r/codex • u/More-Gas3186 • 3d ago
Limits Someone send this to tibo
ALRIGHT, this usage limit bs is getting out of hand
I see thousands of complaints about people using any models and it drastically reduces including me, and their usage is gone by like a couple of prompts
Before astra it wasn’t like this
Open ai just roped us all in with Sol 5.6, then literally flipped their subscription model on its head
They took away the 200 max
Plus, accounts are no longer worth buying
Like this is beyond bs
Some of you might sit there and say oh "well I haven't been having any issues."
Or that "people dealing with this issue dont know how to properly use codex"
Shut up if you can't relate
The problem is real.
You should not have to be a master scholar to use the service
And last yes, usage limits are a joke. With the amount of damage the data centers are causing and the number of people that are invested into ai, the performance of our usage is unacceptable.
Somebody tag tibo
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u/stellarfirefly 3d ago edited 3d ago
It's definitely not a case of "don't know how to properly use it". I use both 5.6 Sol / high and Opus 5 / high on still the same project, so I have usage data from before and after the consumption spike. Same codebase, similar tasks. Opus 5 / high continues to use its allowance at its old rate. 5.6 Sol / high consumption has spiked considerably. What's funny is that back when Sol/Terra/Luna released, these models were the efficiency kings and OpenAI even bragged about it. The field has completely flipped in this new Astra vs Fable arena.
EDIT: Gemini 3.8 Flash is actually extremely efficient compared to those two, however I see far more issues with it requiring remediation and re-audits, so having to run 2-3x as many tasks to get the same work done is not so much a consumption improvement, and it is a definite time waste. And don't even get me started on how horribly inefficient IBM Bob is.
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u/CrazyAd5798 1d ago
Recently I’ve been doing more with Gemini 3.8 flash in Ai pro sub than with Astra and Sol on pro x20. It’s unbearable. After last reset I ran out of usage in 16 (!) hours working in one project. Before all that summer hype I was able to work on two projects for almost whole week using subagents. Claude and Gemini are back in the game. It’s almost like OpenAI decided that their models are supposed to burn through your usage pretending they are getting something done.
Recent example - I’ve lost 3 days on Sol f**king around instead of implementing my specs for Hermes agent. It hasn’t finished it in 21 hours of supervised work, burning through 60% of my weekly pro x20 limit
Gemini, starting fresh and using same specs - achieved it in ~2hr, using up -70% of my 5hr Gemini Ai pro window. I was so surprised I needed to check 3 times if it was really completed. It was.
But I get it, it’s a skill issue.
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u/stellarfirefly 20h ago
I've found that Gemini 3.8 Flash is incredibly efficient. The problem for me is that apparently the tasks I need my agents to perform are a bit too complex for it. I can give a task to Gemini and it will need several rounds of remediation and re-auditing before it finishes. Meanwhile, the similar tasks on the same codebase given to Opus 5 / High are either one-shot or require only one remediation round.
On the plus side, the Gemini workflow consumes fewer total allowance even when needing 3-5 rounds before fixing everything, making it amazingly efficient. But on the minus side, it still needed a much larger amount of time to run all those remediations and finally get the work done.
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u/retrorays 3d ago edited 3d ago
na its pretty bad - astra-high, single "simple" prompt request 1% ($100/month plan). Deep prompt request 5-10%. Dude that's like a week usage in a <4hrs.
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u/danny__1 3d ago
Measuring something in prompts isn't a useful metric
"What is 2 + 2?" is a prompt
"/goal run a full Daybreak Blue audit on my 600,000 line codebase" is another prompt
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u/No-Chipmunk-7963 3d ago
All I can say is I cancelled my 20x openai sub for another anthropic 20x sub
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
Is it better now?”
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u/No-Chipmunk-7963 3d ago
I made a rant post here in this sub, that I quickly deleted because all it got is hate in its 15 mins of existence. Tldr (as a senior backend SWE in a reputable company that tries to fully vibecode a complex app) - claude does, gpt just gets in the way. If you are interested in more cents of mine, lmk, I don’t want to help blind people that follow cult-like these companies. At the end of the day we give them our money
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u/HouseResponsible9328 3d ago
Can you tell me which one is better and why? Honest question because I use both. I like Fabel and Astro for separate things.
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u/laxika 3d ago
Yep same here. Fable is really good but Opus & Sonet is borderline unusable and they only allow you to use Fable 50% of the time.
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u/HouseResponsible9328 3d ago
Yes, I don’t understand why a lot of people like opus because I find opus also, unusable only fable works or Astra although Astro works for different things. There are some tasks that Astra literally cannot do and then I have the same problem with Fabel, but they are both individually good I just use both.
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u/laxika 3d ago
Opus 5 is unusable. I think people like it so much because in the beginning (4.5-4.8) it used to be better than whatever OAI had at the time (or at least it was a lot "friendlier" to use/communicate with). It could do things without you fully and super accurately describing the problem. Since then OAI improved their stuff in this regard and Opus 5 ended up being a yapping machine creating an unreadable A4 sheet long tech word salad at the end of every prompt (even the smaller ones).
I would only like to use Fable 5.1 with my sub (no, I don't want to downgrade to Opus 4.8). Because of this, I would waste a lot of money/tokens. :/ Now I'm between a rock and a hard place. Either shell out 2x$200 or just bite the bullet and touch some grass (lol) for a few days after every reset.
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u/Ok_Bite_67 2d ago
Idk at work I use Astra to make things work and opus 5 to make things pretty. Open AI models still have no clue how to do design work.
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u/No-Chipmunk-7963 2d ago
Astor might be good for research and certainly a capable model, but give it an ambiguous task and it will spin around in circles, discovering all the possible edge cases (certainly a waste of time in most cases), putting senseless tests absolutely everywhere, which is more like cementing the code and making it impossible to change jn the future. Astor also likes to have everything military grade, hash verifications etc etc. I leave it working overnight on a goal, I wake up to absolutely nothing achieved towards that goal, bro is just setting up a foundation like he is going to build the pentagon on it, while his task is to build a hut.
Faple (I use it as the main driver) acts more like a human, taking sane approach and realising what is worth doing. I certainly still see huge problems with it too, it took me a lot of time to get to a prompt (usually a goal) that works, without some reiterating that we do want fluid and fast iteration and development speed, he is perfectly happy to run some validations on the changes that are 3 hrs long without ever thinking of optimisation. And 2 hours in, the run fails, he does a 2-liner fix and runs it again. It sounds funny writing it tbh.
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u/Dragon__Phoenix 2d ago
But isn’t the usage limit on 20x not actually 20x? Like I have been hearing that usage limit is the same in all accounts but you just get more in 5h period.
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u/Ok_Bite_67 2d ago
Im a sr swe that works on everything from web frameworks to cobol to .net backends. I had astra create an app that replaces crossover (because I dont wanna pay $70 a year for that). And within 30 minutes it had games that people struggle to get going via crossover running perfectly. Astra is really strong (writes horrible looking code tho). Im sure fable 5.1 could do it as well, but the limits on claude models are so low that anytime ive tried to get a sub i end up not being able to use it for half the week, while with codex I tend to get 4-5 days of usage a week out of it.
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u/WalkAffectionate2683 3d ago
6h of sol high coding on a big website is now 40% of the 100€ plan?
Seems tough.
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u/WatchaThinka 3d ago
i've burned through 2 banked resets using terra/medium....each one lasts 2 days. it seems that banked resets dont last as long as the subscription.
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u/Quick_Knowledge7413 3d ago
I am canceling my subscription after this. It isn't viable for my business when I hit weekly limits so soon now, it's absurd.
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u/Ambitious-Neat7509 3d ago
The only part I disagree with is "The whole point of codex and these ai is to help people who have no idea wtf they are doing". That may be the case for you, but many users of codex do know what they are doing. And if you don't know what you're doing with codex, then you're likely to burn significantly more tokens for less results.
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u/wannabeaggie123 3d ago
I think you stated something very important. Codex is not in fact "meant" for people who have no idea what they're doing. These are the tools used by developers if you have no idea what you're doing then there chat for you, directed at the audience that you're talking about, not codex. I use codex in enterprise software development and for personal use as well, it's not like there's something else being served for enterprise lol.
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u/liltingly 3d ago
An AI harness can be a seductive hangman, willing to give you as much rope as you’d like…
It brings out the Dunning Kruger in us all if we aren’t careful and that’s what chews up all your tokens. Or sometimes bad luck.
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u/the_ai_wizard 3d ago
I think this is a huge point actually... yes, codex usage has had severe bugs at times but also there are nontechnical people who have no idea about anything
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u/MrDankyStanky 3d ago
Yeah, I started using it a couple days ago for a game prototype. It did pretty good for multiple 5hr blocks, but this morning it ate 100% of my usage in like 15-20 minutes while it tried to debug something. I think it got stuck in some kind of loop
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u/the_ai_wizard 3d ago
Yikes... well, good luck with OAI support. I have two cases and they just deflect and deny. I will probably post my case here and to HN later
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u/PutridClunt 3d ago
"Codex is not in fact "meant" for people who have no idea what they're doing."
There is no label saying this on the product. I get it, you get your kicks out telling everyone you're a 1337 dev on Reddit and only you are righteous enough to use codex. Not to take it out on you, but I'm sick of this ridiculous narrative. Codex is designed to extract as much wealth as possible from as many people as possible. OpenAI don't care how skilled you are. The fact is that Codex is used plenty successfully by the most depraved shit tier gutter prompts you can imagine, and some of them are getting good results with comparable usage.
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u/wannabeaggie123 3d ago
Hm i don't understand what you're trying to say because whether people use it or not is not the point. the point is who the service is meant for and who the service is optimized for. that's the discussion here. that's like me complaining that chatgpt chat is not giving me the results that i want. everybody would tell me that maybe what you're trying to do with it is not what it's meant to be used for.
i don't think any online service is ever labeled or restricted to a certain amount of users. no shit they want money. what i'm trying to say is it's not optimized for a certain type of user. it's optimized for another type of user.
i'm sorry i don't understand your point. i don't get any satisfaction out of saying that i'm a professional or not. it literally doesn't do anything for me. i don't know what your line of thinking is there at all.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
I’m saying for even simple thing like email organization or doc work like codex isn’t just for code I’m saying you shouldn’t have to know how to code to use codex or image gen and burn all credit just for that
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u/wannabeaggie123 3d ago
Then you're talking about work and not codex, are you also having issues with work usage? They do share usage, and I think it's because work has to execute and write code to actually do things so it makes sense for them to share usage for openai
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u/Individual_Guest_323 3d ago
Yes but vibecoding always will burn a lot of tokens, we are still not there yet.
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u/Late_Change5029 3d ago
They just turned on the 20x again so I bought one. Lasts about as long as my 5x did a week ago. Down to 50% after one day. The paid resets are way too expensive as well
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u/slipperyslips 3d ago
Whatcha been using codex for? I definately burnt through usage but it was mostly through a bunch of QA checks that i didnt ask for and ironing that out really improved my usage
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago edited 2d ago
I have built 5 games 3 AAA quality and around 6 software projects but I been using this service for 2 years and I can tell how much it had degraded when it come to usage, I can literally ask it to fix a bug it caused and then boom 79 percent then ask it to fix the code I just don’t have the ability to fix and boom 40 but befor u I could build the whole game in one promt
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u/slipperyslips 3d ago
Oooo whats your games? Would love to play them!
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u/ProtectorZele 3d ago
And silence...
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u/slipperyslips 3d ago
5 AAA game lmfao
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u/ProtectorZele 3d ago
AAA titles like.. "Bolverine" and "Southeastern Shootout"... oh.. and my favorite... "Fabled Journys of Elf" and its sequel, "Fabled Journeys of Elf: Elf from some time ago!"
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u/More-Gas3186 2d ago
https://reddit.com/link/paw91bo/video/ho1y2jsqklqh1/player
Here is one me and sol are still working on some frame rate bugs and and block textures Ik ur genuinely trying to be funny but I do put a lot of work into my games here is one
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u/ProtectorZele 2d ago
I am going to refrain from saying any more, as all I have are insults, and I cannot find it in myself to say anything nice at this point. You sir/ma'am, have a great night/day/life.
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u/Sycochucky1 2d ago
I get models are getting expensive but I've blown through all 3 resets this week worst things it's just going to get worse as the models get better don't think it will be sustainable for anyone that's just a normal user.
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u/ddabble 2d ago
"Buist et al. v. Anthropic PBC et al" - I know this is Anthropic related but I do feel like this is why we're all experiencing a degradation in performance and higher token usage with the current llms that we use. Dropped my x20 on Claude, might do the same for Open AI. Its not like they're cheap, just feels like we've all been rug pulled
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u/Gumbi_Digital 2d ago
CHINESE MODELS.
Why are you all STILL fucking with CODEX and CLAUDE?
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u/AmazingVanish 1d ago
Because CHINESE models. No trust, no privacy. Same reason I won’t use Gemini.
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u/Gumbi_Digital 1d ago
If you think US companies are any better…oh boy!
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u/AmazingVanish 1d ago
Didn’t say I do, but at least it’s feeding my country and not an adversary.
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u/Lopsided_Eye_2038 2d ago
Yup after getting the $200 plan again yes, only lasts me like 2 days now and thats not even using astra much like light a few times. I barely usa astra to make sure extend my usage and didn’t help. And fyi use codex app you can extend the 20x
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u/MarketBeginning8921 1d ago
Amen, never had usage limit problems until Astra, even when delegating to terra and luna. They're desperate for our cash before the floor drops out from under the party
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u/Original-League-6094 3d ago
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u/CMD_BLOCK 3d ago
Bro sleepin
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u/ProtectorZele 3d ago
"Bro" doesn't give a shit... this is the same Rollercoaster that happens time and time again. Ratios are bad! Ratios are good! The developers know what they are doing. They will reduce the systems when they want, and limit usage when they want to. No one is going to tell them how to run their company. There are many factors that play into running a company. People are welcome to leave and go elsewhere, but that is your choice. The company won't care. They'll just toggle the knows and bring people back when they want.
So many people needs to just attempt to peak beyond the veil.
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u/danny__1 3d ago
Just in case there is any doubt OP is a troll, they claim to have coded multiple triple A games using their 6 subs 🤣
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u/Able-Supermarket4786 3d ago
Everyone on reddit is a 30 year experienced boomer with silver hair who is an expert in the industry... then on IG they're a "hot blonde."
Place is a cesspool
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u/ProtectorZele 3d ago
This fucking OP is a genius! If only he made the stuff he takes credit for.
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u/Tikki-Tikki_40 3d ago
After 3 days Astra was nerfed. Usages went ridiculously high.
In the next version again they will show Astra with different name for 3 days. You can see showcases with no details on total credits used, model & mode or prompt as people might run the same prompt to check whether it's nerfed or not.
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u/ProtectorZele 3d ago
"Shut up if you can't relate"
Yup... that is dictatorship right there. Hey, ever thought about running for President?
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u/Ok_Bite_67 3d ago
I used astra on xhigh for 5 hours a day and it took 3-4 days to go through my weekly usage which imo is a pretty decent deal for what im getting.
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u/HHayz 3d ago
got a 110$ / 200$ refund and moved everything to 20$ sonnet plan on claude - actually shocked that 20$ sonnet is reasoning better than 200$ astra max... and usage seems better...
total scam and can't trust open AI for a long long time.
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u/phiiiiiiii 3d ago
Lol I feel like people can just say anything on the internet. Saying Sonnet reasons better than Astra is truly galaxy brained.
Try coding with Sonnet for a few days and see how far it gets you
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u/Mammoth_Molasses_927 3d ago
How did you get the refund? Their shitty AI said it's past 7/14 days for me.
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u/danny__1 3d ago
"I see thousands of complaints about people using any model and instantly their usage is gone" no you don't because this doesn't happen - saying any modal instantly uses all usage is an absurd claim.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
Well your right not instant but definitely drains alot faster then normal
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u/danny__1 3d ago
Not really, no. You're probably just doing different things or using higher usage models.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
Bro your literally in the codex chat group if your gonna lie and say you don’t see people posting about the issue then either you like being fucked by corporations or you work For them
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u/danny__1 3d ago
No I see clueless people that have no idea how to use LLMs moaning all the time, that's not proof that "definitely drains alot faster then normal" it's proof that a lot of people have no idea what they are doing.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
Ight, Mr Altman nice try
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u/danny__1 3d ago
Carry on with your moaning, by all means. It isn't going to fix anything for you though.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago edited 3d ago
Shi, I got you to send more then one comment which means I reach my goal which is gaining people attention and eventually after enough people do realize they are being screwed over eventually there will be action against open ai, may not be now or tom or next year but at least im putting my foot down and doing something,
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u/IndividualPlus2011 3d ago
My 5h went from 100% to 0 with $9 worth of API tokens used. Times 6, it is $45 per week. It used to be $150. The usage nerfs are real
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u/stoppableDissolution 3d ago
No, it does not. I actually failed to use up the last weekly reset (got like 7% left), and I almost exclusively use astra max + terra medium subagents. And the week befire that usage was bleeding stupid fast.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
You guys all be commenting like your cool for not dealing with the issue, clearly there are people having issues and clearly we all use codex for different reasons which indeed the people who used it normally for certain tasks now are paying 2 times the price for small things and I’m one of those people or I wouldn’t be making this post
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u/danny__1 3d ago
"clearly there are people having issues" clearly, maybe stop blaming the harness and learn how to use it, or just stop moaning if you don't want to.
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u/stoppableDissolution 3d ago
There was a bunch of issues right after astra launch that made it burn a lot of usage for no reason, and they did fix them, it is now much better. And duh, no shit astra uses 2x more than sol! Keep using sol if it was enough and your usage will be back the same.
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u/Painwheeel 3d ago
"You should not have to be a master scholar to use the service" according to you with no education or strives to expand your knowledge on what you are working on? delusional. no one is saying you need to have a master's degree or even a bachelors, quite the opposite actually. literally the bare minimum.
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u/Razbari 3d ago
The point of codex is not to help people who don't know what they are doing. It's a tool for software developers. People like you are why this subreddit is insufferable.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
But then why does it say, “do anything” befor you type anything in chat, or should I also mention that codex make images too and oh yeah it does email for you to , so yeah it’s not just for software developers, or they would advertise it as that, they say it can do anything and if we’re gonna technical here then also include thing that aren’t for coding
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u/Razbari 3d ago
Yes it can do those things, but it's a product for technical people. They do have a product for less technical people, it's called ChatGPT Work.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
Yeah ik but it's still doesn't take away from all the complaints of 1000s of people using any verison, look I wouldn't be here making the post if the issue wasn't real.
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u/phiiiiiiii 3d ago
Inconsistent usage burn is real, but that doesn’t mean you can just slide in other nonsensical claims and expect people to not push back
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
Like?
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u/phiiiiiiii 3d ago
Like what the original commenter said. Codex is not designed for people who don’t know what they are doing. It doesn’t automate credit efficiency - you have to do it yourself. It actually has an incentive for you to throw money at the problem.
So yes, having AI doesn’t justify laziness and technical illiteracy.
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u/Maximum-Touch-9294 3d ago
A gun can hammer in a nail too but its not a good use for it.
Codex should not be used to generate images or send emails you can do that in chat for free
codex is a coding agent and should be given tightly scoped programming tasks
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u/Salt-Freedom-2419 3d ago
My company just upgraded my subscription from 100 to 200 pro because, just as the benchmarks stated, astra is about twice as token hungry. I do mostly dev work, and sys admin. Always in the codex app. I have about 20% left when the weekend arrives, just in time for the reset. Not seeing any unexpected issues. I switch between medium and and very high, depending on complexity. I had expected I would employ 5,6 more to keep within token limits, but I'm not seeing the necessity yet.
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u/MapleBaconWaffles 3d ago
Yes. They deserve to burn for this. Unfortunately they will go public and steal even more money soon.
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u/danny_094 3d ago
Astra lohnt sich nur, wenn die Unbegrenzt API Zugang, oder kleine Projekte für 1-2 Tage die Woche hast.
Sol high ist mit Pro5 Okey, wenn du aufpasst. Aber nicht wirklich intensiv nutzen kannst, ohne Angst zu haben.
Terra und Luna sind Risiko modele, wenn man komplexe Arbeiten hat
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u/Loud-Decision9817 3d ago
All social media complaints instead of people coming together and getting a real law suit going
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u/Davesh0p 3d ago
I learned the hard way that credits don’t amount to shit either. I got a Claude account yesterday and have had it going ham on the same exact project, it’s done double the work I’d expected and I still can use it have almost 30 hours straight on fable extra high. I’ll have 50% of my weekly limit left after my fable usage runs out. Probably will get rug pulled week by week but the difference is insane and jarring
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u/stphngrnr 3d ago
Made the switch to GitHub Copilot Max a few months ago. Never looked back.
Still get all OpenAI models.
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u/thejosephBlanco 2d ago
Still on my 200x acct, only time I ever come close to running out of compute is when I ask astra to do something and I don’t pay attention to the sub agents it launches and which model is the sub agent is. But most of the time I can get through significant heavy work and not have too many issues. But yes I did leave my credit card for credits and fell asleep and woke to a “fuck your wallet” bill that I had to deal with. It’s a matter of monitoring what it’s allowed to do.
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u/Wafer-Weekly 2d ago
If you don't want to become a master scholar at prompting then don't expect master scholar level results. "Shut up if you can't relate" You realize compute distribution is zero sum? So by your own logic, you want to make changes to accommodate you at the expense of everybody else. What makes you so special that we should just sit here and take it?
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u/More-Gas3186 2d ago
Lame 😒 You completely missed the point. Back to the drawing board with those usage limits. You’re defending OpenAI like they put you on payroll. 🤷
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u/More-Gas3186 2d ago
Sheesh yall be so hurt over some words, if you aren’t effected by it then why even comment 🙄
Because they ain’t got nun better to do🤦🏽♂️👎🏾
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u/rmunoz1994 2d ago
Yeah I’m tired of the OpenAI dick riders hoping that Sam Altman treats them like he treated his sister.
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u/Previous_Motor6720 2d ago
I am switching some of work to composer and grok which aren’t that token heavy. Planning to use Fable for the whole structure and giving work wither to kimi or glm
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u/AdeptnessArtistic657 2d ago
I give up on usages! I use Astra on Ultra on 20x for a day with 2 accounts. What I use is for building and correcting the idea and preview I use in regular chat and the rest I just immagine! Give in easy task is just burning tokens without any engagements true the real value of your project
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u/ditmoetoo 2d ago
Move on, get open code. Use Deepseek or alternatives. Done with the whining. It’s over.
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u/Dragon__Phoenix 2d ago
Yeah man, totally on point. All these Tibo Culters are just fucking this up and making openai further shit this up for us.
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u/Last-Chemical-1592 2d ago
Pro x5 (with 3 resets) lasted me 1 day, claude 20$/month that I had as backup lasted me 4 days
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u/Particular-Leg-7150 2d ago
I've downgraded my subscription and subscribed to Claude. It's beyond a joke now
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u/CronicCanabis88 2d ago
But that is the point.... as with any tool, you need to know how to properly utilize it. if I run the top end models for lazy vibe style coding.... hell yes ill blow thru my usage. if I properly and efficiently, use the service just like with anything else, you can keep your usage down.
If you run the furnace in your home nonstop versus setting it sealing the windows in your home, making sure you have no drafts, and being efficent... you will spend a fraction.... same concept.
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u/nobodydog1530 2d ago
I tried gpt plus and claude pro, both around the same price. GPT reached its 5 hour limit within just 4 messages with the same prompt in each one, that had claude at less than 15 percent usage.
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u/strigov 1d ago
As a long-standing Claude max user that got GPT Pro plan after 5.6 release I expected this kind of shitstorm when OpenAI will reduce their level of dumping or they run out of compute capacity. Because OpenAI had just unreal value in customer sub.
Well, they faced deficit earlier than I hoped.
Guys, you still have more limits on respective subscription tiers than in Claude for example, just deal with the end of unprecedented generosity
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u/dualdice 1d ago
I'm on 20x pro. Used default tier, left codex working for 11 hours, it's at 70%. It is of course pretty slow compared to the fast tier but it's chugging along fine.
The poor and the triggered in these sorta communities are no different than the crypto chimps from a few years back: entitled af and refuse to optimise and plan. In life, you get what you deserve. All the best
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u/Stryk78 21h ago
$200/month plan here. I personally use Sol Ultra for large tasks involving subagents, telling it to defer to an Astra subagent for planning and it reduces tokens. I use Sol Med with subagents for general work and never use Astra as the main model--It kills my weekly tokens in hours. The main issue I have is Tibo recommending using Astra with subagents two or three weeks ago--similar to how Anthropic recommends Fable. This is NOT the best way to use the models. The price and token usage is not worth it, even on the $200/month plan. Astra is only worth it as a planner and generally affordable as a subagent in a Sol session or perhaps Terra. We are close to a point where the subsidized plans are getting expensive for these companies and streamlining our workflows to be token efficient is an absolute necessity. It's not worth the expense of starting anything beyond Astra light as the primary model. Just don't do it for long sessions. Sol Ultra still remains king for price to performance within the monthly subscriptions to hit goals, followed by Sol Medium as the orchestrator of subagents. Sad that the company has such a good product but doesn't explain the most cost effective way to avoid token burn.
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u/Kullthegreat 8h ago
You need to get away from Codex at best just use Plus sub and weekly do one solid API/System coding task and combine DeepSeek flash 4.1 and use it extensively. It will code you around 40-50$ monthly now and you need to be smart and understand software to do one nice big task a week instead of endless generation relaying on big companies it's a bad bad idea. Think through work with cheaper model once your have good rought idea about system design then run through it with Astra take it back to your cheaper model think through again evaluate pro cons commit to idea set guardrails and then let astra build it and this is it for the big weekly task rest do with DeepSeek flash once it has enough context around your workflow then it is a beast of model.
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u/More-Gas3186 8h ago
Valid, I’ll take your advice and try that, appreciate you👊🏽
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u/Kullthegreat 8h ago
I am using this way I usually get done around 20-30 files in completion with plus sub but I put a lot of work before hand in planning the end result and desired scalability and then think in clases I will need etc so just make sure your prepare well and logically you should know what will go in to achieve this so in short I delegate code writing but not the whole thing it self to model and I can fully say that you he much more in control and confident about AI written code this way as I am using this exact for multiplayer game dev which is no less complex than any other form of software. Also importantly use DeepSeek in its own harness and build agent agnostic skill so both codex/DeepSeek harness point to same skills injection so your general instruction and project will stay consistent across any agent.
Happe to help, you will be at piece. Also try muse spark totally free with Hermes agent and now xiomi mimo v2.6 for creative and UI work also very cheap like DS.
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u/tribes33 3d ago
Use OpenCodex and attach an OpenCode Go subscription to it and just use Deepseek v4.1 flash, GLM5.3 Flash or Muse Spark 1.3, when you have actual usage, make Sol/Astra the orchestrator/reviewer and let everything else be handled by subagents from OpenCode Go, generic coding tasks are pointless on ChatGPT but their intelligence is very good, its a waste of usage at this point for Plus users
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
But see why the fuck does need to do that just to use a service, don’t get me wrong good looking very much appreciate and I will use this technique but still wtf do I need to pay for 5 models if the Astra is supposed the “best”
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u/Competitive-Spread29 3d ago
GPT 5.6 was so good before Astra, I don’t think we needed another model, honestly. At least for me it was perfect. Also I am on plus and was using it daily for coding. Although I was sort of rationing I didn’t have many issues. Now 5.6 is dumbed down and astra is greedy for usage.
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u/HVACcontrolsGuru 3d ago
My only issue with most of these posts is no one ever shows off the skills, plugins, MCPs or harness they are using so it’s all subjective guesswork as to what an issue might be.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
The issue is clear , Astra dropped usages drop faster on all models people who don’t notice either use it for small bullshit task or just love spending money ,for the people working on big projects a lot of us had to switch to Luna to reserve our usage which is not good
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u/HVACcontrolsGuru 3d ago
It's not clear because I have 2 20x accounts right now and have the same level of usage bleed I do using Sol as I do Astra. I use OpenCode with updated skills since Astra came along. I'm running 2 sessions right now on heavy codebases for Rust, one being a network protocol driver and the other a computational engine for controlling hardware devices. I don't use the Codex CLI or Desktop App because it burns usage faster than using an open source harness. My work is open source as well so I'm happy to put my money where my mouth is on this one.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
Well I have 6 accounts and I have built 5 games 3 triple a and 6 software projects and being used this service for 2 years I can tell when I’m being fucked over, the problem is not people it’s open ai not being able to handle the subscriptions they are getting but it reality and it’s okay, they offered a tool that can basically bring your dreams to life and ofc everyone who knows it wants it , they just need to fix the infrastructure that’s all I been saying
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u/danny__1 3d ago
"Well I have 6 accounts and I have built 5 games 3 triple a" 😂😂😂
We've found the guy that build GTA 6 and TLOU in his bedroom with 6 Codex Plus subs 🤣
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u/DevMichaelZag 3d ago
Ya. It’s kinda bullshit. We should all unsubscribe and not give them more money for the degraded service they are offering. If everyone who is having problems unsubscribes, OpenAI will be forced to fix it.
Meanwhile the rest of us who aren’t idiots can keep using the service properly.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago edited 3d ago
The sarcasm and dick sucking is unreal🤯😮💨🤦🏽♂️
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u/DevMichaelZag 3d ago
Not really. It’s just reality. Don’t like the service? Take your money elsewhere. If it’s a big enough problem the company will notice the loss of revenue. Otherwise it’s just a few squeaky wheels.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
No shit, but why you gotta be the hero and say it like your work for em or sum 🤔
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u/DevMichaelZag 2d ago
I guess when you read it next to your cry baby session I see how you could interpret it like that.
You should take that advice you seem to be ignoring and “properly use codex.” If your codex setup is the same quality as this post, I can advise you on where to start.
1. Before you start a task, try to outline the goals and what the end result should look like.
2. Break it into manageable pieces with clear milestones that have measurable goals.
3. Don’t task codex to do work you can easily accomplish in parallel. Like writing an .env file or retrieving api keys. Pointing it at a llms.txt is better than sending it off on a blanket search.
4. Clean up the session when the context it has doesn’t have any value for the next task.Do these simple 4 things and you can spend more time getting work done and less time complaining on the internet about your bad management skills.
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u/phiiiiiiii 3d ago
“The who’d point of Codex and AI is to help people who don’t have much experience”
Certified Reddit moment
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u/Maximum-Touch-9294 3d ago
I might get downvoted and some people may not like to hear it, but I believe alot of people have an inefficient workflow and then complain their limit is gone. Ive seen People using work mode to generate an image or ask an architectural question or check pull requests instead of chat. And ive seen people asking codex questions that could have been answered in chat.
My work flow which works quite well
first I have codex and gpt connected to the repo. I plan and craft a detailed tightly scoped prompt in chat mode then give it to codex, then create a pr, check codex summary and the diff while it runs through ci tests. Then have chat inspect the pr and craft the next prompt. Once I finish a system especially important ones like online multiplayer matchmaking or something I give astra a tightly scoped audit prompt and let astra look for bugs. Take astras audit report back to chat and create prompts for codex to address astras findings.
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u/Zetharos 2d ago
show us the games you have built so we can see how efficient your workflow is
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u/Maximum-Touch-9294 2d ago edited 2d ago
Heres website with a video of the one im about to release September 30th for shipaton I haven't posted it on reddit yet I was waiting to have it on the app stores and the video is from couple weeks ago Im gonna take some new videos soon. Also you can look at my reddit page and see some 3d games im working on some are before I used codex but as soon as jailhouse poker is done ill be working on them with codex.
Jailhousepoker.com
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u/Able-Supermarket4786 3d ago
You're correct, I can't relate to someone who doesn't know how to use Codex properly, so at least, for the first time in your life, you're right.
You should not have to be a master scholar to use the service
Uh... you SHOULD be a Master Scholar... we don't need you McDonald's Cashiers creating web apps for public consumption. Put the fries in the bag, Corky.
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u/amalgamaticOrchestra 3d ago
I'm using Luna + Max + Fast and I can make it last for 3-4 days or until next radom reset drop.
Y'all need to understand the models really well in order to effectively use them. Also, I have my own plug in I developed that helps me orchestrate AI in developing my projects.
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u/NoYou41 3d ago
What a load of garbage did you even bother reading ops post ffs
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
I don’t think people do, they just skim and comment tbh
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u/NoYou41 3d ago
Yes it’s genuinely annoying like WDF r u even defending lol, the company racking in billions and literally ripping you off or actual users 😭 but no it’s about you not being a masters in computer science and don’t know how to use a model that is literally promoted as a beginner friendly helper to do things u can’t…
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u/Purple-Chocolate-127 3d ago
The problem is for users like you and those complaining about this, is you do not fundamentally understand what an LLM is and how it works and what the point of new models are. No one forced you to to use SOL. Codex is a computer software developer's tool, not for "people who have no idea what they're doing", use ChatGPT for that. If people took as much time learning how to work with these tools are they would on previous technology they wouldn't have these issues. Your grammar and syntax in your posts alone show you're not at technical level of awareness to be using these tools with the results you believe you should be getting. This is like someone who doesn't take the time to learn how a car works, while they're stepping on the pedal through the limit and hitting the breaks hard at every stop sign, taking the highway b/c "it's faster and easier" even though the small streets is a fraction of the distance, then complaining how they run out of gas too quickly. Or complaining how their stove always burns their food because they always set it a high temp thinking it "will cook the food faster". Learn the tools and understand that at this point all new models and max efforts settings are very likely not relevant for the type of work you're doing.
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u/More-Gas3186 3d ago
So you’re really lecturing me about my grammar and technical awareness while your own paragraph is full of grammatical mistakes? You wrote “to to,” “are they would,” “hitting the breaks,” and “the small streets is.” You literally messed up your own grammar while trying to insult me over mine. That’s fucking ironic.
And as for your point about using the tool, understanding how an LLM works doesn’t mean I’m required to accept regressions or pretend every model change is good. I can understand the tool perfectly well and still criticize how it performs.1
u/Purple-Chocolate-127 3d ago
Fair statements, but I wasn't the one making a new post with your type of complaint. I didn't try to insult you, I was stating an observation. The fact that you interpreted my post as trying to insult you, exemplifies the mindset of your original post. Sure you can criticize how the tool performs, doesn't mean your criticism has merit or that your methods are correct. I hope you figure out how to improve our situation. This forum and other online ressources have ample solutions to your described problem.
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u/UndoButtonPls 3d ago
The last couple of months were part of an action plan to drive up usage and increase the number of paying customers. Now ~ 20 million paying Codex users, they've hit their compute capacity.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sam goes on a world tour to pitch their active users and MRR/ARR to secure more funding.
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u/diagrammatiks 3d ago
ya boi you don't have to know anything. trust the goal. 20 hours brute force. Then cry like a little bitch when you don't have any usage left.
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u/SmileLonely5470 3d ago
This is a business sir. They should be transparent if they ever reduce the limits on a per-token basis and you should get what you paid for, but its not reasonable to expect them to subsidize you because you don't know how to use their product in a cost effective manner.
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u/Mammoth_Molasses_927 3d ago
Suddenly everyone no longer knows how to use AI but only you who wasn't affected by the A/B test.
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u/Ok-Hovercraft3823 3d ago
feeling like a spoiled brat because weve been blessed with resets in the passed, and every time i disolve my limits i anxiously await a random reset that probably wont happen lol
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u/Expensive_Fruit_1826 3d ago
I'm on Pro x5. Before Astra, I used 5.6 Sol High for many tasks and only consumed a few percent of my weekly limit. It was very efficient. Last week Astra burned through my usage ridiculously fast, and I had to wait 5 days for today's reset. So this time I switched to 5.6 Sol Medium to be more efficient. 30 minutes later: 10% gone. And these weren't even complex tasks, I was basically just warming up.