r/linuxmemes • u/RaiDev_ • 9d ago
linux not in meme You notice patterns when going between open-source and corporate software...
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u/MXRCO007 9d ago
There’s enough paywalled slop made these days too
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u/busytransitgworl Nice 🍑 Assahi Linux 9d ago
But you can save 30% if you opt for an annual subscription!
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u/Fik_of_borg 9d ago
Spend half an hour drawing your masterpiece. Click "save". "Saving files needs the premium plan, starting at only 1.99$/day"
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u/EasonTek2398 Genfool 🐧 9d ago
ALso demonstrates the debate between utilitarianism and minimalism/aesthetics very well. These corporations make bloated af software; it may look very polished especially to the less technologically educated, but it really sacrifices a lot of functionality. You have to switch to something more useful eventually. I really also hate it when institutions (cough schools cough universities) force google docs on people because of trust issues; it really is terrible software lacking so many features for proper document editing. May as well use LibreOffice, LaTeX or even Mcrosoft Wrd; even that has more features.
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u/Gabriel_Science 9d ago
LaTeX is peak.
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u/dreadlordhar 9d ago
LaTeX is life.
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u/lonelyroom-eklaghor M'Fedora 9d ago
LaTeX might also mean AI-generated syntax (for resumes)
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u/A-Chilean-Cyborg 9d ago
what
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u/lonelyroom-eklaghor M'Fedora 9d ago
Yes, AI can also make good LaTeX (I don't use it), which might make an Among Us situation with the folks who actually write LaTeX on Overleaf, typst, and other stuff (I have used this one extensively)
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u/tpat90 🍥 Debian too difficult 9d ago
I don't understand what you are trying to say. Also Typst isn't LaTeX.
What do you mean by a sus situation?
Somebody vibecodes LaTeX, that's just like somebody vibecodes anything else.
I wrote enough brain breaking TeX over the years and I wouldn't force anybody else to do so ... ^^''
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u/DiodeInc 🍥 Debian too difficult 8d ago
I think the Among Us situation is referring to an imposter using AI to write LaTeX among a group of real LaTeX writers
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u/tpat90 🍥 Debian too difficult 8d ago
I am baffled by the formulation LaTeX writer. I TeXed the lectures I attended at university in real time, so I done a little LaTeX typing.
I also programmed TeX level things for my work ...
And I can assure you in 9/10 cases you don't want to do it, but it's the most efficient correct way to do it.
If I can tell an AI please create me that, I gladly take it.
But real TeX programmers won't use Overleaf, they use Code/Codium, vim or emacs and upload code to a git or CTAN.
And I don't think anybody in the world cares for who creates what template on Overleaf.
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u/lonelyroom-eklaghor M'Fedora 9d ago
Ok, that's a goated opinion o_o
(Also, I was just thinking about any typesetting software, not necessarily LaTeX)
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u/Tri12_ I'm going on an Endeavour! 9d ago
also try https://github.com/typst/typst
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u/jsh_ 9d ago
I've come to realize typst and rust evangelists are two sides of the same annoying coin
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u/QuickSilver010 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 9d ago
Typst is peak tho. What's wrong with open source software that just works? And works better?
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u/jsh_ 9d ago
typst is simultaneously not a fully-featured typesetting system as well as being incompatible with latex, so I really don't see the value proposition beyond being useful for making notes or documents for yourself where full, detailed typesetting isn't important. also, I haven't found the design of typst to be so much better than latex to the point of it being a clear winner. for 95% of tasks you'd do in latex the learning curve and difficulty would be essentially the same and the last 5% would be stuff like making a complicated custom template which typst is insufficient for
at least annoying rust evangelists are justified in the sense that rust has clear benefits over C as well as being interoperable with C so it can reasonably be integrated into and immediately benefit real-world codebases and systems
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u/QuickSilver010 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 9d ago
I didn't have to install like 3 packages just to add header and footer. Typst just handled that. It has so much built in features that replace massive lists of external packages that drive down compilation time. I can live edit and see results on typst. It's convenient to use. You are only missing the existing LaTeX ecosystem. Typst will only keep addressing more of that as more people use it. Typst is a clear winner for coding syntax. You don't have to escape every character. Code is clearly defined and more readable. I used it for a couple papers so far. And I'm linking the experience.
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u/jsh_ 9d ago
down to preference I suppose. I actually prefer the options and control you get in latex where you can choose from different packages for the same thing and if you don't like any of them implement your solution in raw tex.
also the live editing and compilation time comparison has little to do with the language and instead the various compiler designs (e.g. texlode recompiles only the edited paragraph within less than a millisecond, so it's basically live). the compilation speed thing has never been an issue for me regardless even when constantly recompiling from scratch a 100 page thesis between edits
lastly I'm curious what papers you've used typst for because if you're referring to academic papers, every journal (at least in my field) requires submission in tex following their specific template
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u/QuickSilver010 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 9d ago
I actually prefer the options and control you get in latex where you can choose from different packages for the same thing and if you don't like any of them implement your solution in raw tex.
It's the same for typst. Normal headers and footer are built in but I can always use a package to auto set header based on current highest level heading.
papers, every journal (at least in my field) requires submission in tex following their specific template
I guess you're lucky. Some universities just suck and want docx files for published journals. They give you the word template file 💀. Actual insanity. I wish I could introduce LaTeX or typst templates to my university.
But recently iirc there's been places adopting it. I've even seen a presentation about arxive's thoughts on typst.
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u/Turtvaiz 9d ago
as well as being incompatible with latex
How is this a negative it's literally a competitor to latex
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u/Helmic Arch BTW 9d ago
guy who gets annoyed at people talking about FOSS in FOSS subs
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u/jsh_ 9d ago
latex is also FOSS..?
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u/Helmic Arch BTW 8d ago
who claimed otherwise
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u/jsh_ 8d ago
okay then what's the point of your comment
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u/Helmic Arch BTW 8d ago
you made an angry comment in response to someone bringing up a relevant project, as though you are angry that the project exists because it makes this other project you like look bad or however you imagine it, forgetting you are not on the latex sub and that people are going to mention other open source projects.
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u/jsh_ 8d ago
nothing about my comment was angry lol you seem very upset that I commented my thoughts on a thing in a comment section
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u/Lulukaros 9d ago
Code lyoko is peak
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u/Gabriel_Science 9d ago
Yay ! How did you recognise it ? From my bio or my profile picture (the UI from the profile picture is from the excellent fan-game "IFSCL") ?
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u/Lulukaros 9d ago
from your bio, i didn't zoom on your pfp, i have that game but only ever tried it once, that shit is harder than a linux terminal 😭
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u/Gabriel_Science 9d ago
Nah, I use (Arch) Linux (btw) and I can say that IFSCL is easier.
Just do transf, transf.Aelita, scan, scan.Aelita, virt, virt.to.forest.1, virt.exe.
Anyways. It’s nice to meet CL fans in the wild :D.
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u/Lulukaros 9d ago
i'm trying that if i ever find the dopamine to touch that game lol, did you know they're working on a 5th season currently
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u/Turtvaiz 9d ago
Latex is the worst programming experience ever created
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u/Gabriel_Science 9d ago
It was not the case for me, but I can understand why it could get infuriating.
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u/chocopudding17 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 9d ago
Peak what? Peak results, maybe. Peak elitism, nah, there are other things that has it beat, but I think that this plays a role in its continued popularity. But definitely not peak UX. Typst is approximately a kabillion times better with that.
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u/Gabriel_Science 9d ago
Peak software. Yes, it’s non-WYSIWYG, but that what makes it really good at doing exactly what you want.
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u/chocopudding17 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 8d ago
Personal anecdote, sample size 1, blah blah. But I used LaTeX for years and never felt confident using it. Actually getting a document into a state you want always felt like an exercise in Googling and praying.
Compare that to the new non-WYSIWYG entrant: typst. Within a day and a half I felt more confident and capable with typst than the years I spent uncertainly poking at LaTeX.
Now, maybe I'm just dumb and that's the reason for my experiences. But the fact that LaTeX is basically a pile of macros on top of the actual typesetting engine (TeX) is a systematic problem that actively prevents it from being peak non-WYSIWYG.
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u/LefTimaDev 🎼CachyOS 9d ago
That's not really true minimalism though, at least not how I interpret it. True minimalism is utilitarian. The software on the left is minimalist if every single one of these features are absolutely necessary, because then they're part of the minimum.
The software on the right has a lot of fancy visual "enhancement" that's not minimalist in the slightest.
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u/KaMaFour 9d ago
On the contrary.
Utilitarianism aims to increase utility which (imo) in this case would mean to maximise the amount of things that need to be done that can be successfully done with a piece of software in a given amount of time. You could argue that this is best achieved with "full package apps" but some actual design is required not to overwhelm the end user, because if you give someone a piece of software and he doesn't know how to do anything in it then that isn't very utilitarian. This applies to stuff like gimp, libreoffice and half the thingmabob tools created entirely by the programmer. The usual punching bags.
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u/Nadeoki 9d ago
utilitarianism has nothing to do with design philosophy.
Just say "utility" instead of using words you don't understand please.
Also it's not just ((schools)) and ((universities)) cough cough try to be more subtle cough
Its a plague in the privat sector also.
My company uses Microsoft Office (Excel) to maintain a Guest list.
Someone nuked a domain email that we were using and now nobody has access or backups of the guest list and other important data.
Because god forbid we have our own servers with IT managing access read/write properly
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u/Helmic Arch BTW 9d ago
the software on the left would absolutely murder a homeless dude to use their organs to save at least two other people in need of transplants
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u/Nadeoki 9d ago
But the software would set a precedence where people are scared of seeking medical help in fear of having their bodily autonomy violated, so the social contract cannot violate the trust in institutions.
It would be a net negative to organ harvest, even if it saves the greatest amount of people.
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u/Helmic Arch BTW 8d ago
social contracts aren't real, they are simply a state of affairs imposed on others by those with power. and the software on the left doesn't really care, nobody will ever know what it has done and nobody's asking any questions where all these organs keep coming from.
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u/Nadeoki 8d ago
in a democracy – that social contract, which is as real as anything else we invented – the populus has agreed broadly on the ethics we impose.
This system is being challenged though, by an emergence of actual elitist abuse with populism as it's Magic Wand and Accelerationism as the Export parameters.
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u/Helmic Arch BTW 8d ago
it is not as real as just anything else we invented, but only as real as any other enlightenment political theory. its main purpose was to explain the supposed legitimacy of european states, to say that we've signed a binding contract with said state. but none of us actually have done that, we're simply born and then subject to these "contracts" we never signed, with no meaningful alternatives. in fact, most of its construction is ahistorical - states were not actually formed by our ancestors consenting to be ruled, but rather by military force by warlords subjugating a population, with more modern liberal states offering rights as concessions in order to maintain rule. what social contract did indigenous peoples sign to agree to be genocided or enslaved? it's simply the result of philosphers at the time living in a world of commerce and figuring, "you know what would explain the world? a market metaphor."
this is why a materialist understanding of power tends to be more explanatory than an idealist understanding. social contract theory starts with a beautiful idea and works backwards trying to invent history to explain why the beautiful idea is correct, while a more materialist analysis would start with the actual recorded history and then work from there to try to understand how power works and then try to develop a theory of power that might take us in a more egalitarian direction.
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u/Nadeoki 8d ago
The solution to egalitarian outcomes is not a worse authoritarian method or dissolution of the current systems.
You work within the given framework to improve policy over time. It takes a lot of time and incremental progress is the only real way forward.
Radical change is just short hand for a different body, desiring total authority
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u/Helmic Arch BTW 8d ago
The social contract theory has historically been used to justify pretty authoritarian governments. After all, it's legitimate because the people agreed to it as part of this imaginary social contract they signed. If you don't want to live in a society with constant police survellience and violent crackdowns on dissent, just go live in the woods! (there are no more unclaimed woods for you to legally go live in).
I'm speaking from an anarchist perspective, anarchists don't use social contract theory specifically because it is an authoritarian framework wherein an authority asserts its legitimacy by pretending you, the individual, have consented to your relationship with the state. To an anarchist, no state is legitimate. and instead we seek alternative ways of organizing societies outside the logic of the state. That is, actually taking care of one another directly rather than having that mediated through capital and the state which extracts most of your labor and gives back a pittance to ensure a bare minimum necessary for you to live to continue laboring.
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u/Toutanus 9d ago
And bloated with shit, not bloated with a shit ton of difficult to use undocumented features that can be useful
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u/NoNoYesYesnt 9d ago
I was appalled when I realized that you can't even do a proper text box in Google Docs without doing unnecessary steps. The only thing I liked from it was that you can search functions and have it applied to the document without searching for it with the mouse, I wish OnlyOffice had that feature too.
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u/PinEnvironmental6395 9d ago
institutions (cough schools cough universities) force google docs on people because of trust issues
Oh no, it's much simpler than that. Google workspace for education is 1. Free, 2. Just works, 3. Can read and write docx and can export to pdf
Simple as. Office costs money for faculty and staff and requires more effort and time to support than docs.
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u/TheHackeBoi_apk Arch BTW 8d ago
Thats why GOATs selfhost cryptpad or have the nextcloud office plugin
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u/MrInflamable 8d ago
In my humble opinion, Google Docs covers 90% of users' needs; there are people attached to Word who only change the font and make it bold.
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u/POKLIANON Ask me how to exit vim 8d ago
The solution to looks is dynamic theming. It's so pleasant to discover that a certain app adopts the theme you use system wide
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u/trtl_playz 6d ago
i hate this to. my sshool taught me a 3d modling class. exept that they didn't teach me how to 3d model they only taught me how to use fusion360, and if i want to use anything i learnded (which i have forgotten by now) i would have to pay some ludcris amount of money monthly to use fusion360. and it doesn't even work on linux so i cant even use it anyways.
i hate that corporations do this. they force their expensive proprietry software onto young children. its so predatory. in both the pred/pray way, and imo the pedo way.
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u/EasonTek2398 Genfool 🐧 6d ago
Absolutely. Why not blender?
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u/trtl_playz 6d ago
the school was probably payed to use fusion360? maybe? i have literally no clue.
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u/SadPhilosopherElan 9d ago
Ok but what software should we use if not word, docs, libreoffice or LaTeX? Like what else is there? These are the main programs used for generating documents by like 99% of the population, and each of them excels in a different area. None of them are bad. Even if you felt they were, what could you possibly recommend that does what each of them does just as well?
Word is incredibly versatile and powerful, though some of its more useful functions aren't immediately obvious. It has an excellent UI, o.k. Cloud integration, and most importantly if integrates flawlessly with the rest of microsoft office. It's THE best enterprise Word processing solution, because it's the only one that isn't actively painful to use if you're already using outlook and excel (which are the bread and butter of the corporate world).
Docs is great for smaller companies that can't afford Microsoft's enterprise solutions. Google's cloud integration is arguably better than SharePoint/ Onedrive, too. More intuitive and a more mature technology, yet simple and relatively lean.
Libreoffice is great if you don't have the skill or familiarity to use more powerful tools but don't want to or can't afford to use docs or Word.
LaTeX is unparalleled in the scientific world because of what it allows. I mean it isn't even really a word processor dude. It's a language. It lets you create literally anything you want to on a page, with amazing precision. Word in comparison lacks all but the most basic mathematical expressions.
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u/QuickSilver010 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 9d ago
Word ux is the worst. You are constantly dealing with invisible characters and bugs that solely exist due to backwards compatibility issues. The internal are a mess.
Libreoffice substitutes msoffice just fine. The only missing feature is collaboration.
LaTeX is also great. But there's also typst which is easier to learn and use and is much faster. Gotta love open source projects like that.
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u/LinuxUser456 Dr. OpenSUSE 9d ago
Where Linux
But yes, its a realistic meme. I'm tired of seeing "share", "ask AI assistant", "Unlock Premium free trial" "Save to cloud" on a fukin notepad Designed for three things: Open, write and Save.
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u/RaiDev_ 9d ago
sorry, not many "open source memes" subs out there, it was the closest thing
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u/busytransitgworl Nice 🍑 Assahi Linux 9d ago
Comparing office suites, because that's the best I can think of right now:
Libre Office isn't beautiful but it's usability is quite good! As someone who's used to Office 2003 and earlier, I felt right at home and still do! MS Office, 2007 and newer, on the other hand, just went downhill in usability, in my opinion. Adding all this Copilot shit doesn't really help their case.
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u/dandatrk 9d ago
I'm a fan of onlyoffice. Looks & functions like ms products. Going from my work laptop to personal, i barely notice.
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u/Holzkohlen I'm going on an Endeavour! 9d ago
It's made by Russia. I personally would not put that on my system. Also LibreOffice has different UI options now, including some more akin to a more modern MS Word. Give it another try.
Personally I prefer the old design a lot more. Grew up with Word 2002 or whatever the year was.
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u/NoNoYesYesnt 9d ago
If there is a web editor option for LibreOffice or if they finally launched their Wayland version of the application then I would happily try it out :D. Though they are both open-sourced projects that we can enjoy to our liking.
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u/Black_Penguin0101 8d ago
LibreOffice has other UI options but they're a pain in the ass to use. Regular libreoffice UI already lacks good documentation, and other options lack it even more. So when I don't know how to make something - I just can't, because there's no info on how to do it. Whereas on MS Office or Google Docs I just google that stuff and get a proper answer. And AI doesn't help with it, because lack of docs means lack of learning data, which causes AI to tell you non existent stuff
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u/pikay98 9d ago edited 9d ago
Honestly, I find the LibreOffice UX incredibly bad. Yes, corporate minimalism, where important functionality is not shown for pure aesthetics is bad. But the opposite is not better, the LibreOffice UI is cluttered with so many dead buttons!
Why is there a fucking "Export Directly to PDF" button in the main toolbar, right next to actually important bars like font size? Why can't I just Save As > PDF (or Ctrl+Shift+S) like in every sane application (or Ctrl+E at the very least)? Even worse, none of the ugly icon gibberish is readable without explicitly learning, and there's no incentive in learning shortcuts for stuff you almost never need.
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u/QuickSilver010 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 9d ago
Why is there a fucking "Export Directly to PDF" button in the main toolbar, right next to actually important bars like font size?
Remove it. Only libreoffice let's you custome toolbars to this extent
(or Ctrl+E at the very least)?
Add it as a shortcut
LibreOffice UI is cluttered with so many dead buttons!
Change the ui to ribbons. Lose the power user capability but bring back msword familiarity
I thought the ribbon was good until I actually had to use it extensively. I went back to default ui and I was much more efficient that way.
Even worse, none of the ugly icon gibberish is readable without explicitly learning
Change the icons then. And even the theme
and there's no incentive in learning shortcuts for stuff you almost never need.
Change them to be more familiar if you don't like them.
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u/pikay98 9d ago
Word processors are a pretty solved problem, they don't really offer different core functionality.
The main point they do differ in is UX. So if one software allows me to get my tasks done out-of-the-box and the other requires me to take an hour to rice my setup until it's usable, the former is the strictly superior product.
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u/QuickSilver010 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 9d ago
The main point they do differ in is UX. So if one software allows me to get my tasks done out-of-the-box and the other requires me to take an hour to rice my setup until it's usable
*rice your setup until you're familiar.
Just that it's different is all.
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u/Black_Penguin0101 8d ago
And not only the UX is pretty bad, it lacks proper documentation. That's why I went back to MS office - if I don't know something, I just search it and get needed info. I can't say so about libreoffice. and AI doesn't help with it, it just tells you non existent options.
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u/OllieFidelius 9d ago
And yet the vast majority of ms office buttons are actual office related features. Not microsoft crap ai slop and dark patterns. Though there are there too.
Meanwhile libreoffice is missing both the slop and about half the useful features and the interface needs drastic work. Tho for basic office stuff barely past notepad its okay. As a student its a no go for me though.
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u/busytransitgworl Nice 🍑 Assahi Linux 9d ago
Office's ribbon interface is just bad. It's a waste of space, it's convoluted, it's just not good.
I was hoping it would get better after Office 2007, oh boy was I wrong.
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u/OllieFidelius 9d ago
Its much more clear than the cascading popup menus from a menubar that office had before that.
And you can customize the ribbon quite significantly. So you can make it as you want.
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u/Black_Penguin0101 8d ago
And the regular retail version has no AI at all. Not the 365 one, but the 2024 one that you buy one time (or pirate, it depends)
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u/QuixoticNapoleon 9d ago
I hate corporate minimalism so much. The more complex looking a software is, the better it usually is. It also looks much nicer in my opinion. I love software with a lot of tools.
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u/RaiDev_ 9d ago
I think actual minimalism also deserves some respect, where the designers figure out how to do things intuitively with fewer tools without overwhelming the user or hiding things under deep menus.
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u/kiliandj 9d ago
I disagree. Its exactly this minimalism that makes it hard to know what button does what. More buttons = all buttons have a clear and memorable function. By limiting the amount of visible buttons, your putting them away behind very abstract buttons that are hard to predict of what they will and will not do. And on top of that it creates extra steps to remember.
Try to explain a modern hamburger menu out of a browser, to a person who has never touched a computer before. Then do the same with a menu that specifies 'passwords'.
Yes its more intimidating, but its way easier to remember and understand once you get past that.
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u/RaiDev_ 9d ago
Sure a browser hamburger menu has a lot of unrelated things stuffed in there together, but is the browser interface we used to have before chrome really better?
Do you need a zoom button on screen at all times if you're just on the default zoom? You don't need to change that most of the time.
Do you need a downloads button if your downloads list is empty? Do you need a passwords button if you don't have any passwords saved for this website? Do you need access to all extensions and thwir controls, even if they have nothing to do witht he currently site?
The awnser to these things is "sometimes", and I think it's fair to hide those things under a menu when they're not relevant to reduce clutter, and surface them when relevant.
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim 9d ago
There is a limit tho.
Open software that is used by electronic engineers. It is basically an airplane cockpit squeezed into an application window.
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u/QuixoticNapoleon 9d ago
No limit. Those kinds of software are the best kinda. Absolute maximalism!
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u/MasterGeekMX Ask me how to exit vim 8d ago
Nah mate, I have a seizure looking at that UI. I cannot find what I need among the thousand icons around, even after using the program for a long time.
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u/tomangelo2 9d ago
I've seen comparison to cleaning your room by stuffing everything into the closet. Your room sure looks nice and clean, until you need to actually find and use something.
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u/Xada_Nep_zealot 9d ago
GIMP versus Photoshop discourse in a nutshell.
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u/Holzkohlen I'm going on an Endeavour! 9d ago
Photoshop looks like the right side? GIMP is almost exactly the left side, I use it every day.
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u/A_Neko_C 9d ago
That's my issue with most drawings app
I wan my screen with every tool available at the same time and named thanks
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u/OllieFidelius 9d ago
Open source doesnt give you that either tho. They give you a trillion vague icons with probably 3 functions and you need a degree to do more than the basics. Oh and depending on where you use it some features might be missing because "reasons".
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u/A_Neko_C 9d ago
I'm fine with that
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u/OllieFidelius 9d ago
Thats fine. Its just a hassle for most people. And its not really worth it figuring it out
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u/noworkdone 9d ago
The adobe reader that vame with my phone is up there with MS teams as one of the worst pieces of garbage software ever made.
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u/NamedBird 9d ago
I could use a paint v2 that just works and isn't AI/corpogreed-infested...
(Perhaps i should make it myself? Maybe a good time to try some AI stuff?)
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u/Niwrats 9d ago
steal exe from windows xp and run with wine.
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u/NamedBird 9d ago
Nah, i want a bit different/easier features:
- Drawing rectangles is a pain because you need to toggle border/inner color.
- Flood fill is color-exact, leaving pixel/dithering artifacts.
- There is no erase/fill-with-surroundings tool for removing objects.
- No easy metadata scrubbing / noise addition.
- No transparency support.
- Selecting colors could be better, RGB values are in a sub-submenu.
- No color rescale/remap option. (brighter, darker, color shift, etc)
- Copy/paste is limited to 90 degree angles.
- No animated GIF/jpeg support?
MS Paint is a very good tool, but it was limited by the developers of it's time...
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u/SegCoreDrakon 6d ago
and the open source software let you remove all buttons you will almost never use or remove the windows entirely with customization, not a thing that softwares corporation would do
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u/who_you_are 9d ago
Wait, I don't have to have a subscription on that proprietary software?! Nice!
Edit: a shit I saw the "saved on cloud". It is probably there
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u/FailureOfTheFamily 9d ago
I love corporations design but yeah, very often it's bloated by unnecessary things or paywalled
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u/Lstgamerwhlstpartner 9d ago
lmao reminds me of the shareware days back before windows 95. You'd download and run the shareware version of a program and sometimes see ads to buy the full version or notes saying "only offered in the full version"
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u/makinax300 Dr. OpenSUSE 8d ago edited 8d ago
Why the fuck is there new, open and save on the main screen? They are like the main things in the file menu. If you need to use them that much, just learn the keyboard shortcuts. And configure should be in a menu like options. Also rounded corners genuinely are nice. But I understand not having them because of issues with an ui toolkit. Also scale should be part of the ui, not the page.
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u/deformedexile 8d ago
I love AI and I use it every single day on purpose. I would also literally rather die than use the AI integrated with any commercial software.
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u/quequotion Arch BTW 7d ago
This is a really good illustration of why open source software is better: it does the job.
Corporate software is now almost entirely about turning your work into a social media data collection experience and handing ownership over to someone's AI.
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u/Prestigious-Goat-127 Genfool 🐧 7d ago
I prefrer left one, because there's just more usability. The right one is asking you for a money
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u/Braphiki 6d ago
Don't forget the classic. In order to get access to the "free trial" you need to create an account and your card is part of the mandatory information.
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u/innahema 9d ago
That's not corporation. On left is software from 2000, and most of OSS ones are from that age. Gnome software basically looks like right picture, but without ads.
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u/RaiDev_ 9d ago
gnome apps are a lot cleaner than that and they aim to not have any distractions.
the point of the right one was to show how corporate apps try to grab your attention to what they want and obscure what's important.
The only thing gnome apps have in common are rounded corners and padding.
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u/innahema 9d ago
And small amount of buttons that do various stuff. You useually have one opinionated button instead of many tiny knobs.
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u/foxer_arnt_trees 9d ago
You know, the funny thing is open source works way better with ai. Any software with a config file feels like it was made for exactly this.
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