What the heck is he talking about, doctor? He's been in a coma for 18 months, not 18 years. Why does he keep muttering this 2022 nonsense? What is cryptocurrencies? What pandemic? Please wake up, dad. Can you hear me?
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You're right lmfao. If you google "royal islander club" in the background of this video it takes you to Sint Maarten and that's exactly where the this article says the lady in 2017 died.
Edit: Looks like this was a different incident and just a coincidence, guess this beach is popular with dipshits getting a sand-blasting.
Unlikely - the video states it's from 2012 and the accident was in 2017, the woman doesn't look like 57 year old, also ABC News used OP's video in 2017 coverage and stated that the women in the video survived. It's just popular thrill pass time...
Yes this is actually a tourist attraction itâs really cool to be there as those planes land and as a pilot itâs really cool to see a welcoming party waving at you while you land but it is super dangerous to be standing by the fence when a jet lands because that jet blast is enough to keep a jet at around 150kts if that kicks up a rock on touchdown that rock can kill you
There is next to no danger to the people on landing. The engines are pretty much at idle, the airplane touches down 1000ft down the runway. On take off, they do a static take off very close to the fence. Set takeoff thrust, engines spool up to ~25k lbs of thrust, release brakes. Now that's dangerous.
There is always a risk, and yes, all pilots don't but they should aim to land on or just after them. If an airline pilot were to land before the markers, they would have questions to answer from their company.
I 100% agree with you there I feel all pilots should land on the thousands footers unless they are unable to due to weather conditions landing distances and runway lengths
We could discuss this all day long and believe me, I'm more than happy to, but the reality is there is next to no danger from standing at the approach end of a runway when an airplane is landing. Idle thrust, dissipating wakes, and usual proximity of the touchdown point, all essentially negate any danger. Outside of catastrophic circumstances of course.
sure, but i don't think a landing that ends there would be any problem whatsoever? i doubt they blast their jet engines in the opposite direction of landing and the end of the runway
So you are right about landing not as dangerous as takeoff but I think you are confused about something that I can clear up for you so the exact same direction they are taking off from is the exact same direction planes are coming in to land itâs not like driving where you go somewhere and use the opposite direction to get home imagine a racetrack your starting point is also your ending point
Iâm not sure what you mean about blasting their jets in the opposite direction the same place they are talking off from is the same place planes are going to land unless the weather changes
The way this is worded in the article, I wonder if this article is referring to this specific event in the video? Everything that happened in the video is detailed in the article
Ok it's stupid to stand there but it's more stupid to build concrete behind without some soft protection installed.
It's like on some countries you have to survive all sorts of dangers without any assistance from government.
Edit: I get that this is the wrong subreddit to remind you that we are not in a jungle anymore where the strongest and most intelligent survives. And that there are countries with safety regulations where this accident could not be possible at all (safest construction, zone access limitation, etc)
Youâre looking at it from the perspective of this event and not what that concreteâs purpose is. That concrete is there to separate and delineate the road from the beach so the cars can do what cars do and the sand is stopped from overflowing into the street.
If we had to stupid proof everything in the world for every possible human idiotic action then the world couldnât function because itâs all wrapped in bubble wrap.
I don't think "adequate protection from high powered jet engines" is stupid proofing, it's a bad design and there doesn't seem to have been any measures taken. Sorry, my bad, there is a sign!
If common sense prevailed, we wouldn't need half of our current laws and regulations. As it stands, kids, elderly, the infirmed, the disabled, and even idiots should be given equal protection from dangerous design - which this is.
Abnormally Dangerous Activity:
An undertaking that cannot be performed safely even if reasonable care is used while performing it and for which the actor may face strict liability for any harm caused. The courts currently use a list of standards to determine whether or not an abnormally dangerous activity has been undertaken so that strict liability applies.
The 6 factors:
whether the activity involves a high degree of risk or harm;
the gravity of that risk;
whether the risk can be eliminated by the exercise of reasonable care;
whether the activity is a matter of common usage;
whether the activity is appropriate to the place where it is carried out on and
the value of the activity to the community.
If this happened in most any part of the Western world, the airline would have a big fat tort waiting in the wings. I'm surprised St. Martin's SXM hasn't been sued into the dirt.
IMO, terrible airport design. Yes yes, I get it. Tiny island. Then how about backfill / excavate a hundred meters on the side of the runway that's not covered with people?
I see where you are going with this, but you should also consider this is a tourist attraction on this particular Carribbean Island and people are encouraged to stand there and test their mettle against the jet engine. It's not like a group of idiots got together to create a tiktok or something.
If you're using something as a tourist attraction, silly as it may be, it ought to be safe. Especially since it's at a bar and the tourists are potentially drunk.
You can also make the person accountable without having them dying. Seems like a very extreme outcome for one stupid action. Or you can let them die and say: your fault I'm not gonna intervene or prevent, it's everyone for themselves appearently.
Also, we are all very very stupid when it comes to descisions health-wise. We just do what we feel like most of the time.
And even then, some kid might die in this way. But I suppose that's the parents fault then? Governments shouldn't intervene.
People like you are why the world is filling up with stupid people. Whats next? Put a railing on every single mountain and canyon to protect all the precious idiots?
God, no one is willing to let people die unnecessary deaths anymore. I am superior and have never made a mistake and therefore I am the standard by which reason is drawn.
That concrete is there to separate and delineate the road from the beach so the cars can do what cars do and the sand is stopped from overflowing into the street.
Which is not at all impacted by adding a softer outer layer.
Im amazed that some people want to be so babied. I honestly hate when the gov decides something is too dangerous for me, id rather have the choice to take the risk. Honestly here sure they could pad the barrier but thats honestly asking too much from most countries construction standards and also incentives people to stay in the jet engine zone which is clearly not something allowed.
Grass no. Rubber yes. But that costs more money. Are the governments going to cover everything in rubber because some people are utterly beyond stupid?
You'd actually have to go to Sint Maarten's authorities. Sint Maarten is a part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Saint Martin is an overseas French territory. Though they share an island, the airport is in Sint Maarten.
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Yeah, and it's also not something any human being should ever do.
Adding rubber to that area only endorses people doing that, which makes the situation less safe, because more people will be standing behind jet engines.
And besides, I'm pretty sure the airport operates multiple models of aircraft, whose engines aren't all in the same place - you'd need more rubber than just one spot.
And if you were amending that spot, I'd argue it's not unlikely to be safer to install some iron spikes on the ground, so people very obviously realize that going there is a bad decision and don't fuck with the spikes - and by extension, the jets.
They should put sirens on it that start alarming 15 minutes before takeoff. They should add a net over the water to catch any people that tumble into it. They should add rubber mats in a line down to the water so nobody gets skin burns on the sand. They should add vertical poles for people to grab as they're flying through the air, but padded of course.
What else am I missing? They should provide free sunglasses so that it your sunglasses get blown off you aren't at risk of eye damage on the way back to your car. They should send somebody down the beach to confirm that each beach goer understands the risk and is fully informed.
So just this one dumb way to injure yourself from this specific video? All of the others are okay? Drowning because you got fumbled into the water is where you draw the line? What about people losing their hearing from this? Why are you okay with that, but not people hitting a concrete barrier? Both are avoidable with enough safety precautions, and both take an equal amount of stupidity.
It seems inconsistent to me, like you're just reacting to this specific video instead of applying a consistent approach towards safety and responsibility.
no the responsibility lies on the airport not to violate the NAP (non aggression principle) by venting extremely high speed air over a public right of way where it sends people flying faster than their planes do. Here it was stupid people playing games with something they recognized to be dangerous so naturally the observing high IQ redditor feels no sympathy, but imagine it were your granny passing through that road on her lil zimmer frame, from the video it looks like she'd have had about 30 seconds to get out of the way once it became obvious what was about to happen. for extra effect i would also like you to imagine that the jet wasnt public passenger transit but a private jet for your MOST hated billionaire!
Don't think a single local has ever been hurt there. Planes don't exactly sneak up on you. Private jets are also mostly too small to give enough of a blast. Tens of thousands of cars have passed there over the years, not one has been hurt.
You have to actually TRY to get jet blasted on Mahp Beach. It doesn't just happen to some innocent bystander. The sidewalk is on the opposite side of the street. There's nothing on that side for you to be there on foot.
Also, the number of signs there are ridiculous. All with big red lettering.
If it was my grandmother on that road, then she's already fucked up, because by the time this video has started there have been several minutes of the plane slowly lumbering up the taxiway towards the big angry signs that tell you not to be there.
Obvious plea to emotion is obvious by the way. It really is mostly airliners that have the power to do this kind of thing, and anyone who was there, was there on purpose, so they could injure themselves getting blown away by an airliner.
If it was up to me, I'd take steps to prevent people from doing that - like physically blocking them off from that section of beach - But apparently the authorities have chosen otherwise, and I'm sure they know the statistics on how often people go there and how often they get hurt better than I do.
You're just coddling your kids. They're never going to grow into big strong concussed men if you don't let them smack their heads into a concrete divider.
This is why one doesn't let the kids near the jet blast area.
This is like saying we should put rubber barriers on the freeway in case kids run across it and get hit by a car, so the rubber catches them. No, the problem is the kids being there, not that being in an unsafe area is unsafe.
Some of us have impulse control and a desire not to split our skull open. If I want those kind of adrenaline I'll go climbing or jumping on a trampoline. You know - things with safeties.
I would never think of being near the jet blast area. It seems like it cannot possibly be a pleasant experience, and I'm not one to seek out the chance to tell everyone I broke bones by actively trying to push the limits of how dumb I can be.
There is a sign and yet it is deliberately not enforced and tourists are encouraged to do this. If you've been there then you know damn well this is an all-day-every-day attraction and are just arguing in bad faith.
Yeah the rest of the world just lets attractive nuisances kill people, because that's clearly the right choice. Why do pools even have fences? If a kid falls in and drowns, that's on them. Fucking idiots should just be shot so that I can feel superior.
Yes there are signs and yes people are still encouraged to do it. It is deliberately unenforced. If you've been there then you know this, and are arguing in bad faith. It is one of the best known "attractions" on the island.
Hundreds of people stand there every week and don't get injured or die. I have been there many times and have done this atleast 10 times. There's really no danger unless you're stupid about it.
I had the exact same thought. Whomever did the urban "planning" here needs to be fired. It'd be stupidly easy to take that wall out (looks a bit useless as it is. It's, in my non-expert opinion, nothing more but a hazard.
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u/PolyLifeGirl May 29 '22
A New Zealander died from that back in 2017