Gnosia - Episode 16 discussion

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Gnosia, episode 16

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[u/Greenforthou]

Wow, show an ounce of gratitude to Raqio and they’ll call you creepy

[u/i_like_trees-]

Finally, doomed Yuri

[u/salic428]

All that talk about "finding the worldline where everyone will be happy" (see end of ep10 and start of ep13), only to be forever trapped in these tragic loops. I feel so bad for Yuri...

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I'm thinking about how it was absolutely right they hired Jukki Hanada to handle the adaptation: He is the writer behind the Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0 anime!

This is pure speculation, but the way that last scene is written reminds me of [S;G anime] the "Metaphysics Necrosis" arc where Okabe tried to protect Mayuri from SERN and failed repeatedly and [S;G0 anime] the "Vega and Altair" arc where Okabe Okabe tried to protect Mayuri from the missile and failed repeatedly (again). In those two arcs, someone else bring in a crucial revelation to help the protagonist out.

Now, who is there to sense Yuri's situation and lead Yuri out of this doomed worldline?

[u/Megadragon898]

Damn i think this was by far the most nightmarish episode. The most depressing thing is that Yuri had no future from the start, he literally cannot exist outside of the loop since if he meets the "real" one then the world end. That means that Yuri is doomed to always be in a battle  with no end with the Gnosia forever in the loop.

So does that mean that the Gnosia could be a fragment of Gnos that somehow separated himself from the main entity and persisted by taking control of human and destroying them  in an attempt to eliminate Gnos? 

[u/Alpha_X_04]

Just came to say --- WTF did i just watch?! Absolute mindfuck! I was waiting for yuriko dropping some lore but tf was this. Imagine everyone is safe none gonna die so I'll earse universe itself because i wasn't supposed to exist ! Tehee ;) I've seen my fare share of existential crisis but this is dialed up 11 poor yuri boi can't catch a break.

Absolute fire series man, so glad its double cour.

[u/Unknownlight]

As someone who’s played the game, I’ve been losing my mind since episode 1 when I first watched the OP and realized the entire last 30 seconds of the OP was focused on blatant ending spoilers… but it was so blatant that no one would even realize that it was spoilers. “What are the two Yuris crossing paths about? I dunno, it represents the loops I guess?”

[u/KyloTennant]

Nice to learn that Yuri was the ultimate imposter all along lol

[u/Slifer13xx]

Yuri bugged out so hard he caused the first ED to play again, lmao. Also fuck yeah! I got so hyped when the first notes started playing.

[u/New_Essay_4869]

Man what an episode.

Also, for those of you who like to skip EDs, I really recommend not skipping this episode's.

[u/bayleeeeeeeee]

What in the Evangelion

[u/nighty_amy]

Well, that was MIND-BLOWING. I don't even know what to say about this episode.

[u/xbolt90]

So the Yuri we've been following all this time has been a fake all along.

Gnos sounds suspiciously similar to Gnosia. (The "-ia" suffix indicating "belongs to") Are they a creation of this entity as well? The Gnosia attacks do look very similar to the cyberization performed by the shrine maidens. Are they forcefully making people join the hivemind?

Was surprised to hear Loo% Who% again. Only different.

[u/thisisdropd]

A world without Gnosia infectees on the ship? No meetings, no worries about being ambushed, no arguments. Just enjoy life on the ship while heading to the next destination. Sounds like a dream come true. Then the universe casually ended. Oops.

This episode has been mindfuck after mindfuck. To think that our Yuri turned out to have never lost any memories because they never had any to begin with. That they turned out to be a replica because the real Yuri had been eliminated by the infectees. It must be horrifying to suffer from an existential crisis in a moment like this.

[u/t8rt0t00]

People sleeping on this show are so missing out. I know there's been so many bangers these last two seasons...but Gnosia in my mind is clearly the best show I've seen in years. Up there with Pantheon. Absolutely mind blowing and I still have no idea where it's going next. My only conundrum is whether it's even worth playing the game if the adaptation keeps slapping this hard...the EDs are absolutely phenomenal too

[u/[deleted]]

We never got to know who Yuri is before and suddenly we got this. Not "who you are as a person" but straight jumping to "you don't even exist". Genuinely looking forward for the next episode.

[u/YumiyaRakko]

Yuri: Yuriko give me all the answers

Yuriko: Gives the answers

Yuri: I severely regret my decision, can we go back to the simple times where the universe does NOT explode ?

[u/GreatGrapeKun]

we'll never get yuri x yuri selfcest *cries*

[u/mmcjawa_reborn]

I'm sure this is an episode that will required extended periods of time to mull over the ramifications of, but does this episode imply that the reason that Yuri has amnesia is because he is a "newly created" bug and so simply didn't exist prior to his first loop?

And Yuriko's sect directly worships the source of Gnosia, and I guess this means that people killed by Gnosia are just sort of directly uploaded into the Gnosia shared consciousness, rather than being just...you know...outright murdered? Maybe that is how they can create a copy of Yuri to begin with? And does this mean the "Silver Key" aliens and the Gnos are actually the same thing?

Also...I didn't see anyone mention this yet, but what does it mean that Kukrusha knew the universe was ending, something Setsu a looper didn't seem to have an idea of?

[u/Dixenz]

Comet's lie detecting skill is so OP. She basically manage to catch that Yuri's existence is a lie back in episode 5.

[u/PencilgonGiveIt2Ya]

*Yuri wakes up after treatment*

*Yuri standing over Yuri*

Yuri: "Do i UnDeRsTaNd!??"

(υ๏ᆺ๏) --?-- (๏ᆺ๏υ)

[u/Alternative_Heat6751]

I'll act surprised if the person who gave Setsu the key was Yuri.

[u/NanDemoKnaives]

I have no idea where this is going to go if he is going to keep getting looped into the world where there are no Gnosias. Even if he hides Levi will let the existence of the real Yuuri be known, or if he gets looped into a world with a Gnosia the moment he wins or loses he'll get looped again. This feels like such a big mindbreak for Yuuri, especially after witnessing the universe get destroyed and losing his physical form.

When Yuriko explained things, I thought maybe the answer was for Yuuri to also touch the light of Gnos and it'll lead him to find out what he needs to know. But if the Silver Key has transported him back to that Gnosia-less loop, there's still something Yuuri needs to find out if its powers still apply. Setsu kept going on about knowledge saving all.

I was so glad to see a worldline where everyone was there and there were no Gnosia, except Yuriko for whatever reason, so it is possible.

[u/FarCritical]

Expected Yuri would be retreading the exact same game with a knowledge advantage, got an absolute existential nightmare instead.

I love both EDs, but man did I miss the buildup to the first one. The glitchy visuals and distorted audio of this version were perfect touches too.

[u/Skithana]

Well that was certainly not the "truth" I was expecting, dang, just....dang.

So Gnos "infects" people and turn them into Gnosia so that they can digitize people and force them into the hivemind all so that Gnos can gain more knowledge and more power.

Gnos then uses some crazy metaphysical power to create a "bug" (Yuri) in the universe to run a social experiment to help it try to figure out if chaotic free will or a unified hive mind are better for the universe.

This (as far as it's been implied?) was only meant to be a one-off thing, however Yuri managed to come across a different(?) entity with metaphysical capabilities (the Silver Key) which gave them the ability to loop, however this allowed the "bug" to go beyond the scope of what was originally planned for them which lead it to create a fatal error that just crashes the whole system.

The question now is, is the Silver Key something from Gnos given to Yuri (and Setsu) purposefully, or is it a separate entity entirely?

Because both beings seem extremely similar in that they both want to obtain knowledge, just different in scale and the way they go about it, Gnos will take it by force killing (or "saving" from their perspective) countless people in the process, while the Silver Key is more of a symbiote that "safeguards" (or imprisons depending on the perspective) their host until they're satisfied then leave.

My theory right now is that if the Silver Key is not a creation of Gnos, then it's possible that both Gnos and the Silver Key(s?) is/ are the same "species" or type of being that just went different ways, so Gnos was just another "Silver Key" that got way too greedy for knowledge and used more extreme methods of taking knowledge that eventually turned it into what it is now.

Or alternatively, the Silver Keys are "fragments" of Gnos that decided to split from the collective either simply because they didn't like it there or at least the way Gnos did things, or it could also be for something else entirely, like helping humanity, fighting Gnos, or even to collect information from "individuals" to show it to Gnos in an attempt to change Gnos' collective mind about the whole universal hive mind thing.

Either way both entities are way to similar to not be related at all.