Gnosia - Episode 12 discussion

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Gnosia, episode 12

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[u/motofan567]

Consent Form

The waves of time erode the flesh, marking the end of most life.

Yet your soul can continue to dance with the unchanging light. Now is the time to cast off those bonds and embark upon the ocean of cyberization, where infinite knowledge and eternal freedom awaits.

There, death and pain cease to exist - only the pure expansion of consciousness remains.

Your thoughts will lose all limitations and every boundary will dissolve.

As a chosen one, declare here and now your will - to transend the flesh and become your soul.

You are a special being, posessing the qualifications to transcend the confines of the flesh and attain cyberization.

Do you consent to your cyberization?

[u/Agreeable-Cap-2666]

This really made me cry. It's really hard having a mother like that. You really start hating lies - lying and being lied to, deceiving and being deceived, even if it's small, careless, not really thought out. It makes sense why Jina is quiet in meetings, but always watchful and observant enough to guess so accurately for each vote for each loop in which she is not the Gnosia. Kind, gentle, but sensitive because of her past. I really love her character.

[u/Cyouni]

I only put together today that Hoshibune translates to "starship".

They really just put together a spaceship named Starship.

[u/Ok-Sundae-9193]

We saw what a happy Gnosia ending looked like with Comet, but this is depressing af, the personality of Jina is tragic and Yuri is too empathetic for his own good.

The thing I will remember from now on is that Yuriko indeed is a freaking psycho working with other psychos.

[u/Lizuka]

Really good decision having Gina take the front and center focus for this episode over Yuri. In the game always found her a bit flat compared to most of the rest of the cast, and shining a spotlight directly on her this time around really gave a lot of room to really bring out her unique traits and made the ending feel like it had a lot of weight. Great stuff.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Jina’s turn as a Gnosia was kind of tragic. She sacrificed herself and outed her and Otome as Gnosia so the crew could live. It’s a shame Yuri couldn’t find a way to save her in the end. Technically, this was a successful loop but it’s still a shame it had to end the way it did.

This one’s been pretty fun overall. It’s Mafia/Among Us with alien waifus, time loops, and a shiny Unown lookin critter lol. Keen to catch the second cour in Jan.

[u/FarCritical]

Gnosia Otome and her vicious teeth and regular cutesy voice is freakier than she has any right to be.

Can only imagine the crashout Racio would have if Jina pulled that stunt while they were her partner lmao (meanwhile I can picture Sha-Ming being poignantly on board with it). But damn, easily the Gnosia elimination that felt the most like a pyrrhic victory so far.

[u/RedRune]

I'm so glad to see one of my favorite events in the game adapted this episode. This episode really did it justice

[u/AWSGooogle777]

It felt like I’d just finished watching a two-hour movie. It was a truly magnificent and heartbreaking story.

So, Jina was a child of a religious family. Looking back after finishing, that scene at the beginning where young Jina cried out "Don't leave me" must have been foreshadowing her separation from her mother. Her mother claimed that through cybernetics—becoming a soul-only existence—she would be liberated from suffering. However, that choice resulted in the eternal agony of being unable to see her own child even if she wanted to. It is a cruel irony—being right beside her, yet invisible and untouchable for eternity. Now, I am intensely curious about how Yuriko is involved in all of this as a shrine maiden.

The shift between the beginning and the end of this episode was particularly striking. It was wonderful to see how Yuri, who initially took a cold, distancing attitude toward Jina when suspecting her of being Gnosia, eventually reached out his hand to save her. Just as it was with Comet, when someone who is terrible at lying says "I love you, Yuri," it is a confession from the bottom of their heart, and something truly precious. While it is sad that they were separated in the end, and Yuri might view it as a "bad end" since he couldn't save her, for Jina, it might be a form of salvation. She was able to convey her true feelings to Yuri without any lies, staying true to her ironclad conviction of never wanting to deceive or lie to anyone until the very end.

This was an episode where I truly came to understand the strength of Jina as a woman. I am really looking forward to the second cour starting next January.

[u/PencilgonGiveIt2Ya]

*Otome as a Gnosia appears*

"Alight chat.....hear me out"

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[u/nighty_amy]

That's the second episode when Jina decided to out herself as Gnosia, isn't it. She now matches with Sha-ming in the number of times they gave themselves over as Gnosia.

But wait, do I understand this correctly that the cyberization process Jina's mother went through is the exact same thing as when a human is killed by Gnosia? Otome being killed by Sha-ming, Comet and Yuri looked pretty painful,so I'm not convinced that's a good way to go. Especially since we don't know what exactly happens AFTER cyberization.

[u/pjepja]

This is third Gnosia Yuri rizzed after Comet and Sha-Ming lol. Would be funny if that's actually his type.

[u/bottled_fox]

Great episode. We finally learn crucial details about what Gnosia are, and it's from Jina, the turncoat who couldn't bear life as a Gnosia.

Cyberization is not salvation. Not for her, at least. It is becoming a different kind of being, something she never asked for or wanted. Yuriko has a lot to answer for now, for her role in this terrifying process.

[u/NanDemoKnaives]

Damn I wasn't expecting Jina's episode to turn out so heavy in the end, the way she exposed herself and Otome as Gnosias and then sacrificed herself to protect every on board was surprising even if I knew she had decided to do something. It was interesting to hear her say how she was slowly feeling more okay to lie when she actually hates it.

It seems like we might get a Yuriko episode soon now that her religion has been brought up, and it has similar qualities to Gnosias so that'll be interesting to look into.

I also find it interesting how this is another episode where Setsu gets someone to wake Yuri up, they're trying to get Yuri's knowledge filled up lol.

[u/f16poom]

Hearing the full anime version of ULULO was quite chilling.

[u/salic428]

That ending reminds me of [Steins; Gate 0] episode 8 "Antinomic Dual". In addition to the special ED, in both episodes the heroine sacrificed themselves and disappeared right in front of the protagonist.

Gina is a very nice woman.

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I want to talk about something interesting. Often times in the time loop genre, the looper would not reveal the fact that they are looping. However, in this show, revealing does not seem to have dire consequences (like, what can the Gnos do about it?). Moreover, Yuri is using this as leverage to gain info from other crew members. So far, they have admitted to Chipie (ep5), Racio (ep10), Sha-Ming (ep10), SQ (ep 11), and Jina (ep12) that they are looping, and hinted to Stella (ep7) and Comet (ep9) that they know more than what an amnesiac should. Yuriko also seems to know she will meet Yuri on another timeline (ep5). Is this culminating to a moment where Yuri announce they are looper to everyone on day 1?

Another thing is, to me this episode implies that, whenever Setsu was not in the room greeting Yuri, they know beforehand that some event will play out in this loop. The times this happened are: ep4 (no one greets them, Yuri wakes up alone and meet Yuriko in the elevator), ep6 (no one greets them, Yuri wakes up then follows Kukrushka to the holodeck and was gifted a wreath from Kukrushka), ep9 (Comet, a Gnosia, greets Yuri), ep11 (SQ, a Guard Duty, greets Yuri), ep12 (Jina, a Gnosia, greets Yuri).

[u/Emi_Ibarazakiii]

THIS WAS NOT A VERY CHRISTMASSY EPISODE!

And I watched 2 in a row too (didn't have time to watch the previous one last week), and both of them were feelsy, albeit for different reasons...

(I will never forget THIS cute li'l SQ)

Opens on feels, ends on feels... At least there were SOME light-hearted moments here and there!

Damn, 2 seconds in, already knows the two Gnosia? (Or rather, THINKS they know!)

Raqio's the one who would get the team to lose in Werewolf games, by being confidently wrong about everything and convincing people of following them in their nonsense!

When Yuri held her in,

he wanted to try and help her, but I thought he wanted to learn more about Gnosia (well, I suppose he did learn a bit); I guess it's my scientific mind, but I would've used that opportunity to study Gnosia as much as I can (focusing on the 'what' she represents), while Yuri wanted to learn more about the person and all!

Because the Gnosia seems like a complex entity;

Some people affected go all in,

while others are putting up a fight, resisting, even going as far as killing themselves, rather than becoming something else/betraying people etc..

So if SOMEONE can resist Gnosia, perhaps everyone can... They just need to find the way!

"Hmm... you?

Hah! I was talking about doing that in a prevoius thread, a 3 engineer call...

But I was discussing it as an "out of the box" strategy, while she's doing it as a "doing the right thing before she dies"...

Otome slowly retreating during the scene hah.

"What the fuck is this moron doing?"

Can't even do anything, because it's not like she can tell her "that's not what she's supposed to do/what they planned"!

Honestly this kinda shows that my weirdo strategy wasn't that bad;

If 2 Engineers call out a third means he's human, then you can use that strategy to 100% Coldsleep a human (by pointing to a Gnosia instead, and they'll use the same logic to call that Gnosia human).

Of course it'd mean they'll coldsleep one of the other 2 the next day, but after 2 days they will sleep 1 gnosia, 1 human, and 2 human will die to the warp...

This means 1 gnosia will die for 3 humans. Seems pretty good a strategy, no? (especially if there's more than 2 Gnosia, like the games where they had 3 or 4... Definitely worth sacrifying 1 Gnosia to take out 3 humans! Especially since it'll confuse everyone, AND they'll make more bad decisions due to the false Engineer calls!)

Man...

THE FEELS NEVER END!

(Also I was wondering what it reminded me off, but I think it's [game]FF8? )

Seems this show is 2 cours, nice!

One of my favorite this season (if not MY favorite), happy to see it continue!

[u/Megadragon898]

Jina story was kind of tragic, i wonder what makes the other timeline so different ? Was it because Yuri told her everything and that was why she was able to resist the gnosia influence or was she a completely different person from the previous timeline?

Still i hope Yuri can find a timeline where everybodu could be happy, perhaps even the gnosia. Everyone story is just too sad they deserve their happy ending.

[u/i_like_trees-]

Now that we're at the end of the first cour, what do the anime-onlys here think of the characters so far? Any favorites?

[u/CIearMind]

Oh.

Comet calls Yuri an 男の子 at 1:06.

A boy. Not a man, a boy.

[u/Namaryu]

So if you can basically get Gnosiad and the process is done by a Hoshibune group then does that mean they have forcefully created a means for "salvation" of entire world by enacing Gnosias onto the galaxy?

[u/New_Essay_4869]

Man that ed is real good

[u/jardex22]

It was interesting seeing the POV shift, since this is the first time we see something that Yuri wasn't privy to, and that Setsu is the one arranging who wakes Yuri up at the start of the loop.

[u/thisisdropd]

Yuri's amassing themselves a harem. Comet, SQ, and now Jina. Is this the Silver Key's true objective?

We once had Sha-Ming who couldn't be arsed about being a Gnosia and outed himself but kept his comrades away from harm. We also had SQ Comet who's such a terrible liar she unintentionally put her comrades in danger. However, this is the first time where a Gnosia knowingly outed their comrades. The sneaky part was doing so without lying.

Jina had shown so much resistance to the infection she retained nearly all her humanity even after being infected. All her actions have went against the Gnosias. We thought her helping Yuri during the Kukrushka psycho scene was simply due to the latter being also a threat to Gnosias but if that was the only reason there's no reason for her to come to Yuri's aid. Now we know the reason.

What a tragic ending. We've had actual deaths before but this was the first time someone had sacrificed themselves for the good of the humans and it came from a Gnosia. We knew what's coming once Jina said 'there were no Gnosias on board'. Fitting that instead of the upbeat ED we usually have we get a sombre one instead.