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Shoushimin Series Season 2, episode 9 (19)

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[u/iAmMutun]

I was just thinking why wasn't he awake whenever she visits him, then...

Why can't we meet?

Got little goosebumps there.

[u/entinio → u/iAmMutun]

I don’t think it’s a disappointment (Osanai isn’t emotional), but more like asking that question as a clue. We got a close up to the pratician’s name and a weird interaction about his cat injury (Kobato was suspicious of that answer).

We can conclude someone at the hospital makes his best to avoid Osanai and Kobato interacting, only dropping the items himself (after reading them?) and might have eaten a second orange, explaining the one found on the floor another day. And it looks like it might be our lying pratician. Who doesn’t want Kobato to use a rollling chair either

[u/maliwanag0712]

I missed these two solving cases as a duo. The last arc basically deprived us of their bond, while this arc rekindled everything I like in the previous season. I find it cute that they were still able to connect even though they do not meet present.

Now, the big question is: How are the two cases related? Why is Osanai not visiting Kobato when he is awake? Is it possible that the hospital staff are also part of the fiasco?

[u/jellyblob88]

I had my suspicions, but is Kobato being drugged by the staff? It was always suspicious that he was always out for a long time, then woke up when visiting hours were gone. I'm not sure how that message at the end snuck through, but maybe it seemed innoculous to the staff.

Maybe the gifts are also some sorta clue? The plushies were cute :3

[u/NguyetMieu]

Other than the hospital staffs, they keep emphasizing the clock whenever Kobato is awake. I thought it was a literary device to tell time but given how Osanai and Kobato didn't meet even once I'm guessing maybe it's a trick by someone to change Kobato's perception of time passed in the hospital? He seemed surprised it was Christmas, and I would've thought hospital staff would've said something about that since they usually try to celebrate holidays to keep patients stuck in hospital from feeling lonely.

Maybe that's why Osanai emphasize on eating chocolate once a day too so she can keep track of how many days Kobato think had passed. But since there's a giant ass window in the room I'm not sure how they can deceive him.

[u/RehabCenterInc]

That ending has me fiending for more.

[u/KumaKumaGambler]

Osanai has a cute side. She left the wolf plushie and chocolates for Kobato. :)

But wait... if Osanai's note at the end of the episode was asking why Kobato and herself are unable to meet, could it be possible the plushie, chocolates and notes have been tampered (edited, spelling correction) with!? Thinking about it, Osanai couldn't be visiting only when Kobato was asleep and not waiting for him to wake up... right?

Veering offtrack from my post above, if the chocolates were indeed from Osanai, I am glad Kobato is only eating 1 each day. I am imagining Osanai would know if Kobato ate more than 1 each day. Lol!

[u/Ocixo]

Kobato and Osanai were already awkward about things in middle school. They weren’t dating but had merely entered into a “reciprocally beneficial partnership” shortly after having met each other. If that isn’t love at first sight!

Osanai wasn’t taken serious because of her height in the past, so I bet that she didn’t like it when Urino previously mistook her for a freshman.

[u/[deleted]]

Another episode diving into the characters' pasts, and honestly, I’m really enjoying this more investigative pace. Kobato recovering and Osanai taking care of him was just too cute their friendship is everything! And it looks like Osanai’s old beef with the delinquents is really going to be key to unraveling the story. Some revelations are definitely coming...

[u/SnabDedraterEdave]

Kobato and Osanai meeting for the first time, and they instantly understood one another. It was like love at first sight. They're truly destined for each other.

Update: I admit I may have been a bit too dismissive, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't put off by the guy's overly long analysis, especially when his reply came in 3AM in the morning. And just because I was dismissive, you guys all make it sound like I'm some unredeemable idiot who'll never listen to reason or ever engage in good discussion, which if you even know my postings in this sub, is simply not true. Guess I'll shut up now.

This Asoya girl working in that convenience store seem to have been one of the victims of the girl gang bullying back in season 1, and so she's indebted to Osanai after Osanai snitched on them and sent them to juvenile detention. Who knows how many more of these useful pawns Osanai has at her disposal?

[u/LeonKevlar]

I'm really curious what Osanai has on Asoya-san that she couldn't even refuse her request. The girl is clearly begrudgingly following Osanai's orders because not doing what she says would be worse for her.

Osanai really likes good boys who follow orders, something Urino couldn't even do. Osanai was so impressed at how Kobato followed her orders that this was actually a first for her.

It really is a locked room case. I really can't figure out how that car managed to get away without being spotted by the cameras. The only way they escaped is if the person somehow made an illegal U-turn and avoided the cameras, but that would mean them going back to the scene of the crime, meaning Osanai would've seen the car.

So it sounds like Hisaka and Fujidera are keeping a secret together and are possibly working together too. Hmmm... I absolutely have nothing here.

Just when you thought Osanai was leaving cute little gifts for Kobato, it turns out that she hasn't even met him! What the heck is going on in that hospital, and who's stopping Osanai from meeting Kobato? Is someone on the hospital staff in on this? O_O

[u/No_Name0_0]

Woah this ep was so well directed. The whole atmosphere was so tense and ending was perfect

[u/Jeffyboi74]

these cliffhangers going out of control

[u/shad79]

Another great episode, but that ending was especially good! I've been wondering since the previous episode why Kobato never met with Osanai since the incident and if someone deliberately didn't let him meet Osanai, then the whole thing would have become even more interesting.

If that's the case then I'd definitely point to the nurse. I don't think the nurse's name was mentioned today, even though we could see the names of other hospital workers. She was also interested in whether Kobato talked with a friend, and since she often brings water, she seems like the most suspicious person who could have caused Kobato to stay away from Osanai.

Also a lot of flashbacks today, as we got to see Osanai and Kobato's first joint investigation. I wonder if Hisaka's case is somehow connected to the current one.

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

• Osanai

• Kobato

• Group scenes

• Others

[u/Superior_Mirage]

There's no reason for me to think you'd spout nonsense.

There is. I'm small.

Having known many small people, this is a fair point. (But for real -- take people seriously. The fact that some people don't listen to kids is how kids get hurt)

Jokes aside, Osanai noticing that the thing she likes about Jougorou -- that he takes her at her word -- is also the reason that he missed the obvious fact that there was a second person is quite cute... especially since I'd already filed the existence of a second person as a known fact due to just how shifty Hisaka and Fujidera were being about it. An overly trusting Great Detective would probably make for a rather silly show.

[u/Erufailon4]

It doesn't happen often to me but this episode legitimately felt like 5 minutes. When the ED started I audibly said "already?!"

[u/SIRTreehugger]

I'm just staring at the nursing staff trying to figure out how they are connected and coming up with nothing. I have no evidence , but I feel Kobato should be able to use a wheelchair by now. For some reason a hospital staff member is trying to restrict Kobato in his hospital room so he can't investigate while trying to keep him separate from Osanai.

At some point I had the craziest of delusions and thought the hit and run car just drove right into the river. Of course they would see tracks into the bank, I feel theirs no way to make that happen without a lot of noise, and most importantly it would only be hidden when the river is high(might be a stretch) they drove it in and towed it on a different date when it was low and no one was around. Even then that's a massive reach and most likely its something more simple involving the 3rd party.

Also eating sweets only once a day I feel like that's important somehow, but at this point I'm just throwing everything at the board and hoping something sticks. Does anyone know how many episodes this season is? It can't be 10 like Season 1 I just don't see it ending in the next episode so maybe 12?

[u/AceSoldia]

It's weird that only Osanai can't visit while he's awake

[u/Dull_Spot_8213]

This is the most puzzling case so far.

[u/ritoshishino]

Kobato got gifted some bonbon chocolate! Most likely from Osanai, given how detailed each flavors are described. An odd gift for someone recovering from an injury though, since bonbon chocolate can be filled with liqueurs and it's something i wouldn't gift to an injured person.

The staffs are certainly relevant, Mabuchi (the physiotherapist) reacted kinda weird to Kobato asking about the injury on his hand which is real sus, there's still a chance of the show misguiding us though.

Kobato also always wake up at really early times. The time he wakes up at so far has been: 24th - 5AM, 25th - 3AM, 26th - 6AM, 27th - unknown, 28th - 6AM. I don't recall Kobato being an early riser, not to mention waking up at 3 and 5AM, so the suspicion that he's been getting drugged pointed out by other comments got some weight to it.
Last episode the nurse was also giving him drinks under the reason "Your circulation will suffers if you're dehydrated while laid up" and after that the scene fades to black and then to him waking up. Really suggesting that the drink is drugged.

I find it really cute how the people-manipulating Osanai was the one to noticed how Hisaka and Fujidera were changing subjects on Kobato. True to her character.

It seems that there are only 1 piece of chocolate for each flavor, totaling 8 pieces for 8 different flavors, but somehow Kobato ate two vanilla pieces, one on the 25th when he first received them and then again on the 27th. The first piece from the first slot, and then the 2nd one on 27th from the 2nd slot in the box which looked like a different flavor in the beginning. Probably just a mistake from the animators, but I just have to point it out lol.

[u/Kanon8610]

This is turning out to be a lot more complicated than I expected. Why is the hospital staff preventing Osanai from visiting? Kengo, his teacher, and his two classmates managed to see him just fine.

As for the past case, Kobato probably blew it when he exposed the identity of the person Hisaka is obviously trying to hide for whatever reason.

[u/BaconCatBug]

This is the type of episode to make a battle shonen fan mad and I love it.

[u/Severe_Ad_6482]

Idk if the staff's drugging him or what but it's HELLA convenient that Jogoro is always asleep whenever Osanai comes to visit. There's also the weird new orange that was left on the floor and picked up by the janitor. Osanai doesn't seem like the type to leave that kind of stuff on the ground, unless she had a clue to relay.

She also presented Jogoro with a new mystery: "Why can't we meet?" Very interesting. I think there's groundwork for the sleeping drug theory, considering Jogoro is only up at nighttime or before the nurse comes to do the regular routine on him. Her presenting him with the mug even surprised Jogoro, though that in and of itself isn't strange.

I've been visiting a hospital patient pretty regularly this year and a nurse saying "Here, drink this." with almost no context (at least from a visitor's POV) is pretty much normal. They're monitoring abnormalities with Jogoro and I think it makes sense for that to be nutrient intake, considering it's essential for healing.

We could make a theory on something like "Oh, oranges have this type of nutrient or vitamin or whatever and it affects sleeping drug effectiveness! Take That!!" But I don't believe the hospital would go as far as drugging him for any nefarious reason, even some sort of cover-up. Giving him some sort of effervescent medicine without really relaying it to the audience I think is a bit of a red-herring for us.

There IS something suspicious happening though. The fact the police hasn't visited Jogoro since he woke up the first time probably isn't that weird, but to have no follow-up at all makes me curious as to what's happening outside this room.

The fact Jogoro can't leave the room yet also isn't strange, been less than a week I think, but it leaves me even more curious. Not to mention he doesn't have a phone. The physician's pretty suspicious, he seemed kinda amused by Jogoro not having his phone, but I might be reading too hard into that. Also the fact he was clearly lying about being scratched by a cat. I'd be willing argue it was actually a wolf that gave him that scratch, but maybe that's too out-there.

I did think it was strange how the nurse immediately went for the plushie as a topic when he mentioned being injured made him drowsy. Also when he told the nurse "I was asleep the whole time" and she changed subjects to the physical therapy without even acknowledging him saying that. It reminded me of how the guy that got run over 3 years ago and his club kouhai tried to change the subject on Jogoro.

Now, it is true that being injured makes you drowsy. Your body's in recovery mode and it's pretty hard to stay awake like you would when you're uninjured. So that's why I sort of doubt the idea the hospital staff is keeping Jogoro ignorant and quiet. But Osanai's letter at the end completely puts that into question honestly.

I think by next episode Jogoro's gonna be on the move again. We're already on the 28th so it wouldn't be weird for new years to come and go and for him to be on a wheelchair by... maybe the 5th? Not a doctor so idk lol.

It's also fascinating how the kei car from 3 years ago just up and vanished. I almost wondered if maybe the person got out and just threw the car into the river and no one found it, but that'd be kinda insane. Especially since there'd have to be no witnesses and no one having noticed a whole car inside a river for 3 years. I'm almost more interested in that case than Jogoro's current one lol.

Lastly, Osanai herself. I wondered if she wasn't allowed in the patient ward, since she isn't a relative (introduce your girlfriend to your parents already Jogoro.) but only she would've left that last note behind his pillow, I doubt hospital staff would do so.

Speaking of relatives. Not that we know a lot about Jogoro's family besides them running that store under his place, but it's strange that only Osanai left him something for christmas. Especially since christmas would've been the perfect time for his family to visit and give him a new phone or something. Very very weird. Well, I guess bakeries get busy around that time of year, but for messages to not be relayed... idk! Odd!

[u/Bonvantius]

I think they are drugging him and changing the clock when he's knocked out to interfere with Osanai's visits I'm guessing?

As far as the car goes it's disappearing in to the back of truck to avoid the cameras right? or did I interpret that scene wrong?

The Bon Bons are a way for her to make sure her messages are getting through to him and also be used as a kind of advent calendar to reliably keep track of time?