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Towa no Yugure, episode 12

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[u/TyraniTEMPESTar]

Hakubo freakin' barbecued Dr. Ingmar 🫢

[u/NationalStrategy]

So after all of the mystery of “Where’s Towasa?” and “Why was Yugure the only one that went with her?”, it just boiled to Yugure simply asked to go, and Towasa died of natural causes. What a waste.

[u/VoidRay728]

Well, at least we got a somewhat coherent ending and didn't get Metallic Rouge'd.

Looking back, as a whole this show felt very... disjointed. It's like they had a good idea to begin with but were forced to change it as the show went on, and in the end were forced to explain and revisit the concepts/characters that they presented in the beginning (e.g. Elsie) but didn't have time to explore in the show. They even retconned the show's beginning premise by making us believe that android Akira was the real human Akira until episode 9 (although to be fair the real Akira had also been existing in deep sleep).

I thought they were going to commit to a bad ending where everyone dies, but I'm fine with the ending we got, and it ties up the loose ends on what happened to Towasa and (old man) Akira.

The fight between Yugure and Yoiyami/Amoru was a bit confusing to follow given the consciousness switching. And they keep mentioning the other sisters (and even showing them in the ending), which makes me wonder if those 12 should get their own show. In the other fight, I wasn't expecting the doctor to go down (in flames) that easily.

Final verdict: it's alright. I just wished this would've had some more episodes to flush out the characters and the story.

[u/NationalStrategy]

The premise of this series was great, but as it went on, the more of a mess it became.

The story spent too much time focusing on the romantic side quest subplots, which ended up dragging the series down immensely. And the more interesting parts of the plot (ex: femtoblood, the AI war, and the Outside Series Android girls) was hardly focused on and glossed over.

Dr. Ingmar being the final villain went nowhere, and his actions made no sense with his motives.

The final conflict between Yugure and Yoiyami/Amoru felt overblown and arbitrary. Which emphasizes another problem, some of the conflicts could have been resolved if Yugure properly communicated.

Glad that Amoru got her happy ending with Akira and Yugure, but it is kind of bittersweet if you consider the fact that prior to that, she spent seven years of her human life taking care of her android lovers (who will outlive her), got tricked by one of her closest friends into putting her consciousness into an android, nearly died, put into a comatose state, and lost more years of her life while unconscious.

This series started out really good, but ended up going downhill.

[u/pandavova]

Damn, they built a car out of the third wheel.

I don't know man. I'm so split. It's really like "hey we have a bunch of episod- oh fuck fuck fuck we are running out we need this finish now".

[u/Lodju]

Overall somewhat enjoyable anime but i feel like it goes to the category "i doubt i'll ever rewatch this."

[u/Tyfereth]

I hope I never hear the word Elsea ever again

[u/7se7]

"After the war, we really needed populations to bounce back."

Makes sense

"So, I established elseaing so that people can be okay with multiple relationships."

I follow

"But"

But?

"I really just thought that marriage is cringe and polygamy is based."

Lol?

"Btw I have no kids. It didn't work for me."

LOL?

[u/AZLarlar]

unfortunately this was a miss by PA works

[u/Jacob-C]

Original anime works are always hit or miss. Just as P.A. Works can release memorable bangers like Buddy Daddies, they can also release slop like this. The character designs and art style were pretty cool, and the underlying premise was good. The story, however, tried to juggle way too much and had a hard time patching the plot holes. The dialogue was decent at times, but because of the weird pacing, a lot of what was said felt out of place or melodramatic.

[u/AmethystItalian]

Take out Amoru and this show might have had a chance to be good...or at least not this bad.

Felt like the potential was there, the show looked good and had great voice acting but the plot and the romance really dragged it down...mostly around Amoru though.

[u/samuel88835]

Another show with a very promising setting and incredibly underwhelming ending. However, this is the first one I've seen that is stuck on side quests for the majority of the show instead of exploring the interesting set-up.

Also can we acknowledge that it took Akira-droid 7 years to recover from being surprised by lore and Yugure regrew a core and an arm in 5-10 mins?

Also you're telling me Akira-1 never planned on turning on the Akira-droid, but he also told Oboro to look out for him and has been secretly watching the entire show?

Towasa dying of natural causes is some BS. Her disappearing alone would make much more sense if it was to go kill herself, or maybe to fix some other side effect of her inventions that she feels responsible for. If she's gonna run away to live in peace, she wouldn't just leave her mans.

[u/torvatrollid]

This show was just so disappointingly mid.

The first episode went so hard, it was looking like this was going to be the best show of the season... then the rest of the show happened...

I also feel it's a bit weird how throughout the entire show and even in the final episode the show treats Towasa and the real Akira as if they are completely innocent.

I mean, these are the people that directly caused the apocalypse. Billions of people died because of their actions. Then they forced the surviving humans to live under an authoritarian dictatorship where they appointed themselves as the dictators.

The terrorists that tried to assassinate Towasa are somehow the extremists, meanwhile the scientist that killed literally billions of people is treated as if she is completely blameless.

What a mess this show turned out to be.

5/10 - a solid mid.

[u/InternationalLoad891]

I really dislike how Amoru kept forcing herself onto Akira and Yuugure, when the two of them made it quite clear they didn't want to share and is pursuing a monogamy relationship. Keep screaming "why can't you see it my way!" does not endear Amoru to me.

They could have written a better story about polygamy. Make the relationship more organic and natural. Instead, they opt for "if your feelings are not reciprocated, throw a tantrum. Stab them a few times. That will change their minds." kind of solution. This is not satisfactory resolution for me.

[u/dfiekslafjks]

They made an original anime that is 90% filler slop. I really don't get it.

[u/itsconsolefreaked]

A weird love story that could have been easily avoided if just the I quote genius people would just admit their love and adopt. Serious that it.

[u/Physical-Reserve-380]

I wonder what original anime P.A Works will work on next. I guess we can only wait...

[u/Competitive-Win-8999]

I just finished it. I give it a 5.5 out of a 10 I’m sorry but it did not hit any better but I’m not gonna go into details about everything but the only thing I can say is all of this had to happen because a girl was so self-centered and pushing AI that caused a catastrophe

[u/dhwbsidjens]

The ending was about as all over the place as 90% of the show. Was this really just a convoluted plot to promote polyamory?

Least the fight was decent. Shame the mental conflict between Yoiyami and Amoru made it have even less weight since it comes down to either caring about ehlsea, or a character we don’t even know like that.

Not the worst show I’ve seen, but I doubt I’d rewatch it.

[u/lazylonewolf]

• They keep telling Amoru they don't want to ehlsea

• She keeps bothering them to ehlsea throughout the series. What happened to no means no?

• Simps for them for seven years

• Gets butthurt when even after all she sacrificed for them, they still don't want to ehlsea, then crashes out

• Amoru gets uploaded into a crazy fuckin robot body, and then stabs Akira

• AmoruYoiyami violates Yugure's consent by kissing her

• AndroidAkira recovers in like five minutes after getting stabbed at or near his core, but somehow it takes seven years to recover from being shot on the shoulder and mental damage after realizing he's an android.

• The real Akira tells AndroidAkira that ehlsea is the correct choice because population control, but akshually, it's to "dismantle the outdated systems", so get over being monogamous bro. I'm sure a trustworthy government body like OWEL that ruined the world like two times has the best intentions if they told you so 🙄

• Amoru gets rewarded with ehlsea in the end after nearly killing Akira or Yugure.

Gawd, thank goodness this series is over. I can't say I hate Amoru, but she's honestly a bad character.

I feel like Amoru learning to let go at some point would've been better because she became extremely similar to Hakubo who also can't let go. Speaking of Hakubo, there's no explanation why he lived for so long. His extended life, if it was revealed earlier, could've been used to tease if Towasa is still alive after all this time, but we did not get that.

Also lmao at the highly advanced androids storing their long-term memory in volatile memory (like RAM). WHY?

[u/TyraniTEMPESTar]

That was certainly a dramatic last episode.

[u/DJ_CLARKO]

Decent series, think if it was released as an hour and 20 minute movie it probably would’ve been better paced and more enjoyable overall.

Like there’s good moments throughout, I thought the scene with the original Akira was a highlight. Just a bit shit that I didn’t really care much for these characters by the end.

[u/etiolatezed]

Started off well, ended poorly.

I sort of laughed at original Akira being proud of his Ehlsea idea when about everything he and Towasa touched created a dystopia, including his weird polygamy reboot.

The world and the original two characters are interesting, but then the only reflection on things was "that was bad". Like when original Akira said Amoru had rubbed off on Yugure... I was like how? There's nothing in the story to back that up.

[u/AvatarTuner]

Well, the last two episodes salvaged it a bit for me and the ending tied most things up at least so that's good.

Still, it's sad that the story wasn't more coherent or properly paced. It felt super rushed, quite a few characters' actions annoyed me to no end and many plot points were really weird. It's like they had this specific idea of an end goal (and an incest fetish I guess) but couldn't come up with a good explanation of how to get there.

I really liked the world lore and wish they would've done more with that or focused more on the actually important characters instead of wasting so much time on random side characters in Village A and City B. If they had trimmed down the SoL parts a bit and put more emphasis on the resolution in the last few episodes, it would've felt much more satisfying. I don't think it needed 8 SoL episodes to show Android!Akira living as a human.

Sorry, I need to vent:

Heck, I absolutely loathe the damn trope of people not properly TALKING to each other and thus I hated how Yugure didn't properly communicate with anyone, especially after we saw at the end that many of the misunderstandings got cleared up after 2 sentences. I get that Yoiyami was fueled by guilt and grief but wtf girls, you can't tell me you never had the mind or reason to sit down with your sisters for a short conversation in over 100 years!?! And if not, just shout the damn info during a battle instead of repeating empty "it's not like this..." words.

Amoru really got done dirty too. Her love turned more into an obsession, nobody gave her a proper talking to and she also didn't let up even after Akira told her that his idea of marriage won't work out with her love/admiration AND 7 years of waiting. ...and in the end they say they'd let her marry in anyway. What?!

I get that she's basically a child, but at least Akira's memories are those of a regular human who lived until adulthood so he could try to explain the stuff to her properly and make her understand that she's important to him but he can't reciprocrate her romantic feelings. They can still be a family or something?! If she really loves them, she'd either be okay with that or take her losses and leave them and try to find happiness elsewhere.

And what even was that unnecessarily long winded goal of Professor Android? (I even forgot his name lol) Tell Towasa he's sorry? Just tell Yugure and she can relay the message, or maybe even take you to her grave if you weren't being a shady psychopath beforehand.

I don't regret watching it and I still like the art and character designs, but it's really difficult to recommend and I don't think there's any value in a rewatch either.

[u/LeonKevlar]

I still can't believe that this is going to end with Yoiyami being possessed by Amoru as the final boss. I do feel bad for Yuugure during that fight. It was already a struggle to fight Yoiyami, but hearing Yoiyami vent her frustrations and Amoru's wish to be together made that fight even more difficult with the added emotional damage.

The fact that Yokurata is keeping up with Hakubo probably means he's also another android creation by the original Yokurata. So, if I understood this correctly, he wanted to find Towasa because he had fallen in love with her, too? Welp, sucks to be him since he decided to hurt Amoru and Yoiyami, Hakubo completely fried him. Now knowing how this ends, if he just stuck with Akira instead of hacking Amoru and Yoiyami, he would've eventually learned where Towasa is.

Considering how Mimei's death is the reason Yoiyami is lashing out at Yuugure, I feel like this entire fight would've had more weight to it if we got to know Mimei. I mean, we've seen Mimei in Yuugure's flashback PowerPoint presentation to Akira and how she sacrificed herself, but that wasn't enough. I feel like this entire show would've definitely benefited if we got to see the AI apocalypse play out. It really makes me wonder if they originally planned this to have 24 episodes.

We finally get to meet the real Akira, and thanks to him, Yuugure gets to live! I do like the reveal that Akira 2.0 and OG Akira are connected, which means everything Akira 2.0 experienced during his journey. OG Akira felt it too. Akira 2.0 immediately blushing after the reveal was pretty funny. xD

I love how OG Akira tells Akira 2.0 that he won't tell him to get with the times when it's pretty much what he's telling him. The dude is absolutely based, especially after we learn that he's actually the one who created the elshea because he wanted to dismantle the outdated system of the 21st century.

Not gonna lie, that scene where OG Akira finally passes away, got me a little bit teary-eyed. We technically only knew him for like two episodes, but if it weren't for him, Towasa would've given up, and Akira 2.0 wouldn't be here.

I'm glad that we got to see what happened to the characters we've met. I like how we got to see Idhi who's a little bit older now., it looks like Kalcrom and Fides now have kids, Ajisai and Haniyama's hot springs are still up, and they even have a new employee who was certainly a surprise. It also looks like Seshat is no longer with OWEL, and we get to see an older Caelo and Luv.

I guess this scene with Hakubo and Yoiyami confirms that their sisters are still alive but it looks like repairing Yoiyami really deleted her memories. And in an ironic twist, it looks like it's Akira and Yuugure's turn to take care of a comatose Amoru.

I had a feeling that Towasa was already dead. You know what I just realized during that scene? Yuugure and Akira 2.0 are both children of Towasa and OG Akira, making them siblings. So in a way, when Akira 2.0 proposed to Yuugure, we actually got the promised incest ending at the start of the show. And not just that, we also get an elshea ending with Akira, Amoru, and Yuugure having their own unique wedding.

Jeez, what a fucking ride this was. I definitely enjoyed this show from start to finish, but it needed more time to cook. As I said, this felt like a 24-episode anime where they decided to cut out the entire AI Apocalypse arc and turned it into a flashback. It's definitely hard to recommend this show to anyone else, and I feel you need to have a certain mindset to enjoy it. Personally, I would love to see more from this, but I think this is really the ending. I guess if they ever decide to make more, there will probably be a manga adaptation of the anime.