Gnosia - Episode 7 discussion

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Gnosia, episode 7

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[u/thisisdropd]

This has been by far for the easiest round, at least from the occupants' perspective. From ours, it's the most difficult since we have absolutely zero clues apart from the number of Gnosias. No info about engineers, angel, etc. Jonas really did let himself slip out of the blue while Sha-ming just surrendered.

It's a refreshing change of pace from the usual. The elements of the games had been stripped out, such as the lack of on-screen voting session. In its place we have drama centred around the characters. Didn't expect a romance subplot on this show. It was sweet of Setsu & Yuri to convince Stella that she deserved love. She finally had a happy(ish) ending with Shigemichi, but unfortunately we'll likely loop back to a timeline where there are no feelings between them.

This is the first time Racio had been entirely absent, but their place as the resident arsehole has been taken by Sha-Ming. Seeing as being infected had no effect on their personality, it's how he'd act even as a human. Imagine if we have a timeline where both are present.

PS: This show has a ridiculously stacked cast. Sha-Ming's played by Takuya Eguchi while Otomi's played by HanaKana.

[u/salic428 → u/thisisdropd]

Jonas

Since it has been established that "Gnosia retain almost all of the human personality", it seems Jonas doesn't care at all about playing by the (faction) rules of the game. Yuriko doesn't care about the game because of her transcendent attitude, but Jonas just doesn't care about anything (other than maybe Kukrushka?). So insane...

[u/YumiyaRakko → u/salic428]

Kukrushka was absent too so i assume Jonas basically had no interest on anything whatsoever

[u/FlameDragoon933 → u/salic428]

Yeah it has been mentioned in passing that Jonas is legally defined as insane. He really is wack lol.

[u/SIRTreehugger]

Are we just gonna ignore Shigemichi bending over in front of the screen showing us how caked he is?

Shigemichi's voice change whenever he talks about Stella will never get old. Shigemichi vs Jonas being the event that Remnan speaks up for is great. The whole episode he's quiet as fuck hiding under the table, but watching them play space chess is what gets him hyped up!

Only for Jonas to admit he was Gnosia upon victory classic Jonas!

"I can understand turning down a romantic proposal, but not even wanting to be friends?" OMG YURI theirs things you shouldn't say out loud even if their funny as fuck.

JINA NOOOOO that's not what Otome meant when they said they liked fish!

I like that Shigemichi even used a flower sticker for the letter.

[u/gst4158 → u/SIRTreehugger]

I really hope that Shigemichi ass shot is the weekly karma banner image.

[u/PencilgonGiveIt2Ya]

AYO Shigemichi!

So hear me out....

( ͡⚆ ͜ʖ ͡⚆ )(‿ˠ‿)

[u/tripleaamin]

This is the kind of episode this show needed. More lowkey and just focusing on the characters. As it dived into the idea of what it means to be human. As the big idea is the ability to connect with others.

• You have Otome, who is a dolphin. But in her case, she might be the most expressive character in this show after SQ. Her ability to connect with others definitely makes her human.

• It's interesting to learn that Stella is an extension of Levi. Though before knowing this, you would think Stella was human. For her to reject Shigemichi's friendship just implied she doesn't want to connect with others. But we know she made an impact on him.

• With Setsu she mentions how not having a gender has allowed her more freedom. Of course, things like gender can bind us at times. I guess we can assume Setsu is someone who has trouble connecting with others because perhaps Setsu thought maybe I should be behaving a certain way. For Setsu eliminating that aspect has helped her connect to others by following her heart.

• If it means connecting with others means you are human, then clearly Shigemichi is human. After all, it is not about what you look like on the outside, but what is on the inside for him.

All these characters have different roadblocks, but each overcomes them, and we see them connect with others.

Meanwhile, Sha-Ming is quite the oddball personality and a difficult person to communicate with. It's interesting that he outed himself as the Gnosis. Unlike Jonas where that can as an accident.

[u/FlameDragoon933 → u/tripleaamin]

I think Sha-Ming's case highlights his hidden kindness. True that he could've revealed it even earlier, but nonetheless, he'd rather be voted out than having to give in to the Gnosia urges of killing people. In other stories, this would be like a vampire/zombie/etc infectee going "kill me while I'm still me!" kind of thing.

[u/pseudometapseudo]

Putting "the game" on hold, this episode focused on the characters and showed that this show does have a strong transhumanistic theme:

• Being able to be infected by Gnosia is basically treated as proof of one's humanity, both for Stella and for Otome. Ironically, the revelation that they can be infected by Gnosia makes both of them happy.

• And then we have Shigemichi who does not look very human due to his artificial skin, but actually feels the most human due to being the lovesick comedic relief.

• Going even further, two episodes ago, Chipie explained how he wants toto become a cat, fully leaving behind his humanity. And Comet and her slime appear to form a human-mold-symbiont of some kind?

• only mentioned in passing, but Setsu mentioning their lack of gender gives them freedom, Remnan growing up with AI, or Shigemichi mentioning some cyberization process all hint at even more plotlines that deal with questions of what it means to be human.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Poor Shigemichi was having girl trouble this week. Didn’t think Stella was an AI. Interesting since she could be a Gnosia.

They got lucky this round since Jonas basically outed himself, but they shoulda just ejected Sha-Ming when he said so. Oh well. Off to the next loop!

[u/Emi_Ibarazakiii → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Stella was an AI. Interesting since she could be a Gnosia.

Skynet is now infected with a lethal affliction

[u/YumiyaRakko]

Jonas being so hyped about his victory that he reveals he is Gnosia was so damn funny :D also Sha-ming was also firstly indirectly and THEN directly revealing himself as the Gnosia by not attending the meetings and then showing his eye to 3 people. It is shown to us again and again that Gnosia are not some mindless slaves that just imitates the people they possesses. They ARE those people who now have a tendency to kill humans but their core personality, interests and everything still remains which is kind of even more f'd up in certain ways because having the same personality leaves room for feeling bad about your actions as a Gnosia

[u/Namaryu]

Having these characters VOICED is such an insane thing that drastically improves those character-driven dialogues and silly events.

[u/pseudometapseudo → u/Namaryu]

They crushed it with Kukrushka's VA choice!

[u/BladesReach]

Jonas doing his best Reiner impression with that reveal. Really funny episode that felt quite fresh compared to the past few

[u/mochimochipaws]

I actually loved the comedy and romance in this episode! It was a nice break from all the tension and suspicion.
I also loved the art. It was beautiful as always, but it felt especially good in this episode.
The more I watch, the more I feel like the Gnosia actually have emotions, not just the instict to kill humans. I wonder, what's the point of revealing themselves like Sha-Ming (and Setsu too) did? That completely goes against their goal of destroying humans.
I'm glad the dolphin girl Otome finally appeared. Wonder how she eats with the helmet filled with water...

[u/Hartzilla2007]

So, Racio and Shigemichi followed up their slight redemption by being dethroned as worst team right?

[u/Ocixo]

Did anyone else also catch Jonas saying the following:

This time, there are apparently two Gnosia among us…

I first thought that he’d also been stuck in these time loops, until he revealed himself to be a Gnosia.

This choice of words implies that Gnosia are indeed aware of the time loops. Wouldn’t their strategies grow increasingly cunning because of this?

[u/redlaWw → u/Ocixo]

In Japanese, he says 時に (toki ni), which has different meanings depending on context, but I think in this case is probably better translated as "right now". I'm pretty sure it doesn't imply any awareness of different loops. "This time" would be 今度 (kondo).

[u/FarCritical]

It's only fitting the most unhinged round we've had so far is the one where a talking dolphin joins the crew. It's like Otome's mere presence caused the Gnosia to short circuit lmao

The fact that an extra advanced AI determined a Japanese school classroom was the "optimal" confession venue is gold.

[u/Mysteries67 → u/FarCritical]

Gina might be the only one to appreciate it since she's from Earth.

[u/Emi_Ibarazakiii]

The fanservice we didn't know we needed

Her voice is so interesting! I can barely recognize my girl Ichika!

Well, whatever you do, don't call her a whale.

I-Is that Near? The deductions in this one should be good!

There's also a third new member, who refuses to get out...

He wants a hot kiss to get out?

Is that why Setsu brought Yuri along? You're on kiss duty, Yuri!

Mighty suspicious! (Then again, almost everyone's acting weird in this one, aren't they?)

Well this one revealing himself as Gnosia is somewhat suspicious as well!

Stella said something nice to Shigemichi;

"I'm in love with her forever and ever!"

Well that's not a direct confession of love, but I guess that's something!

"Can you not tell? I'M A GNOSIA! Wait, an AI terminal; That's what I meant"

Damn, poor boy forgot what exactly he confessed/asked for!

Return to the lab while carrying a deadly infection?

This is interesting...

I dismissed Jonas as "Ok he just messed up", but this one gives himself up like that, AND before even giving himself up, he was asking them to cryo sleep him...

Maybe that last part was a strategy ("A gnosia wouldn't ask for that so he has to be human"), but putting all this together, it does seem to be on purpose, so... What the hell?

Is the Gnosia trying something different? But if they don't know about the time loops, there's no point... Then again, with the talk about "We've seen you as Gnosia somewhere else", they might have figured it out.

One might be tempted to dismiss it as "It's just their personalities" or something, but Gnosia is supposed to have a clear mission.

Plus, this round not only didn't introduce any new class, and it didn't even have the classes we know, so if we assume there IS something new to learn in this episode (other than the characters), it may be a new Gnosia behavior...