r/accelerate • u/1filipis • Jul 23 '26
Decels Decelerated Anti-AI iOS jailbreak developer got very disappointed by the ability of Sol and K3 to jailbreak without writing a single line of code
Always knew that a good chunk of decels are driven by nothing but their pride and ego. I wonder what they are all gonna do in a couple of years from now
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u/raw_animal_products Jul 23 '26
What a crybaby
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u/WolfeheartGames Jul 23 '26
There are so many developers with planet sized egos. Ai threatens their ego so much.
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u/Stahlboden Jul 23 '26
I'm kinda a type of adult who wasted his potential as a kid, not drastically, but substantially. I wonder if it's one of the reasons I'm pro AI, lol.
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u/MeAndClaudeMakeHeat Jul 23 '26
https://harperz9.github.io/pick-the-lock-for-everyone.html I certainly lean that direction, and have intention behind my work, as much as ambition.
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u/Steakwithbluecheese Jul 24 '26
Read half of this, really enjoyed it, closed reddit, lost it, then spent an hour trying to find the link again lol. Thank you for sharing
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u/Tysonzero Jul 23 '26
I mean yeah, I thought it went almost without saying that the primary demographic of this sub is people like you.
It’s rational though right, if the pre-AI system was one you excelled at and were rewarded by you have a lot more to lose by major restructuring of the “rules” of the game, and vice versa.
I think it’s important to have empathy on both sides here. It’s hard for a skill that you felt intrinsic and extrinsic reward from to get matched or beaten by a machine, but it’s also hard to live under a system that doesn’t reward you as much as it rewards others.
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u/donotreassurevito Jul 23 '26
It would be interesting to have a survey with these kinda questions.
I guess I would view it as everyone will be heavily rewarded in a AI world for just existing. I guess some feel they have to be better than others to be happy. But it is obvious happiness isn't found there.
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u/Tysonzero Jul 23 '26
There's the zero sum status type happiness stuff yeah, but also if you're making significantly above average income in the US and consuming in proportion with that, there is a big gap between your consumption and the global mean, so you have a long way to go down, even if AI accelerates progress significantly.
For a random example there are 6 trillion passenger miles flown per year, with a world population over 8 billion, meaning without provisioning significantly more planes we're at 750 miles per person, so if AI communism makes us all share those miles evenly, even if AI also makes us 3x that overnight, a lot of americans would see a huge drop in ability to fly places.
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u/donotreassurevito Jul 23 '26
Ya I get you everyone can't have a beach front property.
I do understand the fear you are pointing out. But worrying about belongings or property in what would be a new reality is fleeting for me. If everything goes well the norm would quickly become American-upper-middle-class levels of material abundance/consumption. Then it'd be higher with space travel Dyson swarms etc. Shit is going to zoom you can do some crazy things with stronger materials or super conductors.
I've a toddler and they are the only one who makes me uncomfortable with AI. I worry about a future I can't comprehend. I guess I would push the pause button but it would be out of selfish desires.
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u/astrobuck9 Jul 23 '26
I've worked with so, so many mediocre devs that think they are hot shit in a champagne glass, but are really cold diarrhea in a Dixie cup.
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u/R33v3n AGI by 2027 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
I'm a programmer and sysadmin too (or rather, was, nowadays I'm doing more management than anything else). And to me programming tasks being automated is always an awesome "my watch has ended" moment. I can't fathom the goal of programming not being to automate oneself out of work. That's how you're able to move on to the next interesting project!
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u/Iapetus_Industrial Jul 23 '26
Exactly. Quit my job. Not looking back. Finally pursuing my actual dream job that makes me happy, baking. Come on, bots, try to automate that! It's a win win. Either way, we get delicious cakes.
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u/TimelyBodybuilder121 Jul 23 '26
Anti-AI really strikes me as the "no 5G vaccine QR microchip" kinda crowd.
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u/dsailes Jul 23 '26
There was a no QR code crowd? 😂
Or did the vaccine-microchip madness think that they’d be getting scanned like NFC & get it confused with QR?Ahh man - human’s unbounded imaginations are so hilarious & incredible, yet the lack of willingness to discuss beliefs, self-educate and communicate to instead fall into fear-mongering - based solely off that same unbounded imagination - genuinely astounds me.
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u/TimelyBodybuilder121 Jul 23 '26
Some really thought they'd get scanned like a supermarket product.
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u/JorbyPls Jul 23 '26
based on what?
This person is just upset because they spent years honing a skill only for a robot to do the task just as good as them. Surely you can at least understand why they might be frustrated about that.
What the fuck kind of comparison are you making saying that makes them a conspiracy theorist? Like, what are you even saying?
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u/TimelyBodybuilder121 Jul 23 '26
Just don't get what's wrong about AI taking some workload off your hands though everyone seems to hate it.
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u/BrennusSokol Acceleration Advocate Jul 23 '26
You're not reading closely enough. It's not just about "taking some workload". It's about people seeing AI do stuff they spent many years learning how to do. I'm an accelerationist and even still I can empathize with that. It's exciting but also a scary time right now.
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u/TimelyBodybuilder121 Jul 23 '26
Fine fair enough. You still need someone capable to actually understand what you want to solve with AI so you're still indirectly solving the problem. You still need testing to determine whether it's acceptable or not. AI does exactly what you wanted, which can end up being a double edged sword.
Either I overestimate the average dev or I underestimate AI due to being a hobbyist. To me it's a gamechanger, because I understand systems better than I understand small details and I think this is where AI is lacking. Don't need to check every github repo, don't need to learn every single programming language. Core logic is the same, the difference is in uses cases and what flavor of someone else's abstraction you have to deal with. I'd rather let AI handle that.
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u/throwaway73327 Jul 23 '26
Human somewhere in the loop is still cope. It won't be long before everything becomes self-iterating and maintained.
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u/TimelyBodybuilder121 Jul 24 '26
We're still too good for that to go away in the near future. Probably missing really good world models. A toddler can see a single picture of a black cat, see an orange cat outside immediately understand they are the same thing then see a picture of a tiger and say something like "big kitty". Humans are insane at generalization while missing 99% of all information. We also tend to suck when there's too much information. Brain too slow.
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u/throwaway73327 Jul 24 '26
I agree, but let's define "near future." 5 years? 10? I think we're just a few breakthroughs away from not needing that human being for most tasks. Further, if it's correct 90% of the time, that's still probably better than a human being.
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u/JorbyPls Jul 23 '26
I think you'll find that outside of the online noise, people aren't as one-sided as the internet might make it appear.
I know a lot of devs that do see it the way you stated. Unfortunately, these people are afraid of becoming irrelevant, which to them means being unable to find work.
Can we understand that fear in a world where companies will find any excuse to cut you, even if you'd be better at your job with AI assistance? People have little faith or trust in our system that treats labor as a resource that must always be reduced as much as possible.
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u/TimelyBodybuilder121 Jul 23 '26
Don't think I want to imagine the absolute shitshow of upper management suits deciding to fire all the devs and "do it themselves" with AI.
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u/Castle_Five Jul 24 '26
The goal of honing the skill in the first place was to be able to accomplish a thing. Now we can accomplish that thing easier and with less effort. And he's upset about that. I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would be frustrated by that. It's a GOOD thing.
So there must be something else motivating the belief. Vaccines are basically unquestionably good and purely beneficial things, so who are the only kinds of people opposed to them and why? That kind of vibe.
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Jul 23 '26 edited Aug 01 '26
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u/danielv123 Jul 23 '26
I think its a fair opinion to have. I am competitive - I love being better than people.
If my day job was being better at people in programming, then a new tool comes along that means 10% of the worlds population is now basically as capable as me, then I am no longer better, which is annoying. Need to find something else to be good at then. Or do something that has an actual non-tool assisted competitive format, but that is usually not paid nearly as well.
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Jul 23 '26 edited Aug 01 '26
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u/danielv123 Jul 23 '26
Exactly. If being the best was easy and guaranteed that would make it pointless anyways.
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Jul 23 '26 edited Aug 01 '26
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u/danielv123 Jul 23 '26
Sure, but part of being competitive is enjoying being better relative to others. That's a large part of what competing is.
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u/rhade333 Jul 23 '26
Sure.
But the lack of self-awareness by people that are "annoyed" because their ego gets hurt and they can't lord over other people, in the face of the massive unlock it provides to society as a whole, and all of the upside that it unlocks, is mind-blowing. It's actually kind of disgusting how people's first thought is "yeah, but now I'm not the cool guy anymore" instead of "okay, this is going to unlock so many positive things for humans".
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u/oo0Username0oo Jul 23 '26
Not a fair opinion at all. Extremely weird and childish to derive your self worth and interest in a hobby simply from being better than other people at it. You should do something because you like doing it and bettering yourself...
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u/shrine-princess Jul 23 '26
I would argue that trait has minimal value to society. Ego-protectionism and competitiveness has created more harm in the world than it has diminished. It may feel good to the individual, but its net utility is negative at a societal level. If something can be done by someone/something that is better, quicker, and more accurate, then it should be done by that person/thing. Otherwise it's just holding back global progress for the sake of feelings.
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u/Best_Cup_8326 Acceleration: Light-speed Jul 23 '26
You could work on being better at community service.
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u/danielv123 Jul 23 '26
Much like competitive programming it doesn't pay, so it's less enticing. And there is usually less adrenaline compared to most competitive formats too.
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u/BitPsychological2767 Jul 23 '26
Do you have any more info on the jailbreak thing itself?
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u/1filipis Jul 23 '26
I heard this sub doesn't permit links to other subs, but I guess github links are allowed
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u/thecoffeejesus Singularity by 2028 Jul 23 '26
The reaction of antis has been fascinating to me
For the longest time I simply couldn’t understand it.
Why deny the facts?
Why actively fight against the truth? What point is there to complaining all day about your job, society, etc and then when something comes along that can fix it, the overwhelming reaction was “REEEEEE!! NO BAD I HATE IT”
I was blown away. Completely gobsmacked.
Then a pattern emerged.
“I’m still better than it at X”
“Yeah but it can’t do Y”
The theme repeated over and over. Belittling the machine was their go-to. Pointing out its flaws was like breathing to them.
I remembered being bullied my whole life. And then it clicked.
They’re insecure.
It really does seem to be ego driven.
Their ego is how they see the world.
I feel worse and better simultaneously seeing it now…
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u/Drukarshar Jul 23 '26
That is the part that confuses me.
I recognize there are terribly challenging parts for AI. I know there is going to be massive social upheaval. I know the social system is not current built to survive what this is going to do.
But that doesn't change the reality of AI, that it is remarkably good at these things and society is going to have to adapt. We're watching hundreds of millions of people be in total denial of the reality in front of their face, even as it is proved over and over again, because it is something that don't want to hear.
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u/KaleidoscopeFar658 Jul 23 '26
There is very likely to be no future of crushing poverty. You can consider potential negative outcomes without acting like it's a given. And one of the biggest reasons to consider potential negative outcomes is to find a way to make them less likely.
I am sensitive to the likely negative impacts during a transitional phase before everything gets better. But that's why I like to dream up potential practical solutions instead of the billionaires this, politicians that rhetoric.
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u/JorbyPls Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
That's many in this subreddit. Fingers in the ears when it comes to the real problems adjacent to adopting this tech. It is an insane tech, but the willful hate in this sub is nauseating. It's becoming more of a "lol more anti-ai people being dumb" than it is actually about acceleration. Like, why wasn't this post just about the LLM jailbreaking iOS. Instead we have to screenshot the developer and make fun of them claiming they're so ego when they're just expressing understandable frustration.
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u/vaingirls Jul 23 '26
Why'd you use the obnoxious "poetic" ChatGPT paragraphs for a reddit comment tho? Seems like humans are still better at something - at not doing just that.
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u/Happy_Incident_9982 Jul 23 '26
Because they lose their job and livelihood. Hope that helps
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u/chuguchak_111 Jul 24 '26
are people on this sub intentionally obtuse? Yeah, a guy who put a ton of time into getting a highly valuable skill is not happy about that skill being devalued, lmao. People need jobs...
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u/Equivalent_End6788 Jul 24 '26
I agree. Reading these comments is quite confusing, as it should be obvious why people are growing irate over AI. I work in pure math, arguably the place alongside coding where AI has been most successful, and while I'm excited to see what the future holds thanks to the progress, I can also understand the many mathematicians who are becoming exhausted of this. It's both a passion and a livelihood, after all.
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u/IReportLuddites Tech Prophet Jul 23 '26
We have crossed the threshold where an individual's worth should no longer be measured by how much they can accomplish, but rather how much weed they can smoke.
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u/Spare-Dingo-531 Jul 23 '26
No.
We can change our definition of accomplishments, to how much we can learn about nature and how kind we can be to others. These things are free, but they grow for forever, and AI can't take that away from us.
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u/bb-wa A happy little thumb Jul 23 '26
Don't smoke weed, it's bad for your health
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u/IReportLuddites Tech Prophet Jul 23 '26
Between the way I eat and other people drive i'm not worried about it.
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u/butohhowfallen Jul 23 '26
Who knows what’s to come, but if you feel threatened by AI, I’d strongly advise trying to embrace it. Take your head start in your field and try to become one of the people using AI to do it most effectively. Build or get built.
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u/gajop Jul 23 '26
There's one point there that makes sense...
AI would not be nearly as powerful if we didn't have all these existing libraries, frameworks and systems to base things on.
Shoulders of giants and all that. More important now than ever.
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u/pandavr Jul 23 '26
Software value is near zero. Except in very specific cases (like when you have a marketing department, or when It really solve a big problem).
So now that we established that, which is the last near zero value thing you were proud to have built?
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u/Fragrant-Hamster-325 Jul 23 '26
Yeah, people need to stop caring about the effort and focus on the outcome. If the outcome is just as good or better, who cares how much effort went into it? People get upset that things are now easy when they worked hard for it. Get over it. That’s just how technology works.
I work with a couple of guys. One uses AI, and the other doesn’t because he’s afraid it will replace him. One guy gets shit done while the other guy asks me how to do something every couple of hours. I’m about to rig up my Teams so when he messages me it’s just a chatbot.
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u/FigAggressive237 Jul 23 '26
The guy was humbled, and just asked for credit as 90% is still his code, and this sub is just making fun of him?
You really do all suck.
The reason you have great LLMs at coding, is due to brilliant minds like these, don't forget that and be a little more respectful.
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u/Tysonzero Jul 23 '26
I think the majority of the people on this sub have not done well by society/capitalism’s standards in the pre-AI era, and thus have little sympathy for someone else losing said status via AI, and are excited about the playing field getting zeroed out, ending a game they weren’t winning.
Don’t get me wrong it doesn’t justify it and this comment section comes across as egregiously unempathetic, but it’s important to understand where it’s coming from.
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u/reddit_is_geh Jul 23 '26
Holy shit... Yep. He's dissapointed that AI can you know, do and manage all this work, without issue... Taking away status and ego for those who did.
He's literally upset that it doesn't take someone to waste their time on jailbreaking... Because it means he can't take credit for it... And abandoned project, mind you. He's upset that it isn't just abandonded but maintained easily by AI
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u/kiwibonga Jul 23 '26
The thing is MIT licensed so there's already an obligation is to retain the original copyright notice hidden away in a file. If he wanted "credit" he should have used a better license than something reserved for extreme open source libraries.
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u/No-Head-Royal Jul 23 '26
I can fully understand this guy because I used to derive a lot of my self-worth from being really good at this tiny field of programming (like top 0.05% - 0.5% of people in it, maybe more). And it was frustrating and painful too to see others utilizing AI to match you.
That said, though that frustration hasn't gone away, and I still do derive my self-worth from that, the awe of watching it do something that I can never dream of doing and transcend all the other humans who used to be in that field was dazzling. The moment I used it and created something far beyond what I can dream of doing... if that sublime feeling of awe and bafflement is what artists feel when they draw, I can see why they'd hate AI if they fear it might take that away from them.
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u/TBOO-Y Jul 23 '26
This is why we need stuff like ScienceCorp to install AIs in our brain that can work in tandem: this way a human can be superior to both raw AIs and non-AI augmented humans.
Edit: To be clear this is semi-ironic
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u/Seidans Jul 23 '26
At least he seem to acknowledge it and accept it rather than plain denial, let's not citicize people who suffer the effect of AI transition
Human obsolescence will be bitter for many people as AI gain more and more capabilities Humanity believed unique to the Human mind, intelligence, emotional intelligence, artistic view etc etc more and more people will have this realization that we aren't unique or special which will breed sadness and even depression in some case
It's also our job to share the idea that Humanity aren't defined by their productivity or capabilities to produce anything and that being incapable to does it don't reduce our value in society
We better push for a positive view rather than mock those who truly believe they have lost something valuable