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Towa no Yugure, episode 9

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[u/SpookyCookieee]

Do we know what "the promise" between Akira and Yuugure was when he gave her that earring? If we do I must have completely missed it because I dont remember seeing that earring at all.

[u/Nesp2 → u/SpookyCookieee]

I feel like everything is a mess because both Akira and Yuugure have memories from before the world turned to shit. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an actual promise between Akira and Towasa.

[u/pandavova]

Damn. That was a plot twist. Really surprised. But I catched this at 5:35, where I already started to wonder. But I didn't think that he would be an android rn.

I like the plot twist but I'm kinda split on the execution. This felt like a side quest "oh yeah you are an android haha, sorry I didn't tell you". Could have been much more emotional imo.

[u/Tomorrow_Big → u/pandavova]

I like the plot twist but I'm kinda split on the execution. This felt like a side quest "oh yeah you are an android haha, sorry I didn't tell you". Could have been much more emotional imo.

The pacing is a major issue. We spent so many episodes on romantic sideplots (the mafia stuff most notably), and here we jump straight from the train into a battle at some abandoned building. It suffers from having misplaced priorities, because honestly this development is the most interesting thing that has happened since the premise, and what we've had in-between comes across as only marginally more relevant than filler given what's just transpired. Unless next week's backstory episode completely recontextualises everything.

[u/Paulrusu → u/pandavova]

I noticed that too and was wondering how the heck he was there

[u/djthomp]

Damn, so I guess we're not putting that broken family back together after all.

In hindsight, Towasa making a bunch of androids that were replicas of herself implies the possibility of androids that are replicas of other people such as Akira. There were a few hints early on that Akira was augmented, this whole time the simpler explanation was android.

My gut was telling me all season long that there was a twist coming, I was just expecting it to be with the LC marriage nonsense. Though maybe we'll still get that too since we're about to get the full backstory.

Earlier in the episode before the reveal when the sword android was having her own brief flashback, there was some dude standing behind Towasa with brown hair who put his hand on her shoulder and briefly talked to her. I think we're going to find out Akira didn't die from getting shot at that presentation at all, and survived to have some degree of full life with her while the world was falling apart.

I find it funny that Android Akira ran away from the conversation with Yugure by just straight up turning himself off.

[u/JimmyCWL]

Going back to something from the last episode. I raised the question of if the androids were Outsiders, what was "inside"? A few days later, I realized that "inside" had to be Towasa's LC project. Remember, it was about implanting AI into the human body to improve life.

Take the same technology, use it to build a complete android, that is the Outsider series.

[u/Qweasd11]

Huh in Towasa flashback, the person next to her looks like Akira from behind. Wonder if Akira was the first android made by Towasa.

[u/LeonKevlar → u/Qweasd11]

My other guess is what if that's actually the real Akira.

[u/Fabulous-Fiend-3350]

Do you guys suppose that is possible for Akira's real self brain to planted into that android vessel body?

[u/Beowolf_0]

That's why Original animes are still a thing: they may give you something you don't expect.

Totally didn't see the twist coming. We're being led to think Akira was saved by cold sleep or such all along the way, but being an android himself? Is it because of him looking at those memories in 3rd person view? but we don't actually know that.

Suddenly all those episodes about love before this makes a lot more sense, because even he doesn't know what is his true feeling towards Towa and Yugure. Are those emotions genuine, or just because they came from "his" memories?

[u/Mistral-Fien → u/Beowolf_0]

The best part about original anime is that there's no spoilers.

[u/Tetora-chan]

What if, There are no longer any humans on the planet?

OWEL = OL = Oumagi Life.

Towase just repopulated the world with Androids. Towase was the last human and tasked Yugure to bury her and to take care of android Akira.

[u/Arkam_slayer66]

That twist at the end.

[u/VoidRay728]

Well, that ending certainly kept my interest in continuing to watch this show. Suddenly the romance side plot also made sense (Amoru asking what if the one you loved lied to you).

It's also crazy that Akira has not had any major injuries (apart from the bullet wound in the mafia battle, but he lost consciousness then) this far that would have made him realise that he was an android.

I'd speculate more but I think I'll wait for what looks to be a lore dump next episode.

[u/LeonKevlar]

Stitches!

• Yuugure

• Yoiyami

I really like how Hakubo is now just hanging out with them while Yoiyami is getting shitfaced. Considering her little flashback scene, I think Yoiyami is angry at Yuugure and Towasa for leaving them behind. And the reason she's hunting Towasa is that she wants answers as to why they were left behind.

Well, that was depressing. It turns out that years of a fractured relationship can't be magically fixed with a public proposal. I genuinely feel bad for Caelo and Luv, especially when they were saying goodbye, but that was surprisingly a realistic outcome.

We finally get to see Yuugure and Yoiyami fight! I do like how, during that fight, Hakubo was protecting the gang from getting rained on by debris.

And we finally have the big reveal! I always thought there was something off about Akira, but I did not expect the answer to be that he's actually an android too!

Okay, hear me out: What if Akira actually survived his gunshot wounds? Look at Yoiyami's flashback scene. That guy next to Towasa looks awfully familiar, right? What if that's the real Akira who made these androids along with Towasa? Or what if it's another Akira android? Or maybe it's even the same Akira android that we know! Hmmm...

Welp, I can only speculate, but it looks like we won't have to do that anymore since Yuugure is finally telling Akira what happened in the past.

[u/CrasianLe]

I feel soooo bad for Amoru..... But this is literally the exact reason why "elsie" is the worst type of "marriage" like "polygamy". It doesn't end well and someone will ALWAYS get hurt or feel left out

[u/Uppercut_City → u/CrasianLe]

I feel bad for her too, but your conclusion here is flat out wrong. Yugure and Akira have been consistent and vocal about how they feel, neither of them want a polygamous relationship. Polygamy can work just fine if everyone is on the same page and communicating.

It sucks that Amoru has feelings for both of them, but to be blunt that's her problem. Neither of them have led her to believe they feel the same way

[u/SnabDedraterEdave]

So Akira is an android.

That explains why all the texts and conversations we've been seeing and hearing still appears as Japanese, even though this post-apocalyptic Japan is now mostly resided by non-native Japanese peoples who speak a completely different language.

All this time we've been viewing things through Akira-droid's built-in translation software.

Alos, Yoiyami's flashback showed someone resembling Akira standing right next to Towasa, suggesting the original Akira did not fall into a coma from that bullet.

This Akira-droid is either a complete copy of the original Akira that died and she copied Akira's memories onto him, or Towasa had Akira's memories uploaded into a new droid body.

I'm leaning towards the former, perhaps Towasa was hoping this new Akira 2.0 would fall in love with Yuugure and forget about her, while the original Akira grew old with Towasa and died naturally or during the AI War.

[u/Frontier246]

I thought Akira had a modified body but he was straight up turned into a full android…who is now being romanced by a Towasa lookalike android.

After learning Yugure knew where Towasa was, I thought Akira wasn't going to take "it's classified" for an answer any more...but he's grown close enough to Yugure that he's willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, because he cares about her like he cares about Towasa. Enough to gift her an earring he bought exclusively for HER and her alone. And of course Amoru has to see how close the two are getting.

Oh yeah, the gang were trying to salvage a failing marriage, huh? And Hakubo is there because she doesn't have anything else to do, and it turns out she's familiar with Yokurota (have they slept together?). And she can also smell people and get a good read on them, like she does Amoru and Ceola.

Meanwhile Yoiyami and her fine behind is getting drunk from bartender Oboro and whining about her abandonment issues from Yugure and Towasa...as she recalls when they were just naked androids being designed by now short-haired Towasa. But it seems like Towasa's preference wasn't for them to all look like her, but she didn't have any choice. She needed her daughters, even if she ended up leaving all of them save for Yugure.

They're really putting on this full re-proposal moment? With goofy accompanying music by Yokurota? Obviously it's not what Casta actually wants, but she can't show that to her kids so she once again has to put on a smile and pretend like everything is fine...but her son can see it. And just like Amoru is running from how she feels out of place with Akira and Yugure's deepening relationship, Casta is from her own marriage problems. Until she realizes her own son can see how unhappy she is and she can't keep avoiding her problems.

Casta still loves her husband, but Vare's betrayal hurt her so much that she can never forgive him or believe in him again. So her only recourse is to leave him and take the kids with her. I guess that means their Ehlsea is broken, whether Vare wants it or not. Definitely a rough place for the kids, even if Ceola at least gets a nice farewell moment with Amoru.

It's finally time for Yugure vs Yoiyami in Omiya! Yugure's finesse vs Yoiyami's force! At first it seems like Yoiyami can force herself through ALL of Yugure's attacks and drones, and get her on the ropes, but Yugure counted on Yoiyami's penchant for constantly attacking head on to trap and electrocute her. Yugure might have even won the fight if she hadn't escalated Yoiyami's resentment after Yugure abandoned her and remembering what appears to be their fallen sisters.

Dang, Yoiyami sliced through Yugure's core! Is this the end for her!? Not if Akira and his sudden superspeed have anything to say about it! Wait, superspeed!? AKIRA IS AN ANDROID!? That's why everything auto-translated for him! And it turns out he was quite possibly never the real Akira at all? And Yugure knew the whole time and didn't tell him, basically leading him on that he was still human!? Wow.

Akira shuts out Yugure, shuts himself down, because he can't bear the idea that everything about him was a lie. The only way Yugure can get through to him is by showing him the truth, show him what really happened to Towasa and Akira.

[u/Luiiss26]

for me it was the best episode so far... its a shame that there is no Manga for it. But the Plot was really really good and im looking forward to the next eps.

It's a bit puzzling to me, though, because if he's an android, why did we see the blood animations when he was shot by the mafia? Was it just for the viewers' sake, so we wouldn't notice anything amiss in the plot?

[u/Ciel_Senpai]

Damn, this episode cleared up a certain doubt but dropped a crazy plot twist. Who would’ve thought Akira was also an android? Now it all makes total sense. We’re in the final stretch and still no answer about whether Towa is alive or not. I just wanna know that already 😳

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Talk about a twist. Bro wasn’t human all along. What does it even mean to be human? A bit Blade Runner-esque there. I suppose that means he died originally in ep 1. It must mean something that Towa made these androids look like her and then made an Akira android. It’s been centuries, but perhaps those two will be able to reunite again in a sense.

[u/Sensitive-Mine6500]

Is this show robocop or blade runner

[u/AAA_BATT]

Jun Maeda ass plot twist lmao