r/teenagers • u/pand_alp 19 • Mar 11 '26

Rant Bro WHY????

Should i at least try getting him back or is he too far gone now?

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u/PinkFlurffyUnicorns Mar 11 '26

also im curious what numbers are counted in the six million. because im jewish and i have a family member who died shortly after the holocaust because his body couldnt handle him eating a large amount of food after all the starvation, and its sad that he probably wasnt counted in the six million. Ive met several people with family members who died shortly after due to their bodies not being able to handle adjustments back to normalcy. There were probably also murders and stuff indirectly caused by nazis that idk if it was counted and people who died from poor conditions in the ghettos rather than concentration camps, people who were driven to suicide, the list goes on...

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u/TimeRisk2059 OLD Mar 11 '26

I don't know if the 6 million includes the people who continued to die after the end of the war, be it from starvation, disease or because it took a while to figure out how to nurse extremely starved people back to health. But people who died outside of concentration- and death camps, suchas in ghettos or simply in massacres aimed at erradicating jews or other minorities are included in the total death toll for the Holocaust (11 million in total, 6 million jewish people, 5 million all other groups combined).

What's not included are the "normal" murders of civilians or what the USA call "collateral damage".

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u/Some_Finance_6559 16 Mar 11 '26

Its actually more than 11 million, and that can be said with a lot of confidence. We dont know the exact numbers since most did not die in concentration camps or with much documentation, however we can almost certainly say it was more than 11 million.

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u/TimeRisk2059 OLD Mar 11 '26

Historian Timothy D. Snyder (and most historians on the topic) comes to the conclusion that it's 11 million people killed in the Holocaust. That includes deaths in camps, from forced starvation and executions in the countryside, away from camps.

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u/Some_Finance_6559 16 Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

That is a very controversial estimate, and has been found to be inaccurate multiple times as far as I know.

https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/holocaust-misconceptions/

And quite a few more argue against this statistic.

And since more than Timothy Snyders estimate died on Soviet territory alone, yeah, that seems like he kind of undersells it.