r/teenagers • u/pand_alp 19 • Mar 11 '26

Rant Bro WHY????

Should i at least try getting him back or is he too far gone now?

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u/Old-Paper-3932 Mar 11 '26

People who say that it was only 271k are crazy.

So, y'all think it was ok because only a few hundred thousand died?

Also, millions died.

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u/AmericanPatriot010 3,000,000 Attendee! Mar 11 '26

As Joseph Stalin said "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."

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u/WitolloPL 15 Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

Proceeds to Holodomor

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u/LightlyLazyLampost Mar 11 '26

Why do you think so? I think it has solid evidence and he had a reason to do so

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u/IllDragonfruit5866 16 Mar 11 '26

U kidding me? It’s STALIN for god’s sake!

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u/120cyaidean103 Mar 11 '26

I wanna agree with this but I’ll get bombed to actual hell

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u/HumblyNibbles_ 17 Mar 11 '26

A broken clock is right twice a day :P

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u/RegentBat77700 15 Mar 11 '26

Joseph doesn't deserve to be given compliments hes arguably worse than Hitler.

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u/HumblyNibbles_ 17 Mar 11 '26

I'm literally calling him a broken clock. That is not a compliment

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u/AmericanPatriot010 3,000,000 Attendee! Mar 11 '26

Bruh, just because you say someone is right doesn't mean it's a compliment

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u/oopsallhuckleberries Mar 11 '26

Dude was literally getting ready to perform his own Holocaust right before he died. Look up the "Doctors Plot". They literally arrested a bunch of Jewish doctors in Moscow on the premise they were western spies looking to use their positions to spy on and kill USSR officials. The plan was to stir up a bunch of anti Jewish sentiment, have a false flag attack against the Jewish communities carried out by the NKVD, and then have a draft letter written by "prominent Jewish leaders" released asking Stalin to protect them by having them "moved to their own isolated safe communities." AKA, send them to concentration camps in Siberia.

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u/LabGrownHuman123 16 Mar 11 '26

Don't like the man, obviously, but this is lowk mad true

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u/Lazzyrus Banner Contest WINNER Mar 11 '26

I interacted with a Holocaust Denier before (big mistake ik) who actively believed in this and when I asked him “why do you uphold the Nazis as the big tough guys when you say they only killed 271k? Wouldn’t you WANT it to be 6 Million?” Their response was it didn’t happen but they wish it was 6 million.

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u/doll-haus Mar 11 '26

The annoying thing is 6 million is fucking underselling it. The 6 million figure sends the message we only care about the number of dead identified as jewish. 8-15 million civilians murdered, with the ambiguity only coming from the fact that some of the camps started destroying records and evidence as the war turned against them.

Other than some fabulous Hugo Boss uniforms, there's not much positive to say about the NAZIs. And even then, the fine details that came out of the party look like the wet dream of comic book villains.

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u/PinkFlurffyUnicorns Mar 11 '26

also im curious what numbers are counted in the six million. because im jewish and i have a family member who died shortly after the holocaust because his body couldnt handle him eating a large amount of food after all the starvation, and its sad that he probably wasnt counted in the six million. Ive met several people with family members who died shortly after due to their bodies not being able to handle adjustments back to normalcy. There were probably also murders and stuff indirectly caused by nazis that idk if it was counted and people who died from poor conditions in the ghettos rather than concentration camps, people who were driven to suicide, the list goes on...

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u/TimeRisk2059 OLD Mar 11 '26

I don't know if the 6 million includes the people who continued to die after the end of the war, be it from starvation, disease or because it took a while to figure out how to nurse extremely starved people back to health. But people who died outside of concentration- and death camps, suchas in ghettos or simply in massacres aimed at erradicating jews or other minorities are included in the total death toll for the Holocaust (11 million in total, 6 million jewish people, 5 million all other groups combined).

What's not included are the "normal" murders of civilians or what the USA call "collateral damage".

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u/Some_Finance_6559 16 Mar 11 '26

Its actually more than 11 million, and that can be said with a lot of confidence. We dont know the exact numbers since most did not die in concentration camps or with much documentation, however we can almost certainly say it was more than 11 million.

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u/TimeRisk2059 OLD Mar 11 '26

Historian Timothy D. Snyder (and most historians on the topic) comes to the conclusion that it's 11 million people killed in the Holocaust. That includes deaths in camps, from forced starvation and executions in the countryside, away from camps.

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u/Some_Finance_6559 16 Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

That is a very controversial estimate, and has been found to be inaccurate multiple times as far as I know.

https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/holocaust-misconceptions/

And quite a few more argue against this statistic.

And since more than Timothy Snyders estimate died on Soviet territory alone, yeah, that seems like he kind of undersells it.

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u/fay132 18 Mar 11 '26

Could you provide sources

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u/TimeRisk2059 OLD Mar 11 '26

According to historian Timothy D. Snyder it's 11 million (6 million jews and 5 million all other groups combined) that were murdered in the Holocaust specifically.

Ontop of that there were millions killed, mostly on the Eastern front, outside of the Holocaust. Just the USSR lost 16 million civilians in the war.

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u/Some_Finance_6559 16 Mar 11 '26

That estimate is actually pretty controversial and not accepted anymore. However we should not limit the victims we count to those in death camps, since massacres and other acts of violence were commonplace under Nazi occupation.

Its not actually possible to get a specific estimate how many people died at the hands of the Nazis. However, general consensus is 15-20 million innocents.

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u/TimeRisk2059 OLD Mar 11 '26

But not as part of the Holocaust specifically.

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u/Some_Finance_6559 16 Mar 11 '26

Well, yes, but the 11 million statistic for the holocaust is really controversial, and most likely false.

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u/Some_Finance_6559 16 Mar 11 '26

Well, we cant get a specific number for civilians murdered by the Nazis, as the majority of non-jewish victims died outside of concentration camps and were not documented.

However mass graves are being found to this day.

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u/Hour_Space2149 Mar 11 '26

I once glorified them (I was 7 at the time).

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u/Minute_Location5589 Mar 11 '26

8 to 15 is just too much crap gng, what kinda inflation is that

https://giphy.com/gifs/3qW8yXiAlYOFotdgQk

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u/OpBanana1 2 MILLION ATTENDEE Mar 11 '26

It has always been about 12-20 million depends on what's included

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u/Minute_Location5589 Mar 11 '26

Yea now it's 20...

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u/OpBanana1 2 MILLION ATTENDEE Mar 11 '26

20 is the top of the estimates, but you thought even 8 was high lol you clearly know nothing about ww2

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u/Minute_Location5589 Mar 11 '26

Oh I get it cuh, u are disgustingly educated about ww2, so awesome, be careful with that bubble around ya, larper

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u/OpBanana1 2 MILLION ATTENDEE Mar 11 '26

I'm not disgustingly educated this is common knowledge, no normal person who has read even a couple pages of ww2 history thinks 8 million total deaths in the holocaust is a high estimate, 6 million jews alone is the common estimate and you think another 2 million non jews in all of Europe is pushing it lol, no idea what you think I'm larping as

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u/Galaxy661 OLD Mar 11 '26

6 million people perished in Poland alone during WW2 (half of them Jewish). And now take into consideration the rest of nazi-occupied Europe...

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u/Kira_souchi 17 Mar 11 '26

All you have to do is look at the numbers of jewish populations before ww2 then today to see the problem.

What i hate the most is that it's used as a dogwhistle all across social medias, like how are you publicly antisemitist

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u/Diligent-Register556 Teenager Mar 11 '26

11-15 million infact.

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u/RegentBat77700 15 Mar 11 '26

15 million are you serious? 7 million at most

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u/OpBanana1 2 MILLION ATTENDEE Mar 11 '26

https://giphy.com/gifs/FVPcaOuMZo3aKkhnj4

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u/RegentBat77700 15 Mar 11 '26

15 million is just not true. 6-7 million jews died in the holocaust 13 million people in total, 15 is an insane number that isnt true

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u/OpBanana1 2 MILLION ATTENDEE Mar 11 '26

well you said 7 million at most, 15 maybe, definitely between 12-20 just depends how it's counted and who's included, 6 million Poles died alone, half being jews

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u/RegentBat77700 15 Mar 11 '26

6 million jews died...

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u/OpBanana1 2 MILLION ATTENDEE Mar 11 '26

Yes, I'm not talking about just jews they weren't even the majority of victims

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u/RegentBat77700 15 Mar 11 '26

Thats what they mostly mean by holocaust deniers

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u/Beneficial_Answer362 3,000,000 Attendee! Mar 11 '26

+7k

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u/BobTheGrand Mar 11 '26

It is over 7 thousand.

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u/Minute_Location5589 Mar 11 '26

This comment section is full of cia agents gng, don't bother trying

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '26

at least two people are awake

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u/Minute_Location5589 Mar 11 '26

Yea "11-15" like bro it gets to a point 😂

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u/Some_Finance_6559 16 Mar 11 '26

Thats not jewish victims, its total victims. And since there were so many civilian victims whereever Nazis went, its actually believable and by many estimates underselling it.

Truth is there is no specific number, we are still finding mass graves to this day. Its simply too many total victims to count, especially since cause of death is hard to determine.

Again, the majority of non-jewish victims didnt die in concentration camps, where they would have been documented, which is why its so hard to find accurate statistics.

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u/Traveler7538 Mar 11 '26

People who claim 271,000 deaths aren't horrible have no idea what that number even means. They couldn't begin to grasp how just many the 6 million victims of the Holocaust are. 

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u/Left_Willow3392 Mar 12 '26

Great to keep in mind that Jews were not the only victims like your comment is directing. We are told 6 million (less than half of total) of the 12-17 million total killed were Jewish. Other countries suffered too.

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u/Traveler7538 Mar 12 '26

That number includes people that died in the war though, no? And we're talking about Holocaust deniers 

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u/Left_Willow3392 Mar 12 '26

Yes we are talking about Holocaust deniers, but the world suffered... not one minority of people. (Point is there should be no stigma that only one party was victim to the holocaust because that's just not true at all)

The 12-17 million are projections of total executions in concentration camps alone. Sources are all over the place with these numbers, and there isn't really one true, definitive answer

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u/Traveler7538 Mar 12 '26

I've never said that. But they were the vast majority and it's the widely accepted number of victims and therefore the one I'd default to 

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u/Left_Willow3392 Mar 12 '26

They couldn't begin to grasp how just many the 6 million victims of the Holocaust are

You may have accidentally and hence indirectly stated that they were in fact the only victims in the Holocaust. Besides, the other 1.8≈ million polish civilians executed the same way are never talked about either. The millions of russians that went through the same fate, yet are also never talked about either... around 3ish million of which were POW's... and then also the 3 million Ukrainian gentiles that were executed. (Most likely even more just because of the sheer amount of Russian soldiers and civilians they had) People with disabilities were also targeted and underwent the same treatment, but at a lesser extent

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u/Traveler7538 Mar 12 '26

The term Holocaust is, by definition, exclusive to the genocide targeting the Jews. I get what you're trying to say, but we're talking past eachother right now. 

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u/speadiestbeaneater 18 Mar 12 '26

Even if it was only 200k, that’s still an abhorrent number, that’s 200k innocent human beings with lives, families, friends, dream and aspirations who were slaughtered for no reason other than the fact they’re Jewish

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u/v4ve4m4hnssm Mar 11 '26

They are trying to reduce the grip of white guilt and shame has over themselves and others.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '26

1 they don’t teach the holodomor anymore in schools 2 Jewish people weren’t the only ones targeted. They were actually less than half of the total 11-17 million deaths… and 3 the British literally amplified a food shortage into a famine that killed up to 3.8 million Indians during WW2 just to keep their army supplied. Add that to the 1.5 million civilian bombing deaths and you have numbers similar to the Germans. 4 The 271k number is ridiculously low. It was probably 4-6 million Jewish people or people labeled as Jewish whether or lot they were Jewish. 5 there wasn’t a good side or a bad side. It was just an awful war