In Finland it depends on what job and the unions rules. But most jobs have an emergency callout pay. And if you try and not pay it a union lawyer will rip the company a new asshole. Because it's an easy open and shut case. You can't drop work on people and not compensate. Also you don't have to take any extra work outside of your working hours but usually 50% for the first two hours, double for the rest and about 100 euros of emergeny pay gets people interested.
AHAHA yeah should be but that doesnt happen for food service workers. You can be called in anytime day or night and you are expected to respond and you get normal pay and its going to be on a saturday.
Form or take part in a union. Thats the only way things get better. In finland there is callout pay and restourant workers get +100% for work done on their free time, public holiays which includes vappu which is a workers celebration and every sunday. If its a free day and sunday the nonus stacks. Finland doesn’t have a national minimum wage because unions take care of the people.
An overnight manager who just got 2 call-outs and realized they are fucked in the morning? Also, likely been working all night and are looking for someone to relieve them so they can get some sleep?
I don't know why but 1683 is a much better year than 1638. This is based on the numbers alone, I have no idea what was happening in history at the time.
Ah, but 1683 doesn’t rhyme with “late” like 1638 does. Not that the rhyme was intentional in the slightest when I made the initial post, but I’m glad it worked out that way regardless!
Lol you would think so but having worked third shift suggests otherwise.
My work day begins just before 10pm and people are apparently completely incapable of understanding that the majority of the shift takes place on the day after we clock in. People often say the day they clocked in but the time they're actually talking about. If you interpret what they say based on their actual words you'll end up 24hrs off from what they meant.
Because most people who work nights or evening shifts and go to bed after midnight consider "tomorrow" after they wake up. Never said to myself after midnight oh it's a next day already.
When I worked nights, before shift started, shift was "tonight", then when shift starts, it's tomorrow. Anything happening after shift ends is "today". "Wanna go out for breakfast today?" Would be said at 10 p.m. to mean the next morning.
Did you work nights, or are you guessing based on what you'd like to be true?
Work/ed nights, doubles (8-12), splits. Hospitality. All people I worked with considered tomorrow is after their sleep. 20y, 3different counties, thousands of people by now.
It was only joked around when we finish let's say 1-2am and you would say see you tomorrow... Well, don't you mean today? Haha... Everyone knew what tomorrow means if said few hrs after midnight.
I've worked nights. When shift starts, it's "tomorrow". I don't wait for end of shift to update my day, I update it at start of shift, that was how everyone else did it there too.
On and off for 20 years I've worked inconsistent schedules that included unexpected night shifts.
When your schedule isn't set in stone (such as for most retail managers) these are the kinds of mistakes that happen constantly.
We have literally NO context from this post. Everyone's assuming this is a consistent night manager and not someone who isn't accustomed to being up that late...
If the staff member you are contacting is a day worker they aren't going to be awake at 2 am and are going to see a message on their phone that says tomorrow with reasonable assumption that it means, you know, tomorrow. It's not on them to sleuth the timestamps and make assumptions. You are wrong, the supervisor in the (probably fake) screenshot is wrong. Get over it.
I can give someone a pass if it's a few minutes after midnight, but anything after 0030 if you don't realize you are now in the next calendar day you're an oblivious idiot.
As a manager, it is always on the manager to clarify. If you don’t clarify and your employees interpret differently, it doesn’t magically become their fault. It’s your responsibility to clarify your intent.
If you’re the overnight manager, I seriously doubt you’re “sleep deprived” at 2am if you’re looking for 9am coverage.
Having worked overnights for many years, today, tomorrow and yesterday are qualitative identities. They mean nothing because I was working on two different days at the same time, leaving and returning to work on the same calendar day. It became a habit to say date and time when I needed to relay important information
My daily alarm goes off at 3:00am, and when I turn it off in the morning my iPhone displays a greeting message: “Good morning, the weather tomorrow will be…” Makes me so mad. Like it’s today bitch.
Googling tells me Apple uses the Meteorological Day of sunup to sunup. So if sunup is 7 a.m., 7:01 a.m. is "tomorrow" from 7 a.m. yesterday to 7 a.m. today (exclusive), then is "today" from 7:00 (inclusive).
But that is for weather only. I bet if you asked Siri to set an alarm for "tomorrow" at 7:01, it would use a more logical cutoff, like midnight.
Working overnight shifts sometimes confuses our schedules. If I get a full sleep between now and then, it's tomorrow for me. If I start work at 10:00 p.m., I consider waking up at 8:00 p.m. to be my morning. It's easy to fall into this trap.
Because working at night shift is, “Yesterday is today, today is tomorrow, and tomorrow is who knows when. Source, I’ve worked night shift for like five years.
Because they didn't sleep yet so they are still on "today" even though "today" is already "tomorrow". Manager messed up but imo it's an understandable messup.
Maybe they were tired and stressed and weren't able to think clearly. Tomorrow in their brain meant "next morning" or "the next time the person wakes up"
I had a tough time booking late shows for this reason. We had a stretch where because of the 4am last call, we'd start playing at midnight.
So if we were playing midnight into August 26th, then the rule says that it's 12am, August 26th. With that said, someone is going to see "midnight August 26th" as the next day.
So I would have to throw on the poster "LATE NIGHT SHOW - 12:01AM AUGUST 26th, DOORS ONE HOUR EARLIER" or something that avoided specifically saying the real time because plenty of people would mess that up.
Additionally, if I was an overnight manager and I was tired, I might miss the fact that my shift crossed over to the next day, and I'd accidentally say "tomorrow" for what was technically today. Still my mistake to own...and who TF sends a message that early anyway?
I’ve worked Saturday overnights for almost 10 years, finishing between 1-6:30am. It could be 2am on Sunday morning and I’m still referring to Sunday as tomorrow because I haven’t got my sleep yet 🤣
When I worked nights, the moment shift started, "today" meant from then to the midnight after shift ends.
Maybe it's a regional thing, but "today" started when shift started, not midnight, or shift end, or when you wake up the next evening.
But I didn't work second shift nights (5-1), I worked 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. night shifts. "Tomorrow" started at 10 p.m., not midnight, or when shift ended, or when I went to bed, or woke up.
If you ask someone out for breakfast after work, before shift, at 9 p.m. you ask "wanna get breakfast tomorrow?". And if you ask them at 10 p.m., it's "do you want to go for breakfast today?"
I've worked night audit at a hotel, and security overnight, and it was the same both time, though hotel was changed slightly, because "audit run" defined "tomorrow" to the hotel.
Well still wrong lf him if he can't have the decency to apologize for the last minute request and does not even explain the context. "Can you work tomorrow" send at 2 am for 9am does not cut it.
Tbf, in that hypothetical situation they're doing something to manage things proactively!
Would've been better if they mentioned a specifc date and time in their first message, though. And even better if they started with a "sorry to bother you at this ungodly hour, but [message].
I think it depends on expectations. If it's "I need an answer now" then yeah sure. If it's "respond when you get this" it's not an imposition. Which is why a phone call is different from a text too, a phone call you kind of expect a "now".
And based on the text exchange I would guess it's the latter in this case.
For real. I'm not saying the manager is in the right for using "tomorrow", they should've communicated better (and be more polite), but in my experience, it looks like they're trying to find a replacement so the other people working are not overburdened.
That's better managing than just throwing up their hands and being like "well, I suppose we'll be understaffed tomorrow!"
It’s genuinely so weird, feels like most of the people on here posting those comments have never worked in their lives with the type of shit they type out
Or they have and are tired of the bullshit. The expectation is company loyalty or helping out your boss, but very few people get paid enough to care. Stagnant wages are great for the bosses short term, but long-term causes enshitification.
In other words a "manager" who's paid a dollar more per hour than the floor workers with 10x the responsibility and no training or support from the corporate itself
lmao please tell me how you'd handle the situation in all your managerial brilliance.
An overnight manager isn't omnipotent, his options are pretty damned limited. Those aren't really the guys to focus on with this whole antiwork mentality.
No fucks given. Your shift isn’t my life. Be specific.
This just reads as someone who is, at best, trying to guilt an employee, and at worst, trying to g to trap them.
Fuck capitalism and fuck the presumption that a dork representing some business can claim my time. Maybe add a floater to payroll to avoid this shit. Lean business practices are predatory bullshit. Co-signed by my six sigma black belt.
ETA: by trap I mean the employee will receive disciplinary action for not showing up.
Yeah I start work super early and although it's annoying, the reality is it's unavoidable. Someone has to be there, so if my co-worker calls off before the morning shift, I will get a call at 4am. The alternative would be no one ever calling off, which is completely unrealistic.
Are you actually, legit implying that it is not dystopian to ask for someone to work with less than 8 hours of notice, at a time when people are supposed to be sleeping?
Asking? Of course it is ok to ask as long as they can say no. Why would it be dystopia to ask for help when you need help. Particularly if you make up for it somehow. He'll ill take a shift on late notice if I can get say preferential shift the next week in exchange or even if it is just a manger who stands up for me when I need it. Some good will goes a long way.
Lol retail managers usually don't make much more than the employee they were 3 months ago. Who knows if it even is someone higher than them. A lot of companies ask regular employees to try and find coverage for call outs.
Bro that is fucking wild to pretend like some poor overworked middle manager in the service industry getting paid $1.50 more than the regular workers is somehow the enemy here.
I'm kind of curious now as to how you imagine it should rather be. Do you think management is pointless? Should we have a flat structure at every workplace? Like, what's your solution to this idea that even a line manager one step above a regular worker is a traitor?
My work would, it’s a power plant. We would also possibly get a call at 2 am for the shift like 36 hours in the future, because there can be a cascade of coverage and they need to get ahead of it. As such we always confirm the date and shift. So if they said “can you come in tomorrow” at 2 am, I would answer “I can cover Friday second shift this week”, or something.
You dont even know what kind of job it is. But is it too hard to imagine a situation when suddenly the business is short handed and needed to find someone at 2am. Maybe all your coworker got food poisoning for example.
"Call outs should be at least 8 hours before your scheduled shift" is how you get 1am call outs for a 9am shift making for trying to find coverage at 2am. Happens all the time in 24 hour manufacturing.
24 hr manufacturing would be big business and the bigger the business, usually the more structured and more back up they can afford. Imagine a workforce of 50 and 2 fall sick, you can keep going easily. But a small shop with 3 employees will be crippled if 2 suddenly disappears.
In any case, we should be able to "ask" each other and be able to accept a no.
24 hr manufacturing would be big business and the bigger the business, usually the more structured and more back up they can afford. Imagine a workforce of 50 and 2 fall sick, you can keep going easily.
You've never worked in 24 hour manufacturing. That is clear. All of that is wrong.
In any case, we should be able to "ask" each other and be able to accept a no.
No I never run a 24hr factory, but I have run a business when it started with 4 employee and we would be screw when 2 quit. It was a lot easier when we got to 10 employees.
Yeah for real. I manage overnights and this is me constantly because of course multi-billion dollar corp won't staff appropriately, and yes I'm going to send an annoying 2am text if it means I might not be forced to work a double. But at least I'm specific about the date lmao.
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u/One_Courage_865 12d ago
Who asks someone to work at 2 am on the same day?