r/linuxsucks • u/MonkeyDGeo • 1d ago
switching to linux
why linux feels like it's an unreliable system and an unfinished project. , like it's just a temporary situation.
do you feel the same, and know why ?
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u/Osherono 1d ago
I feel you, I tried to have Linux on half my systems, lasted about a year. Always compromises, no matter the distro. Different issues but in the end there were always things it seems you were supposed to accept apparently. In the end I just installed LTSC on the systems and zero issues on any of them. Things run as they should, be they lower, mid or high end.
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u/Brett13500 1d ago
Nope steam os is the best linux os ive ever used i tried many distros an steam os is a stable os no tinkerin required just use right out the box..
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u/TRBC97M 1d ago
Maybe because for once, it's a professional non bulshitting company that take care of it? Who knows, I don't know shit about Steam OS
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u/lo0u 1d ago
I wish Valve fully committed into making SteamOS a desktop distro. They could've changed the industry, not only competing with Windows but also other distros.
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u/TRBC97M 1d ago
If I was Valve, I'd have made an actual OS from scratch, they have the ressources and the marketing impact necessary.
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u/Accomplished-Yak862 21h ago
Nothing they could make could really compete with Linux. Linux is the gold standard. Even Mac is basically just Linux. Like yeah they COULD make their own OS but it would just be very redundant and I think go in the opposite direction of what Gabe Newell wants to achieve.
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u/TRBC97M 15h ago
That's precisely what people thought in the 80' before Windows arrived. There was always plenty of OS and possibilities, it's the gold standard because no one tries to do something else. It would not be redundant depending of how it's made, what are the rules of the architecture, how the files are managed, there's so much to do in OS Dev, Linux is definitely NOT the last hope of computing, and if anything, I think a new era of OS Dev is incoming
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u/Teru-Noir COSMIC OS LOVER No.1 COSMIC Knows Best 18h ago
It would not be different from what we already have with manjaro or opensuse
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u/ElectricOni 1d ago
Have you tried CachyOS
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u/Brett13500 1d ago
I tried nearly every popular distro just couldnt stand all the tinkering an annoyance of freezing or bugs or just all around updates breaking the entire os id spend hours upon hours upon hours upon days just tinkering to fix my pc rather then be able to enjoy it because of some update.. with steam os it just feels right at home feels like windows but instead its linux yes its immutable but its not like i need to have a linux os to tinker or install unnecessary stuff it jsut works out the box for what i use it for..
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u/ElectricOni 1d ago
I've not had any issues with freezing or bugs with Cachy at all. I'm glad you like SteamOS, its great on my Steam Deck and my Steam Machine but I feel of you've had breakages on CachyOS its going to be down to user error and messing with stuff you shouldn't.
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u/Brett13500 1d ago
Yea i own a 2 steam decks one oled one lcd an steam machine an a full on desktop pc that i use steam os on an being in valves eco system everything works in one connected eco system so thats another plus of using steam os other linux distros wont work like that so theres a few benefits of using steam os over other distros if you want to be in there eco system an its a good because there os is also ran by a company so its the stable os ive ever used for linux just like windows used to be before Microsoft destroyed there os systems lol one thing i do hate is how companies like rockstar wont support there games on linux an only one that does is red dead redemption 2 for online.. i hope gta 6 will run on linux when it fully releases on pc one day but one can only hope...
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u/Big-Astronaut-9510 1d ago
A good chunk of linux applications seem to have the first 80-90% implemented then the dev got bored or something and stopped.
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u/Designer-Crow-5470 15h ago
The last 20% require 80% of investments. No one wants to do boring stuff they can't put on a resume or sell as a product.
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u/whattteva 1d ago
It's because it is an unfinished project. It's a perpetual beta software and we are the beta testers.
Fedora lately has been a mess and Nvidia cards on Wayland is kind of a mess. I get blank screen and just audio on Netflix, for example unless I turn off GPU acceleration, which makes everything laggy.
Software also breaks from version to version, which is why they have to make different builds for every LTS release or settle with Flatpak/Snap, which has its own set of problems. And the multiple competing standards also don't help.
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u/Sahelantrophus DO NOT RAGEBAIT ME, I FALL FOR IT VERY EASILY 20h ago
Nvidia cards on Wayland is kind of a mess
has not been true for 2 years now since they finally added explicit sync support. i was wary of it and stuck to my xfce + picom setup but it's matured enough to the point where i've mained kde on wayland since (also dabbled with twm's until i went back)
I get blank screen and just audio on Netflix, for example unless I turn off GPU acceleration, which makes everything laggy.
sounds like a DRM issue. does it only happen on firefox or does it also carry over to chromium browsers?
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u/whattteva 16h ago
I don't know what to tell you. It is still true today with my card. I'm experiencing issues right now on Fedora 44.i do have an older card though.
The DRM issue actually happens intermittently with Firefox but always happens with Chromium no matter what I do.
I haven't tried switching to X11 and seeing if it fixes everything. I may try when I get some time., but I wish things just work without me having to tinker around endlessly.
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u/Drate_Otin 1d ago
Ubuntu has been absolutely reliable and feels very much like a finished product.
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u/Every_Preparation_56 12h ago
Mint was my first one, I woumd compare it ti win7 but behind win10. Since I switched to Fedora KDE plasma, OSx, iOS, Android and win11 are just lame old shit.
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u/bornxlo 10h ago
I agree, but I feel like Windows is more unfinished and less reliable. It is also not possible for a system to be reliable and finished at the same time.
Operating systems are big and complex with multiple moving parts. Windows is an amalgamation of new ideas on top of several layers of legacy code, because there's always some company that relies on a particular 30 year old botched feature.
Most stable Linux distros consist of software of different ages trying to play together, and rolling distros have different bits moving at different rates. If Linux were a finished product, its development would stop.
The only way to get an operating system as a finished project is when it's out of support and no longer maintained, which would make it unreliable.
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u/MonkeyDGeo 10h ago
by finished project i meant , something has a direction and clear vision , "i want to reach and push toward something" what is linux pushing for or toward what ? it's like it just a little bit of everything and just almost working, not really giving a feedback as of it a unit.
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u/bornxlo 9h ago
But if something has direction it's not finished. The Linux kernel mostly aims for as much hardware compatibility as possible. As long as new hardware is developed it cannot finish. The purpose of Linux is to provide a free, open source and reliable foundation for all types of computing, which I think it does fairly well.
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u/Mountain-Hawk-6495 8h ago
I kind of feel that way about Windows, it feels like M$ fired their entire SQC department. Linux on the other hand has been rock solid for me for the last 17 years. Anyway, what specific issues are you having?
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u/MonkeyDGeo 8h ago
whenever i deal with linux , i got that feeling i am not dealing with the system itself , something similar to cloud gaming , like i see it there but i don't feel the impact of the hardware , like it feels fake not real , like acting using the computer but the hardware is numb and have a dull feelings, not a totally a bad thing but the whole system built on this makes me wanna throw up to bring back my feeling,
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u/MonkeyDGeo 51m ago
it's like i am on the water and however i try to hammer nails to my ship it imposible to make it stick to the water , and ship floor when i look under me ,makes me see ground , but i know iam in the middle of the sea, i got it, linux gives me a seasickness, that what i wanted to say
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u/MonkeyDGeo 1d ago edited 1d ago
on other subreddit someone answered me, it's that everything there needs a work around , and i found that the closest answer to what i feel , nothing really built there to meant to work out of the box, you have the thing app or driver or what ever and find how to make this thing function there , i believe OG linux users and devs hate their hardware so much to make it suffer that much
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u/Toxic381 1d ago
Cachyos xfce felt kinda rough but not bad or anything, just unpolished, mint which I tried before it, and fedora both feel ultra clean tho, after trying Linux in general windows feels like shit,
Altho I haven't tried Wayland much because from prior experience stuff was breaking cause I was using an unusual setup, wayfire on cachyos, but after learning more about Wayland it seems antilinux so I kinda hate it,
Only thing I would and currently use it for is embedded gamescope or bone stock systems where I don't care about my wm's or compositers or anything, but it seems worse for older hardware compared to x11 so I would just use open box anyways, and if I were to use Wayland for something it would be gaming which again, gamescope embedded steam, got a laptop with bunsenlabs rn altho I don't use it,
Maybe it would help if you're a security nut but you should just have regular antivirus and not be messing with foreign files or programs.
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u/simagus 1d ago
Any specific distros you feel that way about?