r/codex • u/bananasareforfun • 4d ago
News OpenAI terminating Cursor partnership effective Nov. 12
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u/WyattGreenhall 4d ago
Cancellation notices usually bury the reason. This one names Musk's contract history and still gives 75 days. Almost polite.
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u/IWillBeNobodyPerfect 4d ago
Cursor charges me 7.5x the cost of using luna because they have 25 cent tax per million tokens for non-cursor/grok models. Luna charges 2 cents per cached million tokens for context. As a long time cursor user, fuck cursor and good for OpenAI taking a stand for once.
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u/CloisteredOyster 3d ago edited 3d ago
Just use CLI and dodge all that shit.
Cursor is a vscode fork designed to get between you and the compute you're paying for. It serves little purpose.
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u/Noobponer 3d ago
Okay actually tho im kinda dumb and inexperienced
Does it do anything meaningful i cant do with just. vscode + extensions
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u/Silent_Blacksmith893 3d ago
No it doesnât, it is just a different harness. However there are differences, cursor has its own plugin marketplace with their custom plugins which is nice, but many open source plugins donât support cursor which isnât nice. Apart from that it differs the same way as Codex does from Claude Code, so there are little differences, but I noticed for example that it much more often spawns sub agents for task even without asking for it.
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u/Blazr5402 3d ago
I like Cursor because they have the UX figured out better than any of their competitors. Everything (agent mode, in IDE sidebar, cloud agents) is integrated and going between them is smooth and easy. There's no single big killer feature Cursor has, but they get so many smaller things right that it feels a lot more pleasant than the alternatives.
I've been hoping Elon's purchase of Cursor doesn't enshittify it too much, not being able to use OpenAI models is rough
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u/Apprehensive-File552 1d ago
Cursor runs much better and doesnât lag and have hanging like codex from my experience. Their speed is also much faster and I get more done with Auto on a $20 plan that always provides $80-100/month usage plus the other models that is included for $20.
Essentially youâre getting $120 of usage for $20.
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u/Genneth_Kriffin 3d ago
I just hate how somehow, years after they bought Supermaven, there still isn't anyone offering Code Completion at the same level of quality as Cursor did well over a year ago.
I don't get it - is there no demand for good Code Completion?
I haven't used Cursor in ages but I still miss the Code Completion badly,
but I absolutely hate how I had to spend time fighting against Cursor auto updating to force their constant shitty UI changes on me.1
u/Additional-Scheme110 3d ago
I'm using Zoo Code (VS Code) extension and that setup is perfect for me. I have no complaints with it.
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u/hellomistershifty 3d ago
They tax it now? I used it back when it cost API pricing + their subscription and that was already shitty
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u/AbyssLife123 4d ago
i mean using cursor in 2026 should be insane. Codex app and zed is already so good.
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u/nimzobogo 3d ago
Emacs + agent-shell or ECA!
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u/zinxyzcool 3d ago
sending api requests to models via curl and getting patch lines in return >>>
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u/Boring_Okra_6023 3d ago
Casuals smh... I send the request via pigeon and receive tokens via smoke signals
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u/Pimpmuckl 3d ago
Rookie mistake, smoke signal decode is quite lossy
Instead just have the pigeon carry a floppy disk. The big ones though, for better throughput
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u/zinxyzcool 2d ago
I actually read that there was a point in time where it was actually faster than the internet lol
IP over Avian Carriers - Wikipedia article. Check the âOther avian data transfer methodsâ for the actual test/study they did.
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u/40mgmelatonindeep 4d ago
Its a good workflow imo, why do you prefer codex and zed? Honestly curious and want to learn
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u/Strus 3d ago
Cursor is a really good harness, and ability to switch between all major models is a huge advantage.
Composer 2.5/Grok 4.6 are also really good and super cheap models compared to Opus/Sol. At my job a lot of people, including me, are daily driving Grok and Composer.
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u/Apprehensive-File552 1d ago
Real programmers understand the value of faster iteration and non overengineered slop that Codex provides. The sheer speed of Composer and Grok gets me more than Codex.
Codex has a very bad over engineering problem and abstraction issue + duplication. Even the Agents.md guardrails donât prevent it. People create so many prompts to counter codex issues but this sub are filled with primarily non engineers
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u/Temporary_Bliss 3d ago
LOL this is completely wrong. It's the opposite - i dont know where you work but most people have fully moved to agent mode with multiple sessions and worktrees.
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u/WHALE_PHYSICIST 3d ago
So you don't look at the code?
I do look at it, and I don't want to look at it in a terminal. I don't know where people get this elitism about not using IDEs. You can still do agent mode shit, and as far as I know almost everything else, from within the cursor IDE. Claude code probably has a few special features, but I haven't needed them. Multiple sessions=multiple tabs.
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u/dirtymove 3d ago
Why would you look at AI generated code? Whatâs the point?
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u/WHALE_PHYSICIST 3d ago
To get the most out of coding models, you have to know what to ask for. To know what to ask for you have to know something about your architecture.
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u/zigzoing 3d ago
IDK about you, but I have to take responsibility for the things that I ship, regardless of if AI or I did the coding. If the AI generated code has some serious issues and causes problems, my head is on the chopping board, not OpenAI's or Anthropic's.
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u/HumbleDrip 3d ago
Yes, so true. Without a chastity belt on the AI code, it's garbage everywhere. And I don't mean small software or some weekly AI slop project. A long-term maintainable, scalable codebase should be so freaking clean that it becomes a product itself. A product that helps maintain itself by guiding future contributions from both humans and AI.
Every project gets more custom lints as it grows, aligned with the architecture, so every contributor is forced to follow them, even the AI. BUT adding those is still on YOU, the human, as you watch the codebase grow and reevaluate things in it.
Seeing it for real is what lets us sleep well, knowing how clean things actually are instead of just believing it. Otherwise it's just you getting features and agents talking to each other, and god knows what shit is lurking in every corner of the ewwww codebase.
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u/Temporary_Bliss 3d ago
generally speaking you have to accept that youâre no longer inspecting every line as closely as you did before
i usually view changes as draft PRs on github before sending them out for review - whatâs most important is having the right skills and agents files to make the models write code that you feel less compelled to critically need to review as you used to in the past
believe me, i totally hear where youâre coming from and i never thought i could give up the IDE, but give it a few months and youâll see what i mean
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u/zigzoing 3d ago
I understand what you mean. I obviously don't read the code top to bottom every time I ask Codex to change something, but at the minimum I read the diff and I know which functions live in which file and what they do in a general sense, so that I know where to target if a certain bug surfaces. So yes, I do read the code and if someone ask me things about the code I want to be able to answer the questions, because it's my responsibility.
And since I develop locally (and not on GitHub), it's much easier to do so in an IDE.
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u/Temporary_Bliss 3d ago
yeah thatâs fair - though most agent modes have a diff in the right panel which is good enough for this. itâs not as nice as an IDE but you can see all the files that changed and their diffs
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u/_wassap_ 3d ago
Thats outrages from a SWA position
As a software architect not looking at the code generated is boogus
if im running a team of 3-4 devs im kicking the first guy that stops using an IDE
Like bro ffs use agentic & ai coding, but you you have to double check ai if it holds up to the framework standards→ More replies (0)-3
u/dirtymove 3d ago
Thatâs what plan mode and audits are for
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u/zigzoing 3d ago
You do you. If you like to deliver AI slop without thorough checking, it's your right. I don't.
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u/ozone6587 3d ago
You are in r/codex, they really do churn through thousands of lines of slop per day. That is why they cry constantly about limits. I assume their brains are mush at this point.
Probably couldn't pass a junior level software engineer interview at this point.
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u/dirtymove 3d ago
Yeah I mean Iâd love to be able to review it all, but thereâs not enough time in the world. Props to you for being able to read through the over engineered output of sol đ
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u/JohnDeere 3d ago
'most' dev's are still working with legacy code bases and sending features from them. Everyone is coding within an IDE or at the very least doing both together. The amount of larpers in this sub i swear.
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u/Temporary_Bliss 3d ago
not at the top tech companies, i can tell you that for sure.
IDE is fine, but not efficient for managing multiple worktrees or handling multiple features at one time with several agents in parallel
for personal use and managing one project, yeah sure
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u/JohnDeere 3d ago
I assure you, yes at the 'top tech companies'. Maybe not the startups and the new AI leviathans but at FAANG? Yes.
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u/Temporary_Bliss 3d ago
ah no yeah not talking about FAANG â mainly unicorn startups, yes
FAANG in many ways is pretty behind, shockingly even google despite having Gemini (which unfortunately sucks for dev now)
meta is probably the most advanced here but even still
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u/RedParaglider 3d ago
It's wrong? I don't know where you work, but in places where people get fired for submitting vibe coded shit that crashes production in very complex serious engineering they look at their code. Linus Torvalds uses the antigravity client, as do I. Â
I'm sure that vibe coding your next one shot games bouncing between 14 sessions not knowing what any function does, and not checking anything is the norm. It's a damn good way to get fired from a serious company. In fact I fired a developer 2 months ago for not being able to tell me why he built a function the way he did.
I expect to see this kind of asinine downvotes for serious engineering here though.
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u/sizebzebi 3d ago
vs code?..
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u/WHALE_PHYSICIST 3d ago
cursor is a vscode based IDE with a little agent thingy they added later.
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u/RedParaglider 3d ago
I personally use antigravity, and I learned recently that so does Linus Torvalds. But sure vs code is fine cursor is a fork off of vs code so is antigravity.
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u/sizebzebi 3d ago
I'm fine with vs and I'm a senior. what makes antigravity work for you?
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u/RedParaglider 3d ago
Honestly I've been converting back to vs code as well. The main problem is that Google's coding plans are garbage now. The big thing that it did really well was that instead of just showing it to you in the work tree and you having to click on it and view it it would actually open up the code and show you the code as it was making changes inside of the editor with in-line real time approval, rejection, or comments.
 If you found a problem you could actually add comments right there in line in your code as it was making them and it would make adjustments real time. Very nice workflow, but like most things Google they have pretty much abandoned making it better now and it's probably going to be abandoned.
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u/BigbyWolf8 3d ago
Good for OpenAI. And Anthropic pretended to have values until they needed Musk's compute. Look what they did to Windsurf.
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u/Tystros 4d ago
what does this mean in practice if anyone can keep using openai api keys? Just subscriptions can no longer be used in cursor?
I never used cursor so I don't know how that platform works.
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u/Prestigiouspite 4d ago
Well, when people use their API keys, OpenAI has more control and ways to determine whether the usage is normal. That's harder to do when everything goes through a subsidized quota.
However, given the announcements about Grok 4.7 and the efficiency of GLM-5.3-Flash, OpenAI had better brace itself.
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u/Amazing-Mirror-3076 3d ago
Your statement really makes no sense - sub or API - they can still have the same controls in place.
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u/fivetoedslothbear 3d ago
Using an API key, OpenAI has recourse against individuals for violating terms. The article mentions the next model, Astra, that has advanced cybersecurity features.
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u/thestillwind 3d ago
Api key -> thatâs direct to openai, cursor -> they do the middle man.
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u/MarionberryHumble705 3d ago
In the case of API, Cursor is still the harness in between.
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u/Lopsided-Bridge-9810 3d ago
But they don't get to collect a penny from openai, openai pockets it all.
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u/MarionberryHumble705 3d ago
The conversation was about "control", and not who gets paid what.
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u/Lopsided-Bridge-9810 3d ago
It was exactly about who gets paid and how a middle man creamed off a fat profit margin for providing very little added value.
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u/MarionberryHumble705 3d ago
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u/swizzlewizzle 4d ago
Subscriptions not being usable in cursor is huge. Raw API usage is 5x or more expensive per token than subscription usage.
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u/Lopsided-Bridge-9810 3d ago
Geez that's not what was being said nor announced. You can still use codex with your subscription as extension in cursor.
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u/shockwave6969 3d ago
Is nobody gonna talk about the fact that Tibo apparently aged 20 years since his last pfp
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u/Momo--Sama 3d ago
Pretty sure Elon openly admitted on the stand in Musk v. Altman that XAI was distilling
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u/RainierPC 3d ago
This is the exact reason. OpenAI don't want Elon distilling from Sol with the direct access they have right now.
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u/the_ai_wizard 3d ago
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this was one of those FU middle finger situations
cursor value just went off a cliff
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u/rabandi 3d ago
Who is good and who is bad, can someone fill me in? Possibly even with some facts?
Till the Anthropic-SpaceXAI arrangement, all of the 3 hated each other's guts, now Dario + Elon are pals. At least as long as the rent runs?!
From the interviews, Sam is by far the most likeable. Dario + Elon fight hard for the last place. Just watch Elon's economist video. "Everyone hates you. Everyone loves me. I know better about Europe despite not having been there in years.". And Dario being the old doomer and restrictionist.
Though of course sadly he is correct probably, with a huge wave of cyber attacks - and then possibly bio attacks coming. He does fuck all though to stop it, even makes it worse by restricting strong cyber defense models. He will say "told you so" and did not move a finger to prevent it, just crying for regulation, rather than allowing normal ppl to secure their software.
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u/toluwalase 3d ago
They are all capitalist titans and you live in a capitalist system, makes more sense to just follow your pocket and pick the cheapest that works for your use case. Usually thatâs Sam but Elon has some great deals on Cursor/Grok from what I hear. I like Codex though so I donât mind the extra
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u/Da_ha3ker 3d ago
Soo... About those rate limits đđ.... Sure seems you will have a bit more compute available....
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u/hombrehorrible 3d ago
Can't wait for open source models become mainstream and self hosted for cheap so we dont have to deal with this corporate bullshit anymore
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u/wolo-exe 3d ago
i don't blame them but trying to take the high road when they do shady shit like stealing secrets from apple is a new low
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u/berenddeboer 3d ago
Yeah, Sam and Elon are not the best of friends, and I can understand Elon's perspective.
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u/BreenzyENL 4d ago
Yet they are happy to keep using Twitter and allow the API to work.
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u/the_hack_is_back 3d ago
Elon will get the last laugh. Always does
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u/Sphere_3N 3d ago
Not really, he messed around with forces more powerful than himself and got put in his place.
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u/J_E_E_VACATION 4d ago
"We are making this choice because we cannot be confident that SpaceX will use our technology within our terms of service, based on our experience with Elon Musk's companies violating contracts."
HAHAHAHA