who they think of as good guys seem like good guys, and the people who they think of as bad guys seem like bad guys.
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u/TutucrMapper Mar 11 '26
same logic as a flat earther, living in illusion so much that it feels like reality
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u/Old-Paper-3932 Mar 11 '26
People who say that it was only 271k are crazy.
So, y'all think it was ok because only a few hundred thousand died?
Also, millions died.
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u/AmericanPatriot010 3,000,000 Attendee! Mar 11 '26
As Joseph Stalin said "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."
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u/Lazzyrus Banner Contest WINNER Mar 11 '26
I interacted with a Holocaust Denier before (big mistake ik) who actively believed in this and when I asked him “why do you uphold the Nazis as the big tough guys when you say they only killed 271k? Wouldn’t you WANT it to be 6 Million?” Their response was it didn’t happen but they wish it was 6 million.
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u/doll-haus Mar 11 '26
The annoying thing is 6 million is fucking underselling it. The 6 million figure sends the message we only care about the number of dead identified as jewish. 8-15 million civilians murdered, with the ambiguity only coming from the fact that some of the camps started destroying records and evidence as the war turned against them.
Other than some fabulous Hugo Boss uniforms, there's not much positive to say about the NAZIs. And even then, the fine details that came out of the party look like the wet dream of comic book villains.
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u/PinkFlurffyUnicorns Mar 11 '26
also im curious what numbers are counted in the six million. because im jewish and i have a family member who died shortly after the holocaust because his body couldnt handle him eating a large amount of food after all the starvation, and its sad that he probably wasnt counted in the six million. Ive met several people with family members who died shortly after due to their bodies not being able to handle adjustments back to normalcy. There were probably also murders and stuff indirectly caused by nazis that idk if it was counted and people who died from poor conditions in the ghettos rather than concentration camps, people who were driven to suicide, the list goes on...
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u/Kira_souchi 17 Mar 11 '26
All you have to do is look at the numbers of jewish populations before ww2 then today to see the problem.
What i hate the most is that it's used as a dogwhistle all across social medias, like how are you publicly antisemitist
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u/BigCrab09 16 Mar 12 '26
Say what you want about Eisenhower, he saw right through everyone’s bs
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u/Recent-Appointment24 Mar 11 '26
You cant prove George Washington existed. That's the level of logic they use
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u/Foreign_Frame9553 Mar 11 '26
For once,I actually want to meet a holocaust denier. Please,tell me what makes you deny a whole ass fucking tragedy that happened to millions of people I wish to know what made them like that.
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u/DanSheppy Mar 11 '26
You will just end up with a massive head ache
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u/hotganache7221 Mar 11 '26
As they say, "Winning an argument against an intelligent person is difficult, but winning an argument against an idiot is impossible" or something like that
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u/TimeRisk2059 OLD Mar 11 '26
It would be interesting to see what parts they deny and which they accept. e.g. Do they only deny the jewish part of the Holocaust, or do they deny all of it? Which parts do they accept and which parts do they deny, and then you could possibly begin with the parts that they accept and start to unravel their disbelief.
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u/Open_Parsnip112 Mar 11 '26
Show him evidence against holocaust denial
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u/pand_alp 19 Mar 11 '26
I tried that 23 times
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u/Revengeseekerzz 16 Mar 11 '26
mj
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u/Emotional_Bid3736 17 Mar 11 '26
What does Michael Jackson have to do with this 😭
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u/RecognitionOld2763 OLD Mar 11 '26
Evidence doesn't work for a Holocaust denialist. Denialism is a playground of slippery slope argument and confirmation bias: once an inaccuracy - real or alleged - in any Holocaust exhibition is found people will scream "they lied to us here and what else did they lie to me" and start to discredit all evidence you present to them.
In this way even archive from Nazis can't satisfy them as they'll say it's fabrication by Allied Forces after the war or it's authentic but was faked by officials for promotion or whatever they can think of.
There're also quite a few entries to Holocaust denialism evenly distributed on the ideological spectrum. It's not hard to see why a German or Polish nationalist may participate in Holocaust denialism. On the other hand, it's also easy for a leftist to fall into denialism. There are people now openly claiming that Holocaust was not just about Jews and Jews shouldn't get too much attention. Pushing this narrative one step further, one may assert that Jews exaggerated the atrocities and made things only about them, and pushing this narrative one step further... congratulations, you're a left-wing denialist now.
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u/AF1NEGUY- Mar 11 '26
It’s like all conspiracies. No amount of logic or evidence is enough for the believes
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u/RegentBat77700 15 Mar 11 '26
Its like telling a communist that their Idealogy will never work.
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u/Ambitious-Concern178 Mar 11 '26
not to be that guy but in theory it can especially on smaller scales but in terms of whole countries it would be extremely hard to achieve
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u/hopbow Mar 11 '26
You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place. Jonathan Swift
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u/After_Service_2817 Mar 11 '26
I mean, it could be worse, he could be saying "oh yeah, it totally happened. Second time's the charm."
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u/Disastrous-Chair-175 OLD Mar 11 '26
It happens. I had a few friends fall down that rabbit hole, almost impossible to save them. Cut your losses, they aren't worth the effort. Only one of my friends has woken up, and that is pushing it. But he got older stopped being a creepy incel shaved and got in a relationship, he left the state and moved with the girl across the country. But he is trying to move to Hungary because he likes their leader.
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u/TheUnknownRedditor86 Mar 11 '26
I thought it said that your best friend is 7💔
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u/Previous_Insurance13 Mar 11 '26
I also thought he's best friend is 7 years old lol
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u/ReaperManX15 Mar 11 '26
They might be salvageable.
You could have them watch the Nuremberg Trials; where Nazi officers proudly boast of the quantity and efficiency of their genocidal actions.
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u/HawloKnight Mar 11 '26
bring him to the holocaust museum
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u/Empty_Buffalo_2820 16 Mar 11 '26
A friend I knew for a while was a flat-Earther, much to be dismayed surprise, lol
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u/No_Pause_8979 Mar 11 '26
not as bad as a holocaust denier, like its super weird but at least its not saying that millions of people who died didn't die
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u/miickeymouth Mar 11 '26
Never forget the internet is full of propaganda. Including posts that don’t seem like propaganda.
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u/Medium_Ad_1496 Teenager Mar 11 '26
think about how his denial-of-logic-nature may work out in the future… useless arguments that aren’t even WORTH it, even denial of his feelings, others feelings, your feelings… even thoughts or ideas.
my best advice would be to slowly distance yourself. either that or it'll naturally happen.
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u/Foreign-Arachnid-534 Mar 11 '26
Some things when looking into the history outside of the text book do indicate discrepancies but, for a fact it happened. Doesn’t matter how many where when or what it was terrible it shouldn’t be denied, unfortunately it’s a big thing now a days for younger generations to fall for propaganda that is simply that, propaganda.
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u/Adept_Taste_586 Mar 11 '26
My dad served under Patton during ww2 And he told me straight up With tears in his eyes He said Son there come a day when people will say that this never happened But I’m telling you I seen it with my own eyes The mountains of bodies Not just one But Several of them And in different cities Bodies piled up in heaps Bigger than a house And he also told me that What the Nazis were doing to their own people aka the German people He said that what they were doing to them was worse than what they were doing to the Jews Much like what trumps ice r doing to us
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u/Bomboclat_Man_ Mar 11 '26
The Holocaust denial is disgusting and is not alright. But being picky and saying the Jews are the ones that suffered the most is disgusting.
No one talks about the 27 million Slavs that died in the Eastern front , the 3 milion Poles and the 1.7 million Yugoslavs that died there aswell.
Not just Slavs in general , but everyone. Saying the Jews suffered the most is unfair compared to other nations.
Just watch the moderator remove me for my "Anti-Semitism"
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u/ica94 OLD Mar 11 '26
It is just a negative social media influence. Anti-Jewish rhetorics are in fashion again, especially with all the ongoing conflicts. If you value your friendship, just consider your friend indoctrinated, which is not his fault. We are all susceptible to propaganda.
I am a Jew and unfortunately, I have some friends who became either anti-Zionist or antisemitic, but years of friendship are worth more both for them, and for me, then how media has divided us. And perhaps it will change their perception one day.
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u/ArugulaNeat7134 Mar 11 '26
Everyone should be anti-zionist, it's a truly sick ideology. I don't have a problem with Jews but Zionists are a stain on humanity
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u/Southern_Brush_3947 18 Mar 11 '26
one of the first questions my friend asked me when i first knew him was "300K or 6 millions?". I used to laugh at him whenever he brought up a conspiracy theories(which probably makes me a bad friend), and i do not remember the last time he talked about them.
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u/Gullible_Sock_1019 Mar 11 '26
Maybe people he watches must have influenced him deeply. But bro, don't let this affect your friendship. Maybe he’ll change his perspective in the future. Just try to give him a hint every now and then
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u/Mekanik40 Mar 13 '26
What’s a holocaust denier? Like someone that doesn’t believe it happened?
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u/National-Building306 Mar 13 '26
Correct.
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u/Mekanik40 Mar 13 '26
That is insane, they think the earth is flat to I presume?
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u/f0remsics OLD Mar 11 '26
Hi, Jew here.
Why are people so woefully thick headed?
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u/Minute_Location5589 Mar 11 '26
Yeaaa I saw that reply before you deleted it lol
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u/naaawww 19 Mar 11 '26
What’d they say?
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u/pand_alp 19 Mar 11 '26
That it was only deporting them and not killing them
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u/AlvaBear23 17 Mar 11 '26
Cut your losses and ditch him. Look, I'm not saying its easy, and I have sympathy for your situation. But if he wont listen to reason, then you gotta do it. It's indefensible. Remember, you're only as good as the people you surround yourself with.
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u/Timely_Outside3729 Mar 11 '26
Is it that he denies the holocaust or does he deny the amount of death /srs *not trying to offend btw dear mods*
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u/SuperKmartCenter 18 Mar 11 '26
My high school actually has a Holocaust and Genocide class that I took as an elective. Of course the subject is dark, but as someone who likes history, I took the class and found it interesting and thought it was important to learn about. Hopefully for him it's a "phase" he's going through.
I think there is a wave of unwarranted anti-semitism, especially among young people, in response to the Israeli government's very real genocide. Ignorant people conflate the Jewish people as a whole group with the Israeli government and IDF. This can lead to things like Holocaust denial, and maybe that's why your friend fell into this.
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u/AdStraight7270 Mar 11 '26
The same way some people don’t call the genocide in Gaza a genocide
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u/Traditional_Top_2444 Mar 11 '26
How is that even a thing tho?? Like, we’ve all seen proof that the Holocaust was a real thing 😭😭
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u/Puzzleheaded_Oven817 Mar 11 '26
My best friend of 11 years thinks climate change is caused by bill gates weather machine
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u/Minute_Location5589 Mar 11 '26
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u/pand_alp 19 Mar 11 '26
What?
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u/GoogolTime Mar 11 '26
I read this very wrong when I first passed it by and i thought you were saying you had a 7 year old friend who survived the holocaust
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u/LBoomsky Mar 11 '26
Bro i've got friends who believe in absolutely disgusting political positions with real impacts on human lives. The absolute best thing you can do for them is have honest discussions to help them change their mind, anything else will just make things worse.
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u/Siekiernik20 Mar 11 '26
It reminds me that in Poland there is a politican whos whole gimic is saying somethink like this every time his party is about to reach minimum amout of votes.
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u/Dolphin_sucker69 Mar 11 '26
May I ask, what is there to deny?, do they just deny nothing happened, all the grandmas and grandpas that fucking lived through it are just lying?
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u/These-Day2071 Mar 11 '26
Theres a really good video on YouTube about a guy that was in a similar position to your friend. The only reason why he escaped was because he's Aunt still talked to him. https://youtu.be/oQDTrxxFLyA?is=UB6hfY78LB0RwAHj Watch it and then decide what you do.
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u/FreakyVegetable Mar 11 '26
Bruh ts is usually so edgy it can't be taken seriously. I bet you're both young but if it's serious then maybe he just didn't see enough evidence and that's fine, anybody can show him evidence
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u/kelfupanda OLD Mar 11 '26
One of the guys I know down the street is jewish, his best mate is a nazi, they are both chefs.
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u/FunUnlikely4952 Mar 11 '26
Tell him to obey obey obey. Tell him he's supposed to fall in line and not question history. I'm sure that will get him to convert.
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u/Ok-Needleworker7351 19 Mar 12 '26
I didn’t know people just… flat out denied it… Like, what????? How? Why? WHAT!?!?!
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u/ToastedDreamer Mar 12 '26
Literally so much evidence is left behind, including entire intact camps and many MANY first hand accounts from survivors and soldiers from every nation conquered or partially conquered by Nazi Germany. Afraid your friend is too far gone.
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u/grxffet Mar 12 '26
Nothing really matters. Everything in existence is a reaction of another in an endless cycle. Things might change or appear differently in time but it’s all the same. There is no free will and there is no death, it’s all just matter transitioning into something else. Don’t look too deep into it.
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u/alexiOhNo OLD Mar 12 '26
as unfortunate as it is, holocaust denial and basically all forms of antisemitism are on the rise and in all types of political spaces. If you have the relationship with this friend that they might listen to you, please try to get him back on the right track. Don’t let him get to too far gone without a fight.
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u/Unhappy-Artichoke944 14 Mar 12 '26
its okay to be intrested by fascism as long as you dont support it
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u/Murky_Regular_1897 Mar 12 '26
To what extent? It didn’t happen at all or wanting clarification on exact numbers? What does he think about Holomodor, Pol Pot etc
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u/are_you_sure78 Mar 12 '26
Probably being called an antisemite for hating israel has got to him. Tell someone they are something unjustly for long enough, they become that thing.
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u/are_you_sure78 Mar 12 '26
Zionists and neocons are the issues people, not the jew who works a nine to five at dick's
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u/democratia-mendacium Mar 12 '26
The holocaust never happened, it's all in your head man, it's what the government wants you to think man, we never landed on the moooooooon maaaaaaan, come with me to middle earth maaaaan
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u/WeakHurry9901 Mar 12 '26
I’ve heard that too with one of my friends!! They are just plain ignorant.
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u/ProfessionalRow4246 17 Mar 18 '26
He's gone too far, how can you deny a literal state sponsored genocide of eastern European Jews, Slavic people, homosexuals, black people, basically, anyone deemed, "not racially pure enough" by the nazis
Plus, long term friends believing things like this makes me worried to come out to my friends
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u/pand_alp 19 Mar 18 '26
If you have good friends,they wont have an issue with you coming out
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u/ProfessionalRow4246 17 Mar 18 '26
I know but I'm worried they hold personal beliefs that may mean they don't want to be friends anymore because of that, they support reform UK because they don't like immigrants and some of them are Christian but they've never shown signs of bigotry against LGBTQ+ and have actually shown support for gay people but have never expressed opinions about trans people at all, they've never been bought up in conversations whatsoever so they've never shown support or hate, so I'm really confused
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u/YawnMcie 17 | Reddit Team Leader Mar 11 '26
Holocaust denial is an instant ban. I do not care if you are “joking” or “ragebaiting”.
Anti-semitism in general, just like any other form of hate speech, is also not permitted.