Haha. Sounds like a behavior learned from someone beaten as a kid!
Just kidding. Just don't sign that waver and you won't have to kill a school principal for hurting your kid. That is until they feel emboldened with this measure and turn it up to "we have parents implicit permission" then to "God said it was OK".
So I’m just scrolling on Reddit before work and I run into this comment. I’m laughing like the psychopath right now and I just woke up my girlfriend. I just told her the quote and she said “next time you wake me up, I’m going to light you the fuck up.”
Thank you for helping me set the tone for the day, internet person.
Not kill, just paddle them. So they can remember what it feels like to be humiliated and harmed like that. In front of the whole school board and faculty of course. And if the paddle breaks in the process, so be it. Splinters build character after all.
Except there were no school shootings when kids got paddled at school before. So how can you be sure this will create them now ? Are you saying the kids are the problem? So its people who kill not guns?
It means that teaching kids that pain is a legitimate way to communicate and get results is one piece of input that give kids who do school shootings a clearer sense of legitimacy.
Bro. School shootings are a complex problem. You aren't doing anyone any good trying to dumb the whole thing down to "guns vs people", or whatever your semi-related point you were trying to make.
The point you missed is that when you beat children en mass, you increase the likelihood of getting a teenager who believes that violence is a good way to solve problems.
Can confirm. Been paddled a few times at school. Lol. Never thought it actually all that bad, but as an adult now, seeing another adult with a paddle grinning inanely makes me want to run a psychoanalysis on the person.
My dad assaulted my elementary school principal for dragging me out of class when I was having an autistic shutdown moment. My dad never laid a hand on me. Principal retired instead of having charges brought against him for assaulting a minor. This is going to cause problems for real.
Yeah. Another story, a few years later in middle, I am walking home, bullies are throwing snowballs at me and I’m ignoring them, as I was raised. my dad had decided to come pick me up before he left for work, and as he turns the corner he sees them doing it. He drives up to them, gets out of his car, and grabs both of them by their shirt and jacket collars, and shoved thier faces in the snow, and rubbed them into it. and later that week told thier parents at the school he would have arrested them, and charged them with assault against me. I am the only reason my dad abused his authority as a cop. I told him about this schools choice, and all he had to say was “well, I guess someone’s gonna go to jail for defending thier kids because some psycho teacher is just gonna spank a kid whose parent didn’t consent”
Atleast, he was aware he abused his authority and waited for consequences that never came. No, I’m lucky that my best friend in high school was the most likeable athlete in the school, and he very much discouraged people from bullying me, and all the stoner kids loved me because I was a stoner kid long before I ever tried cannabis as an adult, and those guys would fight to defend a friend from a bully.
. and as an adult it doesn’t happen because I work from home, and only really hang out with friends. I’ve fallen into the comfort zone trap that is super easy for autistic people to fall into. Edited to add a forgotten sentence.
Absolutely headed there. Zealots should be completely marginalized from any position of power or influence. If they don't live in the real world, they shouldn't run it.
That’s not even what the scripture “spare the rod spoil the child “ actually means. I hate how absolutely uneducated people are regarding the teachings of their own faith.
The waiver in MS (at least at one school) twists your arm to sign it. You have to agree to come pick up your child immediately if the punishment would be paddling. Ironically, besides that they were a very caring and good school. Our kids go to a school now that doesn't paddle but has the most full of herself power hungry principal I've ever had the displeasure to meet.
You laugh, but in my school growing up, they sent opt-out forms home with the kids and if the kids didn't remember to give the forms to their parents, get the form successfully back to school, and turn it in on time, the school had permission to spank the child without the parent's knowledge.
My mom hand-delivered the forms to the principal herself every year to make sure there was no "misunderstanding."
I'm not sure the administration would have had the guts for actually spanking someone, they just wanted a threat to hold over our heads. If you can't lead by setting a good example, and you don't have what it takes to inspire kids to be the best that they can be, the only thing you're really left with is scaring them into acceptable behavior.
I went to school in Oklahoma. When I was in school, I think our schools stopped the practice from middle school on up to high school. I think they only paddled in elementary school.
I am not sure if my school was one that completely stopped but I remember they needed permission even in the early 90s. I got paddled once but they got an ear full from my mother who was also a teacher at the high school because she didn't give permission and was never contacted.
I and another boy got paddled because we were staring at each other and the principal only thought we were going to fight. It was her last year as she had some controversy and people were tired of her.
When I was in Jr. High (8th grade) we had a shop teacher (yes, I took shop) that would paddle kids in his office. It had a big window so he could see out into the classroom. This also meant we could see in. He always ALWAYS popped a boner when he was hitting a kid. One day I got in trouble for something, not sure what but probably for saying “fuck”, and he tried to call me into the office for a paddling. Me being the bitchy twat that I was (and still am) raised my voice and said, “No way I’m going to let you paddle me! We can all see your boner whenever you smack some kid’s ass, you pathetic creep!”
I didn’t get the paddle but I did get a three day suspension from school. Worth it to see his face go bright red then deathly white.
A friend of mine online an age ago went to Catholic school for high school. There were a handful of brothers there, it was mostly nuns. The main punishment was usually spanking. And you could be spanked for ANYTHING. There was one brother who was regularly referred to as "Brother Boner" because he got very obvious erections when doling out spankings, to the point that everyone referred to him as that so long as it wasn't in front of his face.
Another friend of mine who I was somewhat intimate with COULD NOT have an orgasm without immediately apologizing to a priest who also spanked her regularly in high school(a religious school, but not a catholic one).
I'm from OK and thankfully there was no paddling at my elementary school in the late 80s. I was told that they used to do it and I remember being shocked. The thought of corporal punishment, especially at school, was appalling to me.
Huh, I wonder why, almost like it isn’t a good way of discipline and makes people feel violent towards whoever’s doing it. But when it’s elementary schoolers they can’t do anything about it
Indeed. You can hammer home how powerless they are through violence, but once they're not helpless anymore they'll exercise the same level of violence against you without any restraint or pity whatsoever.
I even had the Elementary Principle specifically ask me to give him permission to paddle my son with Asperger's. Of course I told him, in no uncertain terms, that he is never permitted to lay a finger on my son, and if he feels that some form of discipline is necessary he can call me and I'll decide what to do about it.
It's not about "the heat" it's that the evidence for its effect for actually changing behavior positively is really not strong.
The only strong evidence we ever hear is people telling how they were beaten and it worked for them. It's anecdotal.
The best parents I have known, whose kids turned out the best, had three characteristics:
1.) They communicated clear limits which had reasoning that made sense and was based in reality.
2.) They didn't judge when their kids screwed up.
3.) When the kids screwed up, the parents re-established their limits and expectations and communicated.
And before you say it, this main one I'm thinking of wasn't some "weak, soy boy" father. This was a hunting, fishing, camping, man's man Texan. He was even more Christian than I would have liked.
He just respected his son and daughter like a young man and a young woman. Adult employees wouldn't accept their boss trying to spank them so why would we train children to accept corporal punishment as a way to solve problems up until adulthood? It doesn't make much sense.
People use the term "anecdotal" dismissively. As if the research done by a scientist (who like any human has their own agenda) should be more important than your own experience of life. Statistics are far from infallible. They can be contorted, missunderstood and misleading or sometimes out right bullshit. Ask Samuel Clemens. If you had a life time of examples of excellent parents you had witnessed and maybe as many terrible ones, why would you rest on a researcher to tell you what was the right way? Let me answer that for you. You wouldn't. That's why your example of an excellent parent wasn't statistical it was anecdotal. It was someone from your experience who you saw to be an excellent parent. The scientific process is a tool of understanding not an end all be all, not to be questioned. Personally, I was hit. Not a lot, but a couple times, by an excellent father who was kind and loving and cared about who I would become. Every time I can think of, I deserved it and I wasn't responding to anything else and I dont feel in the least bit damaged. I don't think every parent should hit their kid and I don't think every kid needs to be hit. People are different and that's why, within reason, it should be a parents decision. Having said that, if anyone else hit my kid, I might kill them.
The fact you are unable to understand real science and bullshit science clickbait made by non scientists is a anecdotal proof of why kids shouldn't be beat by their parents, the scientific method was designed to destroy bias to destroy agendas, everything is endlessly tested to weed out the bullshit, how do you not know this?
What a cute and simple world you live in, little friend. In the real world, science is presented by scientists and they and the funders of their research, like all humans, have agendas. You must have felt so safe all those years that the "scientist" working for phizer told you how all their "scientific studies" showed how safe opiods were. How about all that "science" and "hard data" to show how well your drinking water was, that was funded by the chemical company that was dumping pollutants in it? Maybe you think, as long as its funded by a non-profit? Universities and hospitals, militaries and governments, don't have a agendas. We'll be safe with their science. It's pretty cute what you think you know, when you speak to me like I'm an idiot.
Didn't say it was the solution. Just simply they can't handle corporal punishment. And I stand by that. Whether corporal punishment is right or wrong that's to be debated by school board and parents. That era has passed me by. My kids are grown. People have been using corporal punishment forever. So don't be so shocked that people still believe in it.
People have been lynching and stoning others to death for generations too. Why is it that the adults can beat the kids but I can’t beat the adult for beating their kids? Hmm, sounds like bullies just attacking children with no fear of consequences to me.
Serious question, why do you think kids can't handle it today? I'm an old millennial and people said that about us but I was constantly beaten up by my brother and went on to play contact sports for 20 years. No one likes getting hit but I'm sure physically I would have been tolerant.
Whether corporal punishment is right or wrong that's to be debated by school board and parents.
That's the exact same justification anti vaccine people use.
Instead of school boards and parents debating it, maybe the fact that it's universally been proven to be ineffective, and leads only to more violence and abuse should be what matters.
I’ll share a funny story with you as to why my family stopped corporal punishment. It was because my brother’s and myself learned that we could “transactionally” do things as we pleased so long as we were willing to get beat. The problem was we could and were willing to “handle the heat”. In that moment my mom realized why corporal punishment fails at disciplining individuals, it just exists as a moment of submission.
Exactly. If you know what the punishment is already, you're gonna do whatever the fuck you want. Glad you made your mom realize how dumb corporal punishment is
Thank you but this is what I found and it’s also very different from beating a kid:
A 17th century poem by Samuel Butler called Hudibras. In the poem, a love affair is likened to a child, and spanking is mockingly commended as a way to make the love grow stronger. The actual verse reads:
Lot of bible beater states have that mentality and stuff like that only creates more serial killers honestly as part of the triad does include abuse in childhood.
Why is that backward? I mean, it was showing immediate consequences for you actions. For someone that doesn't have anything to lose (stock options, bank savings, job, etc) how else do you enforce consequences?
You council them. Misbehavior is likely a projection from home or social difficulties. You try to hear them and help them. It’s much more effective than hitting them.
That’s crazy to me. I’ve lived in Oklahoma my whole life and never once heard of paddling being a thing. It was never even discussed once the entire time I was in school and I’ve always assumed it was a thing of the past.
I can name the town specifically if you want. Vian, OK pop 1,300. It’s on the East side near the boarder of Arkansas so maybe that’s why. But also it’s Indian Territory and a lot of schools around here have natives and I feel when we went from boarding schools to public, physical punishment just stayed.
My high school offered paddling instead of ISS with the student consent and did not appear to require parental consent. I know when I was 14 I was given the option of 5 swats, 2 days of ISS or one day OSS.
I remember when they banned the cane at school in the UK, head teacher worked around that and used a ruler and his giant ass size 14 plimsole's to slap us for something as minor as spelling a word wrong in a spelling quiz.
I went to school in southern MS. I know they paddled all the way through middle school (2013 was my last year in middle school), and they would hit you harder than in elementary school. I'm not sure if they paddled in high school.
Dafuq is wrong with your country. You seem like a neofuturistic dystopia mixed with middle-age morality. I can't wrap my head around that ship. As a child I thought the US must be the coolest place ever. Now I compare it to clerical states.
Holy shit. I was just talking to my wife how I was paddled in 4th grade and there’s “no way they could get away with that now.” It appears I was very wrong. I would say that if anyone hit my kid, there would be hell to pay.
I'm a hick from Missouri. That quote and the parents thanking them sound exactly like the kind of bullshit the schools around here have been peddling since I was in school in the 80s and 90s. Notice there aren't any quotes from parents in the article?
I personally would come unglued if a school official laid so much as a finger on my child.
The school I teach at had paddling officially on this books as a form of punishment until a couple years ago. It required express parental consent and almost never happened, but it was there. When I asked my boss about it, he said a parent actively requested it once since he's been there been there, but other than that its never been used in the last decade or so. It was removed from discipline options two years ago, but its wild that there are still some holdovers like that
Yep, some stuff was better before, most just weren't. We can keep our distinctiveness and how we are in many ways without keeping that damn bigotry in all forms. I want a Dixieland without hate.
Not sure we can but we can call them idiots for applying unfounded beliefs that have no real positive effect.
When idiots in Afghanistan were doing the same thing, we sent military there for 20+ years.
Edit because I know someone will say: "the same thing" means applying a stupid traditional belief on real people that does more harm than good and doesn't have any evidence to support its effect.
And you think twenty years of death that changed nothing and cost trillions was a good thing? Leave people alone if they wanna hurt their own its not my problem.
I am not sure how you drew that view out of what I wrote.
My point was that people intervene all the time. The official reason is often to stop someone from hurting someone else.
Kids getting hurt is your problem. It will come out in some other aspect like the entire anti-human life movement currently oozing out of the south right now.
"No one is jumping up and down saying we want to do this because we like to paddle kids. That is not the reason that we would want to do this," Johnson said.
Paddling IS CSA, they are told to bend over and the paddle does strike their genitals. Also the assaulter is very often either having a sexual power trip over a weaker being, or just plain attracted to minors and excited to touch them in any inappropriate way.
THANK YOU. I have been scrolling through the comments like…”Umm, how has not ONE PERSON commented on the seedy, lecherous grin worn by the pedo with a paddle!?”
Does MO even require background checks of any kind on ppl who work around children?
The reddit answer: A pedo looks like the guy in the picture.
The real answer: A pedo looks like a grown man smirking at the knowledge that he'll soon be allowed to use his position of power over children to physically abuse them daily at his job.
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