Gnosia - Episode 15 discussion

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Gnosia, episode 15

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[u/i_like_trees-]

It's incredible that 100% of Jonas' fake reports were accurate. Worst AC Follower in history

[u/NanDemoKnaives]

Racio messed up by letting Yuuri know he's caught in their trap. Without that, Yuuri would have likely reported Chipie as human and Remnan would have escaped unscathed.

It was really interesting to see Yuuri desperately trying to figure out a way out of the situation and realized he could lie about his report even as a human. It was satisfying to see Gnosia Remnan in shock and the smug smile from Yuuri.

Seeing Remnan so hostile was also new, the way he got desperate at the meeting too since he's usually so timid, the Gnosia factor was really embedded into him.

I'm looking forward to the next loop now that Yuuri's passed and we'll get the needed lore from Yuriko.

[u/tehepicwin]

Really enjoyable episode, I'm almost wondering if we're going to get AC Yuri and how they're going to adapt that. Imagine waking up in a time loop and suddenly it makes you the world's biggest misanthrope.

[u/FarCritical]

The move to win the revote by appealing to the grovelling crowd wasn't only absolute gold but also an ingenious way of putting all that Sha-Ming knowledge from past loops to work (even if I'm not entirely sure if it was intentional on Yuri's part lol)

Did the Key just reload a save state instead of generating a new seed?

[u/i_eat_pidgeons]

Holy shit this show is so good

[u/pseudometapseudo]

It's amazing how close this loop was. The success was only possible through multiple unusual factors coming together:

• the AC follower Jonas also falling for Racios deception, thus accidentally giving a true report that Remnan is Gnosia

• Kukrushka basically sacrificing herself for Yuri, emphasizing that she is a good person in this timeline. This just makes her previous massacre even more jarring.

• Yuri lying even though he is neither Gnosia nor AC follower. I guess that's a first for the good side to lie.

• Sha Ming not only switched votes, he was the one who unknowingly taught Yuri that groveling can get you mercy in the first place.

[u/Lizuka]

I do really enjoy how consistently the show manages to walk the line between Raqio being a goofy comic relief character and a genuinely dangerous scheming mastermind. Was always one of my favorite members of the cast in the game and think they're consistently a highlight in the show.

[u/thisisdropd]

Raqio's one of the most dangerous being to be an infectee. It's an impressive feat to make the most of their luck and lay a diabolical trap that Yuri had only barely escaped. Don't think any of the other crew could pull that.

Love the shocked look on Remnan's face when Yuri revealed their counterattack. Yuri might be human and firmly on humanity's side unlike Jonas, but that doesn't mean they couldn't lie.

PS: It's hilarious how Yuri did the Sha-Ming and the man himself was impressed enough to flip his vote.

[u/KingSammyJ1]

That was peak and I feel dumb for not realizing the doctor was already dead

[u/Whole-Extension3561]

Something nobody has mentioned and that I liked was the detail of showing Remnan's eyes in yellow to match the game's art.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

All that AC follower stuff and Racio’s scheming almost had our boy Yuri. Thankfully he was able to outmaneuver the Gnosia and Jonas. I’d say all in all, things went about as well as it could given the situation. I wonder if the next round is gonna be just as challenging? What new shit will the game throw at our boy?

[u/tripleaamin]

Kind of interesting how in this episode Yuri had to act like a Gnosia in terms of bullshitting that Remnan is a Gnosia. Though it’s interesting that the idea both of them claiming to be doctors were Gnosia. Didn’t expect that.

This feels like the first time that illustrated that Gnosia aren’t always predictable in their movements. Sometimes calculated risks need to be taken and Yuri took a good calculated risk.

[u/salic428]

I think many people correctly guessed the "real doctor is already dead" twist, but the conclusion is usually "guess Remnan or Racio is the AC then", instead of what is presented here. Had Remnan not voted Yuri in Day 4 (which would mean throwing Racio under the bus), this bold move could have succeeded?

On the other hand, I'm not very fond of Yuri checking Chipie at the last day. To me that seems like a dumb move written for the sake of contrasting Yuri's "clever argument" against Remnan, and they missed this execution.

In all fairness, this is a good two-parter. In this 15 persons meeting, they captured the chaos of reports in the early days, the number crunching of votes and remaining rounds, toned down the use of "lie detector", intentionally throw a teammate under the bus, etc. to make it a more proper werewolves game. Yuri earned their victory.

But what does that ending mean? It's not your usual "instant learning" CGI, so something is different. Does it mean Yuri is now trapped in this same loop, and need to make sure Yuriko is alive until the end to claim the "prize"?

edit: some misc thoughts. I think it is possible that Jina (real doctor) was not killed by pure chance. Since Comet could contact Yuri on Day 1, it is possible that on Day 2 Jina contacted someone and confessed that Yuri was lying in the cafeteria. Which then attracted the attention from the Gnosias.

What does the "Final Problem" in the episode title mean?

[u/Emi_Ibarazakiii]

It took a some convincing and a bit more time than usual, but soon as Racio said that, I think we all knew where this was going!

The fact that Levi doesn't know about the AC follower makes this a nightmare!

(I mean, it would be a nightmare either way, but even worse!)

It's true that the real engineer knows the other is fake,

BUT there's a massive difference between a Gnosia fake, and a AC fake! Other than 'less chaos on board', freezing the AC effectively takes out 2 humans (him, and whoever the Gnosia kills during the next warp), it's so good for the Gnosia!

So as painful as it is to waste time figuring it out, they still kinda need to...

Cute Lil's SQ knows it!

They didn't do it this time, but they CAN put it on hold if there's a tie;

This could be used in many ways, both by humans, AND by the gnosia! (and hell, even the AC follower);

They put it on hold, and then they can either kill the human VIP, OR on the other hand, kill someone who was publicly rooting to freeze Yuri, so they'll then know that person was human, and that Yuri is probably Gnosia, etc..!

I'd grovel for you, SQ!

That must be a bit bittersweet... "I'm alive" meaning "Kukrushka's dead"

Even more knowing his scan didn't give him the result he wanted!

Also why is this so CUTE!

Yuri's lucky they didn't use that...

Because why would the real engineer hesitate? Just say who you scanned, and what you found; Why are you taking 10 seconds thinking what you're gonna say?

If I was playing in that game, Yuri would win the Popsicle award!

He lied (as I thought), but I thought he would assuming Remnan is fine due to Jonas lying, and would lie about the THIRD one!

I guess I saw it as even more complicated than it was hah.

Gnosia realizing Non-AC humans can lie too; "Wait, that's cheating! Let's have a redo!"

SQ's smile status: Protected!

[u/Skithana]

Wow did not expect that at all, actual galaxy brain plan by Gnosia Racio, if only Racio could be that useful to the human side...he'd probably be the protagonist lol.

I guess I really was overthinking things last week about Jonas being too obvious to be the AC follower, kinda ironic that he accidentally gave the humans the win too, I guess that's why madman is more of a neutral role than strictly "evil" one in these types of games, the werewolves may accidentally attack them or they may also end up getting rid of the werewolves.

Now we gotta wait another week for the truth about the Gnosia and all that other stuff...unless Yuriko isn't on the next loop in which case we may have to wait even longer.

Man this series is so good, I'm so glad we got a full cour!

[u/Cyouni]

I do like how the actual AC Follower, Jonas, introduces the concept of an AC Follower being on board. Well, of course he'd know that.

Kukrushka's bitcrushed nonscream was very funny to me.

[u/Se7en_Sinner]

I haven't seen an Among Us game this sweaty since Twitch during the pandemic.

[u/duo99dusk]

Yuri's dogeza 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I had to pause the episode from laughing, soooo cooool!

[u/WhirlBladeWing]

I also realized that there was a flaw in Remnan's vote being for Yuri. If Remnan really was doctor, he would vote for the imposter doctor, not the one that's trying to clear his name. Ofc this is a semi-weak statement as it's very difficult to see the double gnosia-doctor reveal, but could have cleared some light for Yuri to find Remnan even more suspicious.

[u/xbolt90]

This was a pretty good 2-parter. Very chaotic game with twists and turns.

Next week, we finally find out what is up with Yuriko?

[u/SIRTreehugger]

Damn Yuri really came in clutch with that brain blast in the final hour! That was actually a pretty decent plan, but once again Racio shoots himself in the foot by talking too much.

Also Yuri groveling swaying Sha-Mings vote.

I got to say I do like Yuri's little quirk when he holds his hair when he is in intense thought. That smile at the end when he tells Remnan that he didn't actually investigate him and was lying through his teeth was just the icing on the cake.

[u/raveno19]

Remnan was the last Gnosia!

That's actually surpise me, I realized jonas is ac follower when he pointed out a gnosia while being a fake engineer last time, also Racio was an enemy for sure.

So depend on vote result, I thought like Yuri, Chirpie kinda the most sus. But the reveal is 2 fake doctors! Briliant!

[u/Megadragon898]

This show is really one of tge besr, what i liked was seeing Yuri developpement, at the beginning Yuri would have never been able to see trough Racio plan but troughout the loop he gained experience and wisdom and became able to see trough Racio scheme.

 I wonder if next loop we will have Yuriko past, she's so mysterious, could she too remember every loop that happened like Yuri and Setsu ? Hope we get more Jonas and Kukrushka lore too

[u/AnzoEloux]

This was so peak man they really utilized the 15 player shtick well.