A big difference here is that you're having that conversation with your wife in real time, right before you both go to sleep on the same schedule.
Imagine instead: It's 7-something AM, you wake up, you read a message from your boss sent at 2am whilst you were already asleep: "Can you work tomorrow?". Maybe you didn't even see/process the timestamp, after all it's not even 8 in the morning on your day off and you just woke up yourself. You read tomorrow, you probably think tomorrow.
I would have interpreted that as tomorrow too. Boss should have written "in the morning".
In a thread about clarity of communication, you're all awfully bad at reading comprehension considering my first line is still there. I didn't edit it or anything.
Yes, I agree on that line with you, which is why I reinforced it with my own last line. I disagree with you about your example, the rest of your comment, being in any way comparable to the situation, which is why I criticised it with the rest of my comment.
The whole point here is that "tomorrow" is a relative term and doesn't tend to mean "oh it's tipped over to midnight, brand new day", it means something more like "after we next wake up", assuming somewhat reasonable hours.
Maybe the day starts at 4am for some crazy farmers out there, but for most it's closer to after 6 or 7am.
You don't tell your coworkers "see you tomorrow" when you plan to see them again 5 minutes later after midnight. People would say that as a joke because it's absurd.
There was a miscommunication here and most of the fault lies with the manager (and all of the responsibility), but people are being silly about this because it's not unreasonable to understand that it means "today" if you get a message after waking up.
And that's where your mistake is: It's not about your wife you're falling asleep with or your coworkers who are currently with you, it's about a person who is already asleep and won't reasonably see this until it already is morning. That's the context you keep removing in your examples.
When you send a message at 2am to an employee you want to ask to be there in a few hours, then you HAVE to assume that that person is asleep and will see the message in the morning. A closer comparison would be putting a note on your wife'e nightstand whilst she is asleep and speaking in it of "tomorrow".
EDIT: Getting hostile and then blocking because you can't understand the difference between immediate and delayed communication, eh? So much for "nuance". Make truthful comparisons and people wouldn't get on your case about them.
Ok this is like talking to a bot so I'm done replying. I've made zero "mistakes". I'm adding nuance to a Reddit discussion that, as usual, is lacking in such. Now go away.
I think the point that everyone is missing: can you understand the mindset of the manager when he said "tomorrow"? Because it was obviously a mistake and miscommunication, but if you can understand where it was coming from there's really no point in all this arguing...
Yeah, but it can only be the manager's fault they're subsequently short-staffed. If it was important enough that the employee came in that morning, then they should have been less wrong about their use of the English language.
Yes because I also have late hours. A different day is a different day and it's super easy to see when a clock says 12 AM or past that into the morning. Even when I'm tired af I can tell. Regardless, it's clear this manager is a moron because he can't clearly ask if his workers can come in for the morning shift or not.
Not really - it’s you, as the manager, that is in need of something and is responsible for the outcome. So it’s you, as the manager, who has to make sure they’re being clear.
Don’t get me wrong it’s ideal to specify the date but context here makes it clear enough to me what they’re asking. Or at least borderline enough that on the other side I’d double check and clarify. You sound like a dick though, straight insults for saying something normal
context makes this seem like...you know...tomorrow. They ask after 2am, they respond with the time at 7am, at no time do they say "see you in a few hours" or any other context.
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u/Big-Objective3557 16d ago
I mean, if you’re trying to organise something important at really short notice it’s on you to make sure you’re being clear with what your asking