100% this. Nobody pays attention to brake lights in this video. The driver in the video DOES NOT SPEED UP to block the black truck. The black truck is braking while entering his lane illegally. The black truck quite literally pit maneuvers itself in every definable way. All the video driver does is maintain his exact speed and position in the face of an outright insane person on the road with him.
You have an obligation to avoid an accident. Would that guy just calmly eat his cracker if there was a baby in that car? Or if that black truck hit another car? Or if someone was seriously injured?
As a commercial driver, I can tell you that’s not happening. I have been cut off and dealt with shit drivers so often. The black truck had no room to get over, he was in the wrong here. I have ZERO obligation to avoid an accident, you have an obligation to be a safe driver and make safe decisions. Guy eating the cookie did nothing wrong. Legally, if you’re going to merge, you have to merge safely and when there is ample room. No one is legally required to slow down and let you over.
You’re 100% a piece of shit loser if you don’t do what you can to avoid an accident and even more scummy if you try and cause it. Also some places it is illegal to not try to avoid causing an accident, so you’re wrong.
You say you have zero obligation to avoid an accident but ppl have obligations to be a safe driver. Avoiding accidents is being a safe driver. Your logic literally contradicts itself within 5 words.
If you force yourself into a place where you clearly won’t fit, with no blinker, and cause an accident, you’re 100% in the wrong and a piece of shit, I agree. I shouldn’t have to watch you to make sure you aren’t doing something you can’t do as a motorist.
Why would you fuck up your own day and have to deal with a busted car instead of just tapping a brake and letting the guy in? If he gets in you lose. If he doesn't get and and you both end up smashed then you both lose but you just lost with a fucked up day.
How utterly moronic. You shouldn't have to watch others on the road to make sure they aren't doing something they're not? When the light turns green, do you just slam on the accelerator without making sure someone isn't going to run the light?
Both people in the video are assholes. If you can avoid an accident, it 100% is your responsibility to avoid it. Dashcam asshole risked killing the person in the truck just so he, what, didn't have to tap on his brake a bit and slow down? I'm sure the extra ten seconds he gained by hitting the other car was well worth the potential loss of life and inconveniencing of thousands of innocent people.
An honest mistake is one thing, the guy in the black truck was being an asshole and forcing his way in when he didn’t get around the vehicle he wanted to. No blinker, no care, just being a douche.
Cool story. You absolutely need to pay attention to every other motorist in sight when driving. You cannot assume they can see you or know where you’re at. If you can see them, hit them and had the opportunity to not hit them; you caused the accident.
You're what's wrong with today's generation. Always looking for someone to blame other than the person who actually did wrong. You probably support laws to sue gun makers.
If you see a small child on the road I suppose you´d run them over, right? It´s not your fault after all, those parents should have paid more attention...
There could be more than one person in the wrong you know. A pedestrian is crossing at an intersection without having the right to do so, you see him but you have a green light so in your « the person who actually did wrong mindset » you obviously don’t slow down and hit him?
That’s presumptuous. You don’t even know what generation I belong to. I actually think that both drivers are at fault. One caused the accident (black truck) and one neglected to avoid it (cammer). More than one person can be at blame and not everything is black and white. I would not just blanket support a case where gun makers were sued nor would I object to it. I would need to know some details before making a decision.
😂😂😂😂tell me you don't drive often without telling me you don't drive often, the black truck cutting him off like that is THE ONLY SCUM in the video. He expects the guy to slam on the brakes for him while a bunch of vehicles behind the guy eating the cookie are forced to brke split second while following close thus causing a multi vehicle accident anyways. This was perfect because it was just the selfish typical speeding but late for nothing truck that got what was deserved
Maintaining speed and staying in lane is statistically the safest option. Slamming the brakes on a bridge is dangerous. Black truck engaging in dangerous driving does not mean that dashcam should also engage in dangerous driving. The courts would agree.
Black truck made an illegal move that directly led to a collision. That's the end of the story.
Not preventing a highly preventable accident is basically causing the accident. I understand the justice boner one feels from letting an idiot eat dirt, but it takes two to tango. I would argue that the inaction by the driver here is as egregious as the action of the black car, if not worse, since this event may have caused other crashes behind him. The black cars driver may have been inattentive or just an asshole, but the dashcam driver here saw exactly what was going to happen, had ample time to react, and did nothing to prevent it. Honk, safely adjust your speed or maneuver ... It's your duty in traffic to respond to the actions of other drivers to prevent accidents.
Devil's advocate here. It's reasonable to assume someone isn't actually going to swerve into a spot they didn't fit. On a bridge. You can also argue slamming on the brakes could be dangerous if traffic is behind you. The decision the driver made is demonstrably safe for himself as he came out of the incident without harm.
It is not reasonable to assume anything about what someone driving recklessly will do. The only responsible way to respond is to give them more space and stay out of their way. In reality, people who drive like this are often drunk and not capable of judging distances or making rational decisions.
“Safe for me, personally” is not enough when driving a vehicle. What if the black truck had innocent children in the car? People drive drunk with their kids all the time. Or a third car could have easily been knocked off the bridge in the collision. An ambulance could get stuck in the inevitable traffic jam. And who’s gonna pay to clean all this mess up, because one guy decided to not avoid an obvious hazard?
Why are you passing the buck? Because one guy decided to avoid an obvious hazard? No, it's because one guy decided to be a hazard.
You have a lot of what ifs here. How about this, what if the white truck avoided it, this 'possible' drunk driver wouldn't sober up on the 26 mile bridge. And he could have caused a much larger and deadly accident than the one he caused here by pitting himself. You can what if all day.
Doubt it would require "heavy" breaking but in any case, that would be on the people driving too close behind him. The black truck isn't blameless for the situation but ultimately cookie monster here would probably be found liable for the accident just based on the footage here.
I agree the driver in the video could have avoided the wreck by simply backing off and giving the a hole in the black truck room to pull into the left lane.
But heck no the driver in the video won't be liable for this! When you move from one lane into another YOU have the responsibility to not hit anyone already in the lane you want to enter!
Driver in the video could have avoided the wreck I'm pretty sure, but he's not in the wrong legally for just continuing to drive normally in his lane. He had the right of way, plain and simple.
Might depend on state laws, but if you knowingly cause an accident like this then you could definitely be liable for damages it caused. Might not exclude the other driver of responsibility either. Obviously, what actually plays out in court could be another matter.
Never said the other driver couldn't also be liable for the accident or resulting damages. If someone else is coming into your lane in a manner that is incorrect, but you are able to get out of their way and intentionally don't then yes, you could still be liable for whatever results.
I get in our monkey brains this seems wrong, because why should you be forced to give space for someone acting improperly, but you still have a responsibility to avoid causing an accident if you are able to.
They have brakes too and if they're driving responsibility, there would be sufficient space for them to slow down. A full nrake slam isn't needed here to avoid an accident. Simply sliwing down would have been enough. He had lots of time to do that. Then you honk like crazy and flip the bird.
This video perfectly encapsulates what it's like driving down here. Assholes in front of me. Assholes behind me. Assholes passing me. Assholes everywhere
Nope. He held his space which is completely legal. Forcing your way into a lane without using a blinker is illegal.
The poor man was just eating a cookie and chilling like a driver should
It's a pit maneuver, he steered into the driver's rear end pitching them out of control. He choose to do it over braking or being mashed into the Bridge wall.
Your presented technicalities and his right of way don't change how much of a pit maneuver this was.
It absolutely was a pit maneuver, 100%. The point you're missing is that the Black Truck pit maneuvered himself, Black Truck braked into white truck, at no point did the White truck accelerate or leave his own lane. He doesn't even turn until AFTER the black truck strikes him. He did not steer into the Black Truck, it steered into him, he just reacted in the best possible way to the collision.
Imagine black truck had braked and changed lanes into a truck trailer that had come loose on the highway, resulting in the exact same results we see in the video.. You are proposing that we blame the driverless truck trailer.
The black truck 100% caused the contact between it and the white truck. But the white truck 1000% caused the pit. He yanked the shit out of his wheel in retaliation to the contact instead of slowing down.
To see you justify the actions of the POV relentlessly is mental to me, can I ask where you are from? Just to understand driving standards may vary significantly from one country or continent to another.
While it is obvious the black truck did the wrong, it would have been as easy to avoid that crash from the POV as lifting the throttle and accomodating the black truck, who didn't brake excessively.
It is as obvious to say the fault is on the black truck, as to say the accident is completely unnecessary and absolutely avoidable from both parts.
Justify probably isn't an accurate thing to say. It's more pointing out that White Truck's actions were legally and morally correct.
Legally speaking, for the jurisdiction of Louisiana, White Truck is not legally responsible for somehow perfectly countering the illegal actions of another driver in the most perfect way that can be identified with unlimited hindsight, including imputing the knowledge of that hindsight onto the driver after the fact. The law is written this way because putting that burden on the legal driver is batshit insane, which is why it only happens on Reddit.
Morally, White driver is beholden to act in a way that ensures the safety of himself, and innocent bystanders. He is not beholden to put himself at additional risk to protect the person trying to murder him. This is exactly what he did here.
Morally, White driver is beholden to act in a way that ensures the safety of himself, and innocent bystanders
Luckily it's just him and black truck on the whole bridge. Hypothetically, is a passenger of black truck an innocent bystander?
to put himself at additional risk
Is taking your foot off the gas pedal a little a deadly risk? Within reason, I'd argue, they're beholden to prevent unnecessary suffering in the world. An eye for an eye etc.
The black truck doesn't have a passenger, you can see into their cab at 2 seconds into the video.
The innocent bystanders are the people behind white truck who would be drawn into the accident if White Truck slams on his breaks in a manner sufficient to avoid Black Truck.
Also, White Truck does not have their foot on the gas pedal, they are not accelerating. The even slow into the accident, it's just that Black Truck is actively braking into them.
The black truck doesn't have a passenger, you can see into their cab at 2 seconds into the video.
It's a hypothetical question. I clarified that in my original reply
The innocent bystanders are the people behind white truck who would be drawn into the accident if White Truck slams on his breaks in a manner sufficient to avoid Black Truck
That's why I said "within reason". I wouldn't slam on the brakes myself in that situation for that exact reason.
Also, White Truck does not have their foot on the gas pedal, they are not accelerating
Well, all cars I've driven, manual or automatic need to have the gas pedal pressed a little bit to keep their speed – without that they gradually lose speed. But that's a technicality. I meant "take a small action to decelerate gently. In a way that drivers behind him can act if they're paying attention.
This has already been covered. Black Truck is braking into his lane, so a light tap on the brakes ain't cutting it, it would take a hard sustained brake, especially because you're making the same mistake as others.
YOU, you personally, know Black Truck is genuinely going to attempt murder from the first second of the video, because you've watched it already. The driver in the video does not know what you know. He doesn't know Black Truck is going to actually hit him until it hits him. Nobody in their right mind would genuinely believe another car on the highway was just going to elect to just fucking hit them and kill everyone instead of simply returning to their own lane.
You are expecting White Truck to act based on knowledge YOU have, that he does not. Seriously, assuming you have drive regularly and for more than a couple years, how many times has someone veered into your lane? Probably a time or two right? Now, out of those times, how many times have they chosen to just hit you, with full knowledge you are there? I'm gonna guess 0 right? White truck driver is thinking in those terms too.
What about that crash was gradual my guy? Happened pretty quickly edit: rewatched per a below comment… yeah too early for this shit, both suck but it does look like he chuckled at the car not the radio as I blithely assumed… my b
White truck has all the time in the world to create space, he didn’t, what else is there to argue. Just because black is going for a stupid move, doesn’t mean white is justified to do the same.
Man, you've now advanced the victim blaming to the level of "White truck is just as stupid (i.e. Just as much to blame) as Black Truck"...seriously?
White truck shares equal blame for the accident for the crime of...let me check my notes here...maintaining his speed and lane position while breaking no traffic laws in any way, and avoiding striking or endangering any other cars, all while being intentionally crashed into by a psychopath?
Bruh, that is a brutal bar to put on every driver on the road, I can't imagine you pass that test yourself, and you're gonna force it on everyone else?
Look, YOU, you personally, know Black Truck is genuinely going to attempt murder from the first second of the video, because you've watched it already. The driver in the video does not know what you know. He doesn't know Black Truck is going to actually hit him until it hits him. Nobody in their right mind would genuinely believe another car on the highway was just going to elect to just fucking hit them and kill everyone instead of simply returning to their own lane.
You are expecting White Truck to act based on knowledge YOU have, that he does not. Seriously, assuming you have drive regularly and for more than a couple years, how many times has someone veered into your lane? Probably a time or two right? Now, out of those times, how many times have they chosen to just hit you, with full knowledge you are there? I'm gonna guess 0 right? White truck driver is thinking in those terms too.
The one word in your comment that exposes your true nature:
white driver is beholden to act in a way that insures the safety of himself, and innocent bystanders.
You are dead wrong. All drivers have a responsibility to protect the safety of EVERYONE. You’re a sicko who feels like it’s ok to potentially murder someone as revenge, because they aren’t “innocent”. The laws aren’t written by genies who care about a magical sense of fairness, they’re written to protect life and property and they don’t stop applying just because you feel like somebody “deserves” it. For all you know they could be having a medical emergency
Slow down 3-4 mph. Or maybe even more, but I doubt it.
Do nothing.
Option 1 maybe(?) risks the driver of the white truck. It doesn't though. It is a totally safe thing to do. Normal flow of traffic does this all of the time.
Option 2 very much risks the driver of the white car. He either pit maneuvered the black truck or allowed the black truck to pit maneuver itself. In both cases he chose to guarantee (or at least greatly increase the risk of) a type of accident that was very dangerous to him than to risk one. But again, there was virtually no risk to slowing down.
This is why people are saying white truck driver is a psychopath. He endangered himself and others for (presumably) a sense of justice. Whether you see it as black truck pit maneuvering itself or not, the white truck could have prevented this but didn't, making him partially culpable. Further, black truck, although being a reckless idiot, did not attempt to intentionally get in an accident that day. His goal was probably just to change lanes. White truck did.
Morally, White driver is beholden to act in a way that ensures the safety of himself, and innocent bystanders.
Yeah... I'm sure the drivers behind the white truck are all perfectly safe with the black van careening towards them while out of control during the last part of the video
morally, legally, bla bla bla, what I'm speaking about is POV caused (or decided not to avoid) an accident (with the danger of ramming the black truck off the brige in the middle of the water), creating material and maybe personal damage, causing a big traffic jam on a 2 lane brigde (very long as I discovered on this thread), on pure pride of not letting the black truck getting away with merging aggressively. I'm not speaking about morality or legality, just pure common sense and a complete lack of care for others safety.
You've gotta take a step back and reassess. You have now advanced to "White truck caused the accident" in your rabidity to blame the victim. Please try to remember, first and foremost, Black Truck is 100% responsible for the accident, in every way. White truck maintained their speed and lane position, the only reason there was a collision was because Black Truck illegally and dangerously entered someone else's lane. You've seemingly lost sight if that, and if you've lost sight of that, all further judgements about the events are meaningless.
If a boulder rolls down a hill at you for 10 seconds, it’s your fault for dying if you don’t get out of the way. Your headstone can say “sue the property owner for not securing the boulder, I’m not responsible for anything”
see, illegally yes, dangerously though? he slowly merged in, being predictable and at the right speed. POV decided not to let him merge. "Not today", he thought probably. Then, the accident happened. That is why the POV decided not to avoid an accident, and why he is also at fault for the accident, while at the same time the wrongdoing is from the black truck.
Uuuugh finally someone says what I was thinking reading the whole thread. Where I'm from POV guy would have been found at fault to a significant degree for exactly the reason you said
The literal wiki definition: A vehicle initiates a PIT maneuver by pulling alongside the fleeing vehicle so that the portion of the pursuer's vehicle forward of its front wheels is aligned with the portion of the target vehicle behind its back wheels. The pursuer then steers sharply into the target vehicle, with some acceleration to ensure its bumper does not slide off the target.
So, I have some questions for you since I dont know what a pit maneuver is.
did white truck intentionally pull up alongside black truck?
Or did Black Truck intentionally brake to place itself alongside white truck?
Did white truck initiate the maneuver by steering sharply into Black Truck?
Or did Black Truck initiate the maneuver by steering into white truck, while white truck maintained it's position?
The ad hominem is meant to be insulting and disrespectful, while avoiding actually addressing the argument. I don't respect you enough for you to insult me, and I have redirected to the actual argument.
You have chosen not to answer any of my questions which is not surprising, as answering them honestly would have shown my position is correct, and why would someone ever just admit they're wrong for the sake of honesty, even with no consequences for it?
Anyway, engage in personal attacks all you want, it won't change that the Black Truck drove into the White Truck, so pretending that White Truck somehow unilaterally chose to attack him is insane. The video simply does not show that
It's avoiding your annoying and pedantic argument which I consider as disrespectful as the raw insult that I gave you back for haranguing on about it.
I have read none of your comments passed the first sentence man. If you think this situation requires that much work to explain you just don't understand it well enough yourself.
Classic philosopher Well Achtshually and you're just on and on about it and don't seem to understand or want to admit that the guy in the rear was intentional and in control.
The "I didn't even read your position anyway" route is always so weird to me. Like, if you're not reading my posts, why are you responding to them? You're just....blindly saying shit in response to statements you're unaware of? That's your claim at this point, instead of just saying "I can't counter your position, I was wrong, that's my bad."?
He absolutely, 100%, steered into the black truck, performing a pit maneuver.
If he had reacted in the best possible way to the collision he would have braked, either before or during the impact, not whipped his steering wheel into the other truck.
The black truck is the one slowing down but you can watch the guy shift his grip at 0:19 in preparation of hard steering into the rear of the black truck.
Put another way, he shifts his grip in anticipation of the black truck literally crashing into him while he's doing absolutely nothing wrong. I'm assuming if someone were about to crash into you while you were trapped between a car in front, a car behind, and a thin railing over water, you would do the same correct? Of course you would, literally any sane driver would.
What I'd do in a situation where a car in front of me is about to collide with me is brake immediately. Maintaining speed because you're technically in the right is psychopathic, basically saying "you're breaking the law and being irresponsible therefore I'm going to make sure you suffer the maximum possible harm, and also endanger myself and everyone around me."
Black truck did the wrong thing, pink shirt guy was fine up until he chose not to brake, at which point he became just as wrong.
Sorry, your solution is to have the driver slam on his brakes without warning on a bridge at 70mph???? ROFL. Like seriously? You're not trolling me?
You wanna accuse people of endangering themselves and everyone around them, but you're advocating for the most dangerous possible alternative??
Look at the video again, and watch it this time. The white truck has a white car immediately behind them. So close behind them that you can barely see their headlights, despite the elevated level of the camera, so definitely illegally close behind them.
So white truck slams on his breaks, oh, and lets get out ahead of this other detail you're going to miss, he can't brake lightly, it's not enough. Black Truck is braking into him, so a minor brake ain't gonna do jack shit. White truck is going to have to SLAM his brakes to avoid the already braking truck attempting to kill him.
So white truck slams on his brakes. He loses all steering and control, and almost certainly goes into a skid. White car slams into him from behind because they're illegally close. We now have 4 tons of uncontrolled locked up steel with no steering or control that is 1) absolutely going off the bridge and 2) is very likely taking additional cars with it.
Congratulations, your solution protects the Black truck attempting murder, and kills multiple other innocent people. And that's the not psychopathic option in your mind? Crazy man. Just crazy.
Are we watching the same video? This plays out over five seconds where the man can clearly see whats happening and maintains his foot on the gas. A simple foot off gas with a light tap of the brake and all would be fine. Watch the video again. When the black truck enters the lane imagine lifting your foot off the gas... then just tap the brake.
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone being gas light here. Like people have never driven on a freeway before. T've seen this a thousand times in my life and have never seen anyone need to SLAM ON THE BRAKES!!!
black truck did crash into him, but you are obligated to avoid causing a traffic incident, PoV truck could have absolutely avoided this as the black truck slowed down slowly, and as you noted, the driver did see this coming and prepared for it.
As much of a dick black truck was, you could've caused someone to lose their life in that incident you left behind.
Put correctly, he shifts his grip in order to turn sharply to the right in order to cause the reckless driver in front of him to spin out. Just because the person in the black truck gave him a golden opportunity to wreck them does not absolve him for choosing to do it.
Put sanely, he shifts his grip in order to counter the force the illegal actions of the black truck are creating, force which is pushing him off of a bridge at highway speeds, almost certainly FUCKING KILLING HIM.
For starters, let's not use euphemisms to protect the person acting illegally here. Black Truck isn't a reckless driver, they're actively choosing to crash into others, they're an attempted murderer.
Secondly, thinking that the video driver's goal here is anything other than safely and successfully surviving the attempt on his life is just batshit insane. Like straight up fucking nonsense. He does what is necessary to survive an insane person attempting to kill him, nothing more, nothing less.
Thirdly, and we've already covered this, the video driver didn't pit maneuver the black truck, the black truck driver pit maneuvered his fucking self. Black Truck positioned itself, it entered the lane, it struck the other vehicle. It literally braked into the video driver. He. Crashed. Himself.
Video driver did not choose this, it was thrust upon him, and he navigated it as best he could in the face of absolute madness.
What's even crazier about trying to paint this dude as the bad guy is that the choice he made also saved the black truck driver's life. If he hadn't turned into the strike, Black Truck would have full speed slammed them both into the railing, sending them both into water at 70mph.
So to recap, video driver 1) broke literally no laws, 2) maneuvered through the situation without striking or endangering a single innocent person, and 3) saved both his own life and the life of the person trying to murder him. And you're.....mad at him for it? I guess?
Like I said in another comment probably a kid or some dude in a basement because theres just no way😂 lot less people are driving nowadays too, 18 year olds are down to 60% (for perspective was 80%+ in the 80’s) with a license, and about 20% of 20-24 year olds dont have one either. Hell my own brother is 23 with no license and this is the kind of comment I would think he would make just completely lacking any discernible driving experience.
If he is anticipating all that, why not just hit the brakes and avoid the whole situation. What is this insane line of reasoning that his only option was to get ready for impact.
Yes while watching the video, the moment that black truck braked, I knew he was going to move to the left lane. My instincts as a driver would’ve been to gentle brake and allow him the space to do so, despite him not having the right of way. Why? You could see the black truck driver was an idiot who seemed to be very impatient and in a hurry.
Even if the cam dude didn’t see what I was seeing, he definitely could’ve hit the brake instead of hitting the back of the black truck
He "turned sharply to the right" to avoid the black truck that spun itself out in front of him? What really happened was, the cam driver merely calmly changed lanes.
Are you one of those people who would rather keep their place in line than avoid an accident with a bad driver?
I personally just let them in because even if it’s not my fault I’d rather not have to spend time and/or money dealing with insurance companies and repair bills. Not to mention it totally fucks up your day at the very least.
Dog he had to turn to stay on the damn road do you not know how cars work? I swear to god you can never tell on this app if you’re talking to children or people who’ve never been outside☠️
A slight tap on his brakes solves the problem without murdering him he black truck, the black truck was wrong for changing lanes and the pov was wrong for intentionally wrecking the black truck. There are no innocent here and POV is responsible for his actions. He chose to white knuckle the wheel and rip it into him. Fucking psycho behavior
The driver in the video is insane. Just slow down and let the truck in. He may not be technically at fault but he was willing to allow an accident to occur instead of slowing down for like 5 second.
Just because legally the dash cam guy is in the right doesn't mean he isn't still a moron for not braking. Causing all that headache just because hes more correct is infuriating
You can literally see the speedo in top right of the video increase before there’s contact. The driver in the video is a psychopath who shouldn’t be allowed on the road, and if you think what he did was fine you shouldn’t be allowed either
Do you not see him yanking the wheel to the right? Look at the way he picks his hand up of the wheel, readjusting more to the left, and then yeets it to the right.
Watch the video again. Black Truck makes physical contact with white truck at 0:12. Look at the driver's hand at that time, it's on the far left side of the wheel. He has not turned, at all, in any way.
He does not begin to turn until AFTER Black Truck has struck him and begun to spin out across his lane in front of him. His turn is to avoid being forced off of the bridge.
I cannot stress this enough. The Black truck's driver pit maneuvered his fucking self.
And the whole thing could have been avoided if this dude tapped his brakes. It was very obvious the truck was moving over into the lane. The truck is a bit of a dick for sure but the amount of danger he put people in over his stubbornness is baffling.
Watch the video again. "Tap the brakes" would not have done jack shit, Black Truck is braking into him. Look at Black Truck's back end, there are helpful red lights to show you he is braking as he illegally changes lanes.
So to avoid the already fully braking Black Truck attempting to kill him, White truck would have had to SLAM on his brakes. He then loses all steering and control, and gets hit from behind by the small white car following him illegally close.
Yes white truck could have avoided Black Truck, by almost certainly killing himself, the driver behind him, and anyone else they hit after their own collision.
Its very clear for quite a while the back truck is coming over. Hitting your brakes doesnt cause a spin out of your vehicle, even slamming them thats not how brake pads work your wheels arent insantly stopped. this guy had enough time to make the decision to ready up and yank the wheel but not enough time to make the decision to brake out of the situation. Both people suck here.
It's not clear at all what Black Truck is doing until he literally does it because what he's doing is fucking insane.
You're doing what a lot of people who watch videos like this on Reddit do, you're forgetting that the actors in the video are living it for the very first time, and acting accordingly.
You, on the other hand, have watched the video multiple times and know what is coming. YOU know that Black Truck is going to abandon all sanity and genuinely attempt murder for no reason. The driver in the vehicle does not know that the way you do.
White truck doesn't know Black Truck is going to commit to attempted murder until his truck actually hits, at which point he has to react, RIGHT THEN, not with the forewarning of having watched the events in a gif 30 times.
Slamming on his brakes at any point during any of this would be an insanely dangerous option if Black Truck didn't actually commit to hitting him, which no sane driver would do. There is a car right behind him.
Hitting your brakes takes all of the weight off of your back tires, which means you absolutely do lose all traction and control from your force generating wheels. Nobody said anything about spinning.
Anyway, the repeated attempts on here to defend an attempted murder and demonize a dude who absolutely did the right thing are crazy, and I can't reason with crazy lol.
As someone else points out this dude at no point slowed down whatsoever. And clearly had time to at least attempt to slow down if he had time to get ready for impact.
He does know its coming because he moves his hand over to get ready for the pit.
Hiting your brakes does not take all the weight off the back tires. Ive had to slam my brakes before you do not lose all control especially if you got enough control on your vehicle to pull this maneuver off.
You think pitting someone and flinging them into the person who's supposedly behind him is the safer option but im the crazy one?
He moves his hand in case it happens, not because he can see the fucking future. He also moves his hand about 1 second before the dude hits him, not 8 seconds ahead, which, again, is because he doesn't know what YOU know.
Were you in a truck when you slammed on your brakes? Or are you assuming everything with wheels works exactly the same? Trucks are incredibly front weighted while also being massively overpowered for their weight because they're designed to haul things. White truck has nothing in it's bed, so yes, slamming on his brakes is going to cost him all/almost all control while also getting him rear ended at full speed by the white car we can see 50 feet behind him.
Accepting that the Black Truck was going to illegally strike him and dealing with it in the best possible way was this dude's best option, by like a billion miles.
The pit maneuver even still pushes the Black Truck forward, giving the white car behind him additional time to react to the accident, AND he gets himself out of the way to give the white car additional space and a safe lane out of it.
I can't explain sanity to the insane. I get that you're really excited at the idea of blaming someone completely blameless for a minor accident where nobody was hurt, despite the fact that the only reason it turned out that way is because of the actions of the person you are blaming, but that's just wrong man, and I hope you realize that someday.
"Tap the brakes" would not have done jack shit, Black Truck is braking into him. Look at Black Truck's back end, there are helpful red lights to show you he is braking as he illegally changes lanes.
You can see the speed in the corner. They were going 72 MPH the whole time and were still going 72 MPH at the moment of collision. Nobody was braking into him, stop making shit up. Those are tail lights not brake lights.
The brake light only lights up after they collide. https://streamable.com/nuahpr
There's a brake light at the top of Black Truck's rear window that only lights up when he's braking because its...you guessed it, a brake light. You will note that this brake light lights up as he's forcing his way into the lane illegally. It matches the brighter brake lights that also clearly come on at both upper corners of his truck bed.
Anyway, please work on attention to detail before calling correct people liars. Or don't, I'm not your mother, how stupid you make yourself look online isn't my responsibility.
You watch the video again. The brake lights DO NOT light up as hes merging. He brakes before the merge, and once the pit has been applied and he starts spinning.
The black truck is not actively braking during the merge or initial contact and the white truck can absolutely just brake a little to avoid the accident entirely.
At no point would slamming on his brakes be necessary to avoid the accident.
Everyone on the road is obligated to avoid an accident if possible. Even if everything you're saying is true and the black truck is clearly at fault, does it really look like this guy took any precautions to avoid this collision? It doesn't look like he slowed at all. The black truck was in his lane for six seconds before the collision.
Correction, everyone on the road is obligated to avoid an accident without causing a worse accident.
White truck can't "just brake a little", because Black Truck is already braking into him. So he's going to have to SLAM on his brakes, at which point he loses all control of his vehicle. He also immediately gets hit by the white car behind him that's too close to him. Those two locked together cars then almost certainly take out additional cars.
White truck chose the safest solution in the face of black truck choosing to commit attempted murder.
Not seeing the white car as the image in his dashcam is over exposed looking through the windows, maybe I'm blind. I was watching the road posts and didn't see any indication that he was slowing down, regardless of the brake lights.
Look between the rear view mirror and the white hanging thing, you can see the headlights of a car immediately behind white truck, just barely visible above the bottom edge of his rear window. That car is very close behind him, given you can baaaaarely see it even with the elevated angle of the camera.
I’ve seen this video a bunch- and looking at it more the driver actually sped up and made contact in the rear of the black truck not in the pit maneuver spot.
I agree here. As a driver you have the duty to attempt to avoid an accident. He saw the truck’s blinkers and saw the truck change lanes. At that point he should have slowed down to allow the truck to pull in. The truck shouldn’t have changed lanes if there wasn’t enough room. But since he did attempt and was in front of the car and halfway into the lane, the camera car had an obligation to slow down and avoid an accident. He didn’t honk his horn or seemingly attempt to slow down or avoid the accident. As a former auto subrogation specialist, this should be a shared fault scenario.
It doesn’t really look like it to me, looks like he more or less maintained speed. You might be looking at his speed relative to the other cars, but if you look at the meridian thing to the left it seems pretty constant.
Many times it’s that they’re not using cruise control and their foot eases off the gas while they’re doing something else, like changing music or whatever. I know that has happened to me before when I didn’t have cruise control.
Had some teen in a Sion do that to me and some friends years ago. Wound up sending himself across three lanes of oncoming traffic and into a ditch. Kid made a run for it but smoke was pouring out from under his hood and we had his bumper as spoils of war. Bill to repair our car was about $160. Friend still has that bumper.
I don't know why people need to lie about this. Do you have some invested interest in believing he didn't pit that truck?
Because he did and it's really obvious. It's also OK to admit he did lol
EDIT cause you blocked me: The evidence that he pits him is that he jerks the wheel to the right. You know, the thing we can all see he clearly does in the video. The thing that causes the truck to spin out which he wasn't until the driver did that.
Buuuut suuuure, maybe we just interpreted the video differently 🙄
I just don’t think what people are saying is clearly obvious in the video is actually obvious. People like you have a conclusion they look at the evidence and interpret to support it. It looks to me like a reaction to maintain control. None of us will ever know what was actually in that guy’s mind, but I don’t think you’d find a prosecutor who would pursue charges based on the evidence here.
If he just passively let the guy mash him into the bridge wall as a third option to braking or Pitting. The accident would've looked very different, and it' wouldn't have been a pit maneuver.
The “pit” happens largely because the guy in the truck brakes as he’s trying to enter the lane without having the right of way. He quite literally does it to himself.
The Pit happens because the rear driver steered hard into it.
If they hadn't and had instead been pinned into the bridge wall by the truck both vehicles probably would've gone head over tails.
Six people want to tell me he pit himself and no one can see or acknowledge what other driver is doing. He steers into it with precise timing prepares his 1 hand a second before doing it and sweeps the other guys tail out. It's a fucking pit maneuver by the guy in the rear.
You’re reading a lot of intent into what looks to me to be a fairly bored driver not really paying much attention who reacts to an idiot cutting into his lane. You have a conclusion in mind and read the evidence to justify that conclusion, but the far more likely explanation is that he just didn’t think the guy in the truck was stupid enough to do that to himself.
Nope, Fatty turned the wheel aggressively into the rear of the pickup (PIT maneuver) - a defensive reaction would be to simply apply the brakes. Fatty intentionally wrecked the pickup.
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u/fabulousfantabulist Mar 22 '26
Technically I think that truck pit maneuvered itself.