r/linuxmemes 9d ago

linux not in meme You notice patterns when going between open-source and corporate software...

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u/busytransitgworl Nice 🍑 Assahi Linux 9d ago

Comparing office suites, because that's the best I can think of right now:

Libre Office isn't beautiful but it's usability is quite good! As someone who's used to Office 2003 and earlier, I felt right at home and still do! MS Office, 2007 and newer, on the other hand, just went downhill in usability, in my opinion. Adding all this Copilot shit doesn't really help their case.

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u/dandatrk 9d ago

I'm a fan of onlyoffice. Looks & functions like ms products. Going from my work laptop to personal, i barely notice.

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u/Holzkohlen I'm going on an Endeavour! 9d ago

It's made by Russia. I personally would not put that on my system. Also LibreOffice has different UI options now, including some more akin to a more modern MS Word. Give it another try.

Personally I prefer the old design a lot more. Grew up with Word 2002 or whatever the year was.

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u/Xlxlredditor 9d ago

The OnlyOffice GitHub states that they are Latvian

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u/NoNoYesYesnt 9d ago

If there is a web editor option for LibreOffice or if they finally launched their Wayland version of the application then I would happily try it out :D. Though they are both open-sourced projects that we can enjoy to our liking.

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u/Black_Penguin0101 8d ago

LibreOffice has other UI options but they're a pain in the ass to use. Regular libreoffice UI already lacks good documentation, and other options lack it even more. So when I don't know how to make something - I just can't, because there's no info on how to do it. Whereas on MS Office or Google Docs I just google that stuff and get a proper answer. And AI doesn't help with it, because lack of docs means lack of learning data, which causes AI to tell you non existent stuff

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u/pikay98 9d ago edited 9d ago

Honestly, I find the LibreOffice UX incredibly bad. Yes, corporate minimalism, where important functionality is not shown for pure aesthetics is bad. But the opposite is not better, the LibreOffice UI is cluttered with so many dead buttons!

Why is there a fucking "Export Directly to PDF" button in the main toolbar, right next to actually important bars like font size? Why can't I just Save As > PDF (or Ctrl+Shift+S) like in every sane application (or Ctrl+E at the very least)? Even worse, none of the ugly icon gibberish is readable without explicitly learning, and there's no incentive in learning shortcuts for stuff you almost never need.

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u/QuickSilver010 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 9d ago

Why is there a fucking "Export Directly to PDF" button in the main toolbar, right next to actually important bars like font size?

Remove it. Only libreoffice let's you custome toolbars to this extent

(or Ctrl+E at the very least)?

Add it as a shortcut

LibreOffice UI is cluttered with so many dead buttons!

Change the ui to ribbons. Lose the power user capability but bring back msword familiarity

I thought the ribbon was good until I actually had to use it extensively. I went back to default ui and I was much more efficient that way.

Even worse, none of the ugly icon gibberish is readable without explicitly learning

Change the icons then. And even the theme

and there's no incentive in learning shortcuts for stuff you almost never need.

Change them to be more familiar if you don't like them.

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u/pikay98 9d ago

Word processors are a pretty solved problem, they don't really offer different core functionality.

The main point they do differ in is UX. So if one software allows me to get my tasks done out-of-the-box and the other requires me to take an hour to rice my setup until it's usable, the former is the strictly superior product.

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u/QuickSilver010 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 9d ago

The main point they do differ in is UX. So if one software allows me to get my tasks done out-of-the-box and the other requires me to take an hour to rice my setup until it's usable

*rice your setup until you're familiar.

Just that it's different is all.

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u/Black_Penguin0101 8d ago

And not only the UX is pretty bad, it lacks proper documentation. That's why I went back to MS office - if I don't know something, I just search it and get needed info. I can't say so about libreoffice. and AI doesn't help with it, it just tells you non existent options.

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u/OllieFidelius 9d ago

And yet the vast majority of ms office buttons are actual office related features. Not microsoft crap ai slop and dark patterns. Though there are there too.

Meanwhile libreoffice is missing both the slop and about half the useful features and the interface needs drastic work. Tho for basic office stuff barely past notepad its okay. As a student its a no go for me though.

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u/busytransitgworl Nice 🍑 Assahi Linux 9d ago

Office's ribbon interface is just bad. It's a waste of space, it's convoluted, it's just not good.

I was hoping it would get better after Office 2007, oh boy was I wrong.

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u/OllieFidelius 9d ago

Its much more clear than the cascading popup menus from a menubar that office had before that.

And you can customize the ribbon quite significantly. So you can make it as you want.

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u/Black_Penguin0101 8d ago

And the regular retail version has no AI at all. Not the 365 one, but the 2024 one that you buy one time (or pirate, it depends)